First grow. What do you think from this leaves ? She will die ?

Fandang0

Fandang0

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First grow, Moby Dick XXL Auto from Dinafem. 31 days, 3 gallon pot start pre-flowering 1 week ago. I break the stem trying to LST, bend it with tape and it seems to be recovered but I've notice that she starts to drop since Sunday. I watered her that day with 500ml, 6.6pH and 0.910ppm. Temps are around 22-26 °C and between 44%-55% RH.

This is how her looks. Pretty bad honestly.plant look.jpg

This is some closer view of the leaves.leaves1.jpg leaves2.jpg leaves3.jpg

Is she going to die ? What i'm doing wrong, probably lot of things that's why I'm posting here.
Thank you in advance.
 
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GBAUTO

GBAUTO

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I'd try a good drench with just water next time she's thirsty. That will knock down your runoff and then you can adjust based on how she responds.
 
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Zero_OS

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I would just water...its the older leaves that look burned, they could have been burned a while back and are just starting to show the dead areas now. The newest growth seems OK with the leaves below the top showing some tip burn. I've measured runoff from FFOF out of the bag and my batch was over 1200 ppm, but those PPMs were not from added salt based ferts. That same bag of FFOF had a pH of 5.6 measured using a slurry test.
 
*BUDS

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Try a better medium for indoor growing like coco made for indoor growing or other hydro medium and use hydro nutes.
That stuff you have there looks shit.
 
Fandang0

Fandang0

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min0r said:
ph lockout? not sure why nobody has suggested this may be the issue yet.
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Well, last time I watered her, the ph was 5.9 and I find out that my phimeter was decalibrated -0.2 points.

I calibrated it again. It seems like ph lockout in all of them, take a look. Another thing that I've notice is that the soil NEVER dry. Wednesday was the last time I watered all of them with 1lt.

the medium is soil. Dynamics 3 for being more precise.

 

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min0r

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Fandang0 said:
Well, last time I watered her, the ph was 5.9 and I find out that my phimeter was decalibrated -0.2 points.

I calibrated it again. It seems like ph lockout in all of them, take a look. Another thing that I've notice is that the soil NEVER dry. Wednesday was the last time I watered all of them with 1lt.

the medium is soil. Dynamics 3 for being more precise.

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do you wait for the soil to be COMPLETELY dry to where the plants are drooping because of it before you water? you need to get your ph up to 6.5. your plants will die if you don't.
take a soil slurry of every plant. come back with your results. they aren't hard to do, there's some simple tutorials on youtube on how to do it.
you also NEED to get on a good watering schedule. your plants are not happy with the way you're doing it, for some reason.
let the soil get completely bone dry. see how only your leaves are drooping, and not the stem to the leaves? that's what happens when it's over watered. when it's underwatered the stem will droop with the leaf. that's when you should water it. for 5 gal pots i water with 2-3 gals of ph'd water, soaking the pot and letting it get completely bone dry after. they will droop because of "overwatering"(you aren't overwatering by doing this, you're only gonna make the roots stretch for the moisture as the soil dries out) once your plants get used to the pattern, they won't droop, and they'll fucking LOVE it.
just like how you make your plant stretch for light, you want your roots to stretch for moisture.
 
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min0r said:
do you wait for the soil to be COMPLETELY dry to where the plants are drooping because of it before you water? you need to get your ph up to 6.5. your plants will die if you don't.
take a soil slurry of every plant. come back with your results. they aren't hard to do, there's some simple tutorials on youtube on how to do it.
you also NEED to get on a good watering schedule. your plants are not happy with the way you're doing it, for some reason.
let the soil get completely bone dry. see how only your leaves are drooping, and not the stem to the leaves? that's what happens when it's over watered. when it's underwatered the stem will droop with the leaf. that's when you should water it. for 5 gal pots i water with 2-3 gals of ph'd water, soaking the pot and letting it get completely bone dry after. they will droop because of "overwatering"(you aren't overwatering by doing this, you're only gonna make the roots stretch for the moisture as the soil dries out) once your plants get used to the pattern, they won't droop, and they'll fucking LOVE it.
just like how you make your plant stretch for light, you want your roots to stretch for moisture.
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Thank you for that response ! Next time I watering I will let the soil dry, the thing is that it's almost impossible... I dont know why but an inch or two it still moist always.

I've made the measurements that you encourage me to do, which I really appreciate because I'm learning a lot.
The results are the following:
First plant (The most "sick"): -pH: 5.6 EC: 1358 µS/cm
Second plant: -pH: 6.2 EC: 500-570 µS/cm
Third plant: -pH: 5.4 EC: 1252 µS/cm

What's your diagnosis? I'm that bad ?
They look really bad, at least the third one is dying soon, or it seems.
 

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Kipn

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i would think the pots are too big for them plans soil holding too much water what is killing the ph and making the plant look over watered
the old leaves will never look good just look at the new growth
if you had ph lockout ill take1/2 weeks to recover and wont grow much in that time
im guessing you just reported them and then this happened
umm someone else best answer this but don't think you ph your water in soil if its 100% organic probably i am wrong i dont do organics
a good flush and several weeks you plants will continue to grow fine unless you keep doing something wrong like over feed with nute or water too heave every watering
you dont need to water so heave every watering just give good flush once every 2 weeks and only give small amount of water if your soil isnt drying
dont need to water s much in veg
 
min0r

min0r

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Fandang0 said:
Thank you for that response ! Next time I watering I will let the soil dry, the thing is that it's almost impossible... I dont know why but an inch or two it still moist always.

I've made the measurements that you encourage me to do, which I really appreciate because I'm learning a lot.
The results are the following:
First plant (The most "sick"): -pH: 5.6 EC: 1358 µS/cm
Second plant: -pH: 6.2 EC: 500-570 µS/cm
Third plant: -pH: 5.4 EC: 1252 µS/cm

What's your diagnosis? I'm that bad ?
They look really bad, at least the third one is dying soon, or it seems.
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okay.
i don't know anything about ec/ppm's so i'm not gonna comment on that, but i will tell you they do look pretty high.
if it's an inch or two moist let it dry out. patience.
buy gypsum. you can get some online on amazon, if you need i can send you a link.
buy a lime.
shave the skin of the lime, and sprinkle it on top of the soil along with the gypsum. use more lime on the third, and first plant, less on the second.
if you have any questions on what the products i'm telling you about does, feel free to pm me.
 
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Blitz35

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Fandang0 said:
Thanks ! you suggest that I should flush ? Or just watering with pure water ? Today I watered with 1.5L of pure water and runoff is 1192 and 5.5pH, you think is high ?
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The issues could be different for the 3 plants. First off, what exact medium are you using, i googled 'dynamics 3' and it doesn't exist as a grow medium, on google anyways lol. Next, how can you possibly get run off in that big of a container after watering only 1.5L? Either you are watering too often, or the container is too big for the plant, and it's not properly drying out, or properly getting saturated when you do water. Lastly, the ph is off. If you are sure that those are accurate readings, then plant 1 and 3 are the worst, too high of an ec and too low of a ph for both. Plant 2 should be ok, and if you see, the leaves don't look bad from a color stand point, but the hanging of the leaves has to do with proper watering techniques. Keep your ph in the low 6's and for that size plant, an ec around 400-500 for now should be enough.
 
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