FIRST GROW! Soil and a 400w mh/hps. PRAY FOR GIRLS!!!

matthebrute · Dec 1, 2011

loyaltytoafault said:
update:

Shit shit shit. I was in denial at first, but I've accepted that my babies have a serious problem. The strange yellowing and a little browning on the tips of a couple leaves. I don't know what it is. Seems to be mostly exclusive to the blueberries. Is it nute burn? I don't think its a nitrogen deficiency. I haven't added any nutes to the ffof...ugh. please help! I'll research on my own, but your opions count...well...most of yours do . Pictures. Look really close on the 1st and 3rd pics. That's the blueberry showing the symptoms most. And of course the retarded blueberry #4.
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man i want to offer advice but i am not good with diagnostics, i would say nute burn you probs added too much water its really really easy to do. how are the roots? almost time for a new container soon no? me personally i would leave em alone, no water nothing but you really need to get some other opinions.

Chummerbum · Dec 1, 2011

bro i gotta say to me it looks like nutrient lockout due to ph. so what that means is the ph is more than likely to low and even though the nutes are in the soil the plants can't access them. your plants seem to be exhibiting deficiencies of N P and K which at this stage i know are in the soil. that's why i say lockout. here are pics from my first grow in ffof(they are of the same plant). this is what the lockout did to my plant. she was two weeks into flowering and im shocked they got that far

im embarrassed to post my failures but i hope it helps

matthebrute · Dec 2, 2011

Chummerbum said:
bro i gotta say to me it looks like nutrient lockout due to ph. so what that means is the ph is more than likely to low and even though the nutes are in the soil the plants can't access them. your plants seem to be exhibiting deficiencies of N P and K which at this stage i know are in the soil. that's why i say lockout. here are pics from my first grow in ffof(they are of the same plant). this is what the lockout did to my plant. she was two weeks into flowering and im shocked they got that far

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im embarrassed to post my failures but i hope it helps

nutrient lockout can be caused by PH being either too hig or too low, depending on the PH level depends on what it locks out. usually PH lockout locks out micro nutrients (im pretty sure at least) unless it is waaaaay off balance. either way i doubt it is locking out all 3 main elements. unless his PH is really really far off. its a soil grow and generally PH is not a issue but if you want to be safe check your water PH adjust if needed and flush em out.
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matthebrute · Dec 2, 2011

flushing the soil will release nutrients and if that is nute burn you will just make it worse. my advice is do your research well before you do anything. i would just leave em alone especially if you have been watering them well, you probs did same thing i did and gave too much water and released too many nutes and burned the lil buggers, no water untill they are completly dry and then give them small amounts even if you have to water 2 times a day, and by small amounts i mean a couple tablespoons to a time.

loyaltytoafault · Dec 2, 2011

matthebrute said:
man i want to offer advice but i am not good with diagnostics, i would say nute burn you probs added too much water its really really easy to do. how are the roots? almost time for a new container soon no? me personally i would leave em alone, no water nothing but you really need to get some other opinions.

Thanks as always brute! I get the funny feeling that you and I helping each other is like the blind leading the blind! Haha, and I'm strangely comfortable with that

. Just checked the bottom of my cups and saw a couple roots starting to try to peek out the bottom, so I think a transplant to their 4 gallon final home will be tonight or tomorrow! Does that sound about right?!

loyaltytoafault · Dec 2, 2011

Chummerbum said:
bro i gotta say to me it looks like nutrient lockout due to ph. so what that means is the ph is more than likely to low and even though the nutes are in the soil the plants can't access them. your plants seem to be exhibiting deficiencies of N P and K which at this stage i know are in the soil. that's why i say lockout. here are pics from my first grow in ffof(they are of the same plant). this is what the lockout did to my plant. she was two weeks into flowering and im shocked they got that far

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im embarrassed to post my failures but i hope it helps

Thanks chum!! I don't think its a lockout. Your right my ffof should have plenty of nutes to feed my girls. My PH showed ok levels, however, I was using cheap PH strips that were hard to read. I think tonight or tomorrow ill grab a meter to get a more accurate reading. My leaves don't seem to be canoeing or clawing like your pictures. Hopefully it stays that way! Btw, takes a big man to post those pics. I really do appreciate it

loyaltytoafault · Dec 2, 2011

matthebrute said:
flushing the soil will release nutrients and if that is nute burn you will just make it worse. my advice is do your research well before you do anything. i would just leave em alone especially if you have been watering them well, you probs did same thing i did and gave too much water and released too many nutes and burned the lil buggers, no water untill they are completly dry and then give them small amounts even if you have to water 2 times a day, and by small amounts i mean a couple tablespoons to a time.

I for sure was over watering them at first and I've since been very stingy with water. The new growth is looking green and pretty. But that first set of leaves get worse slowly. These blueberries have been trouble from the start!

Chummerbum · Dec 2, 2011

matthebrute said:
nutrient lockout can be caused by PH being either too hig or too low, depending on the PH level depends on what it locks out. usually PH lockout locks out micro nutrients (im pretty sure at least) unless it is waaaaay off balance. either way i doubt it is locking out all 3 main elements. unless his PH is really really far off. its a soil grow and generally PH is not a issue but if you want to be safe check your water PH adjust if needed and flush em out.
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your table there actually helps prove my point that if the soil was below 5.8 then all the major nutes would be locked out. but in any case if the ph is less then 6.5 you start to see deficiencies

loyaltytoafault · Dec 2, 2011

Chummerbum said:
your table there actually helps prove my point that if the soil was below 5.8 then all the major nutes would be locked out. but in any case if the ph is less then 6.5 you start to see deficiencies

PH reads between 6.1-6.8 on test strips. meter tonight for better reading. I haven't ruled out your hypothesis by any means. What would you recommend for raising/lowering ph, if need be. Figure ill grab it while I'm at the hydro shop, if I don't need it now, I may down the road.

jr22hockey · Dec 2, 2011

My advice would be to give her a transplant in to some of that ffof.

loyaltytoafault · Dec 2, 2011

jr22hockey said:
My advice would be to give her a transplant in to some of that ffof.

Transplanting should be done tonight! Thanks for stopping by bro! Here is +rep for this being your 420th post!

Chummerbum · Dec 2, 2011

loyaltytoafault said:
PH reads between 6.1-6.8 on test strips. meter tonight for better reading. I haven't ruled out your hypothesis by any means. What would you recommend for raising/lowering ph, if need be. Figure ill grab it while I'm at the hydro shop, if I don't need it now, I may down the road.

its not super fast acting but garden lime or dolomite lime will bring it up you can either add 2-4 tbsp per plant or add a few cups of it to your bag. it will also provide calcium and magnesium

matthebrute · Dec 2, 2011

loyaltytoafault said:
Thanks as always brute! I get the funny feeling that you and I helping each other is like the blind leading the blind! Haha, and I'm strangely comfortable with that . Just checked the bottom of my cups and saw a couple roots starting to try to peek out the bottom, so I think a transplant to their 4 gallon final home will be tonight or tomorrow! Does that sound about right?!

yep sounds good, once you transplant you want to water them in BUT WATER SPARINGLY, this is how i burnt my plants, i watered them in way too much water and burnt them on transplant.

matthebrute · Dec 2, 2011

as far as PH goes. get your meter and test it if your water PH is fine leave it at that. like i said above be carefull watering in when you transplant. maybe 1 solo cup of water for each plant should be anough to settle everything and shouldnt burn em

loyaltytoafault · Dec 2, 2011

Chummerbum said:
its not super fast acting but garden lime or dolomite lime will bring it up you can either add 2-4 tbsp per plant or add a few cups of it to your bag. it will also provide calcium and magnesium

You were most Def. Right on this one! They were being locked out for sure! I bought a soil PH meter and consistently got a reading of 5.8!!!!yikes!! What worse is I can't make it to hydro shop before they close for some lime. Tomorrow morning right when they open ill be there. Then ill mix up the lime in their final pots for the transplant tomorrow! Will they be able to bounce back from this once its corrected tomorrow? Appreciate all your help buddy! +rep when it let's me again!

loyaltytoafault · Dec 2, 2011

matthebrute said:
yep sounds good, once you transplant you want to water them in BUT WATER SPARINGLY, this is how i burnt my plants, i watered them in way too much water and burnt them on transplant.

Good advice!!

Chummerbum · Dec 3, 2011

loyaltytoafault said:
You were most Def. Right on this one! They were being locked out for sure! I bought a soil PH meter and consistently got a reading of 5.8!!!!yikes!! What worse is I can't make it to hydro shop before they close for some lime. Tomorrow morning right when they open ill be there. Then ill mix up the lime in their final pots for the transplant tomorrow! Will they be able to bounce back from this once its corrected tomorrow? Appreciate all your help buddy! +rep when it let's me again!

right on bro i thought that was it. with the lime it might be like two weeks for the ph to start to change. like i said not very fast acting but once it starts going up all of the new growth should be normal. the damaged leaves now won't recover. so i would say do like 3 tablespoons per plant, you dont want to over do it cause that shit will turn clay-ish and actually make it hard for the plants to take in water. good luck bro!

matthebrute · Dec 3, 2011

Chummerbum said:
right on bro i thought that was it. with the lime it might be like two weeks for the ph to start to change. like i said not very fast acting but once it starts going up all of the new growth should be normal. the damaged leaves now won't recover. so i would say do like 3 tablespoons per plant, you dont want to over do it cause that shit will turn clay-ish and actually make it hard for the plants to take in water. good luck bro!

do you just sprinkle it on top or mix with water and water in?

Chummerbum · Dec 3, 2011

matthebrute said:
do you just sprinkle it on top or mix with water and water in?

well you can mix it into the water but i would pre-mix it into the soil that the plants are going to be transplanted in

growmo23 · Dec 3, 2011

What's the status on the girls, Loyal?

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