First hydro grow! DWC

Rossta

Active Member
This is my first SERIOUS attempt at growing. I've planted some bagseed in the past, but never actually did any research as to maintaining a healthy plant. I moved to a larger city this past year, and for the first time I went to a hydro store. I asked a few questions, and after seeing how reasonable it would cost for a 1-2 plant setup, I decided to give it a whirl.

I've so far sprouted two completely random bagseeds, one of which is in the DWC, and the other is in soil. I'm using a 150watt HPS light from HTG supply. I'm planning to use a dresser as the grow box, and luckily enough, I picked one off the curb tonight!

Currently my light/setup is just loose in my closet. I'd just use the closet, but I'd prefer to have something like a fake dresser to blend in if I had company over. The dresser I found is a little old/nasty, but I'll seal it up as best as I can.

Anyway, here's my starting pics, any comments, concerns, or advice would be great to hear! Thanks!IMG_5160.jpgIMG_5164.jpgIMG_5158.jpg260.jpg269.jpgIMG_5159.jpg
 

boodadood

Active Member
hey rossta...just a heads up on the dwc grow...get pH and TDS meters to watch your water quality...what are ventilation and odor control plans?
 

Rossta

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hey rossta...just a heads up on the dwc grow...get pH and TDS meters to watch your water quality...what are ventilation and odor control plans?
I'll get those meters asap! I started with distilled water, so hopefully the pH is ok for now.

As for ventilation and odor, I plan to use some computer fans, and make a carbon filter to use. Any ideas for an efficient ventilation setup for that dresser would be much appreciated!
 

Flip The Script

Active Member
a 27 dollar inline booster would be fine or if u can stretch it get a 4" in-line fan i dont think fitting it on the inside would be an option. maybe attatch it on theback i dont know if ur trying to be stealthy or not. a couple little fans in there i think you'll be fine.
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
If at all possible using the closet is 1,000 times better to grow in over that dresser,your going to have serious heat problems & no amount of computer fans are going to be able to control temps enough for a no problem grow.

Even with air cooled lights the light itself emits radient heat,this heat cant be extracted via air cooling the hood,it needs to be exhausted from the area,even a 4 inch duct booster fan might not be enough but for sure those computer fans wont cut the mustard,you should keep temps below 80 degrees at all times,between 70 to 78 is prime.

Space is going to be an issue as well,the plants will prefer more room to spread out & be more comfortable if you will,crowded plants are not as happy as plants with room to grow.

Now you have humidity concerns,your putting a dwc in an enclosed area,humidity levels are going to rise much more than what they would using the entire closet,plants feel exactly the same way you & I do about humidity,when its hot & humid we humans are miserable as fuck,we dont think as clear,dont do our jobs as well ect ect ect,mj plants are the same,they produce far less bud weight the more uncomfortable they are.

High humidity coupled with crowded plants also causes a dreaded condition known as powdery mildew, its bone white & will cover the entire plant surface,on top of all the no brainer issues associated with mildew/mold it can slow or stop all bud production,the white mildwe covers leaf surfaces & blocks the plants ability to absorb light,this stops photosynthsis,without that the plant cant process its own food,shoe horning a dwc, plus plants into a dresser is only going to seriuosly increase the risk of mold & mildew.

Water temps in the rez are another issue,as you have hopefully read or learned from the hydro shop water temps should be kept below 72 degrees,jamming all that stuff in a dresser surely isnt going to help keep the rez cool,no matter where you grow if you are not using some form of rez cooling system you need to cover the entire rez with white panda plastic,this will repel any radient heat & will block light from infiltrating the rez & causing alge to grow.

For your 1st time out you should be doing everything in your power to making sure every condition of the grow where you can control is set up so its best for the plants, with the least chance of issues that can cause failure.

Running a hydroponic grow in a dresser will at the very least double the chance of serious heat/humidity/mold & mildew problems,if not tripple.

Also you MUST have a ph meter,if you are using bottled water,or running reverse osmosis,or at the very least you know the ppm of your tap water you can grow successfuly without a ppm meter,just pick a fertilizer company who's products come with a very well thought out & self explainatory feed chart such as General Hydroponics 3 part system,if you follow the chart to the letter a ppm meter will serve no purpose until you learn more after a few more grows.

Also for a ph meter i strongly reccomend the Hanna Growcheck hand held unit,its a probe type meter with an easy to read LED screen,the probe is 12 inches long which helps in reading the ph,its also a SINGLE POINT CALABRATION UNIT which means it only uses one point of measure when recalibrating the unit,other growers will argue that dual point calibration units are more accurate but ive found that to be untrue & unfounded,i own several dual calibration units as well as the single point Growcheck unit & i find the Growcheck to be equally reliable & accurate.

Recalibration with dual point units requires the user to buy 2 seperate chemicals as in ph 4.0 & ph 7.0,the user then enters a set up menu & follows a series of prompts from the menu,then when the prompt tells the user he has to switch chemicals & repeat,a total pain in the ass plus the expense of constantly buying ph 4.0 & 7.0.

With the single point Growcheck you only buy one small bottle of 7.0 one time & never again, even if you run out,when you calibrate the Growcheck there is no programming menu,no pain in the ass prompts to follow either,you simply push the only button on the unit which is the ON button,then stick the probe into the 7.0 solution,if the reading is not exactly 7.0 there is a little knob on the unit you turn with your fingers,just turn the knob to the left or right until the meters LED shows 7.0 & your finished,the entire process takes about 30 seconds,with a dual point meter its 5 minutes or more.

Then if your a cheap ass like me you take your freshly calibrated meter & measure the ph of a new bottle of pure bottled water,write the ph value of the water on the bottle in permanent marker then store the water in a dark cool place,now when you need to recalibrate your meter you use the water as your control reference saving you money & time,you cant recalibrate any dual point meter in such a way,the Growcheck is the most user friendly meter on the market & something you need to grow hydroponics,if not the Growcheck you MUST have some kind of ph meter & cheap litmus paper tests ,or swimming pool test kits will not work.

Use the closet & you will have an easier time of it bud.
 

Rossta

Active Member
If at all possible using the closet is 1,000 times better to grow in over that dresser,your going to have serious heat problems & no amount of computer fans are going to be able to control temps enough for a no problem grow.

Even with air cooled lights the light itself emits radient heat,this heat cant be extracted via air cooling the hood,it needs to be exhausted from the area,even a 4 inch duct booster fan might not be enough but for sure those computer fans wont cut the mustard,you should keep temps below 80 degrees at all times,between 70 to 78 is prime.

Space is going to be an issue as well,the plants will prefer more room to spread out & be more comfortable if you will,crowded plants are not as happy as plants with room to grow.

Now you have humidity concerns,your putting a dwc in an enclosed area,humidity levels are going to rise much more than what they would using the entire closet,plants feel exactly the same way you & I do about humidity,when its hot & humid we humans are miserable as fuck,we dont think as clear,dont do our jobs as well ect ect ect,mj plants are the same,they produce far less bud weight the more uncomfortable they are.

High humidity coupled with crowded plants also causes a dreaded condition known as powdery mildew, its bone white & will cover the entire plant surface,on top of all the no brainer issues associated with mildew/mold it can slow or stop all bud production,the white mildwe covers leaf surfaces & blocks the plants ability to absorb light,this stops photosynthsis,without that the plant cant process its own food,shoe horning a dwc, plus plants into a dresser is only going to seriuosly increase the risk of mold & mildew.

Water temps in the rez are another issue,as you have hopefully read or learned from the hydro shop water temps should be kept below 72 degrees,jamming all that stuff in a dresser surely isnt going to help keep the rez cool,no matter where you grow if you are not using some form of rez cooling system you need to cover the entire rez with white panda plastic,this will repel any radient heat & will block light from infiltrating the rez & causing alge to grow.

For your 1st time out you should be doing everything in your power to making sure every condition of the grow where you can control is set up so its best for the plants, with the least chance of issues that can cause failure.

Running a hydroponic grow in a dresser will at the very least double the chance of serious heat/humidity/mold & mildew problems,if not tripple.

Also you MUST have a ph meter,if you are using bottled water,or running reverse osmosis,or at the very least you know the ppm of your tap water you can grow successfuly without a ppm meter,just pick a fertilizer company who's products come with a very well thought out & self explainatory feed chart such as General Hydroponics 3 part system,if you follow the chart to the letter a ppm meter will serve no purpose until you learn more after a few more grows.

Also for a ph meter i strongly reccomend the Hanna Growcheck hand held unit,its a probe type meter with an easy to read LED screen,the probe is 12 inches long which helps in reading the ph,its also a SINGLE POINT CALABRATION UNIT which means it only uses one point of measure when recalibrating the unit,other growers will argue that dual point calibration units are more accurate but ive found that to be untrue & unfounded,i own several dual calibration units as well as the single point Growcheck unit & i find the Growcheck to be equally reliable & accurate.

Recalibration with dual point units requires the user to buy 2 seperate chemicals as in ph 4.0 & ph 7.0,the user then enters a set up menu & follows a series of prompts from the menu,then when the prompt tells the user he has to switch chemicals & repeat,a total pain in the ass plus the expense of constantly buying ph 4.0 & 7.0.

With the single point Growcheck you only buy one small bottle of 7.0 one time & never again, even if you run out,when you calibrate the Growcheck there is no programming menu,no pain in the ass prompts to follow either,you simply push the only button on the unit which is the ON button,then stick the probe into the 7.0 solution,if the reading is not exactly 7.0 there is a little knob on the unit you turn with your fingers,just turn the knob to the left or right until the meters LED shows 7.0 & your finished,the entire process takes about 30 seconds,with a dual point meter its 5 minutes or more.

Then if your a cheap ass like me you take your freshly calibrated meter & measure the ph of a new bottle of pure bottled water,write the ph value of the water on the bottle in permanent marker then store the water in a dark cool place,now when you need to recalibrate your meter you use the water as your control reference saving you money & time,you cant recalibrate any dual point meter in such a way,the Growcheck is the most user friendly meter on the market & something you need to grow hydroponics,if not the Growcheck you MUST have some kind of ph meter & cheap litmus paper tests ,or swimming pool test kits will not work.

Use the closet & you will have an easier time of it bud.
This makes a LOT of sense, thank you for taking the time to put down all those details. Overall, I COULD use the closet, but I worry if my parents came to visit. Perhaps I'll use the closet, and still build the dresser into a makeshift hide/grow box in case I needed to put the plants in for a single weekend while parents were visiting.
 
This makes a LOT of sense, thank you for taking the time to put down all those details. Overall, I COULD use the closet, but I worry if my parents came to visit. Perhaps I'll use the closet, and still build the dresser into a makeshift hide/grow box in case I needed to put the plants in for a single weekend while parents were visiting.
Love it, good work on the setup. :)
 

treemasterskunk

Active Member
check my sig mate,

i have just done the same as you are considering with the closet/cupboard and i am really impressed with how they turned out.

have a read of it, it shouldnt take you vey long lol. I had a massive break from updating it, but it its my first time and i would defo say i am impressed with how much attention the ladies closet/cupboard has NOT attracted, and how much i should hopefully get seein as i am total newb myself.

Also you will see how the just expanded to use ALL the room i had!
I defo think they are still a little tight in there, they will get reeally wide and i just dont think the lil cupbord chest thing will suffice.


Sorry if i was being rude asking why they would be in ya closet dude!
And for bumping ya thread too...

Peace

TMS
 

Rossta

Active Member
check my sig mate,

i have just done the same as you are considering with the closet/cupboard and i am really impressed with how they turned out.

have a read of it, it shouldnt take you vey long lol. I had a massive break from updating it, but it its my first time and i would defo say i am impressed with how much attention the ladies closet/cupboard has NOT attracted, and how much i should hopefully get seein as i am total newb myself.

Also you will see how the just expanded to use ALL the room i had!
I defo think they are still a little tight in there, they will get reeally wide and i just dont think the lil cupbord chest thing will suffice.


Sorry if i was being rude asking why they would be in ya closet dude!
And for bumping ya thread too...

Peace

TMS

No worries, it does seem weird that they'd be in there, lol. However, my mom will poke around EVERYWHERE so it's just a potential risk I had to consider! I checked out your grow, and it looks great!
 

Rossta

Active Member
Small update! I picked up a few supplies for the dresser today. A little compass saw, some wood glue, some hinges, hanging hooks, a small digital thermometer/humidity meter, some foil tape, and a dryer vent kit. I'm planning on using the dryer vent to make a carbon filter.
I'd see a couple videos of people lining the dryer filter with panyhose, and packing it full of activated carbon from a pet supplies store. Will that work ok? I still need to get my fans for the ventilation, the dryer exhaust vent is 4"IMG_5165.jpg
 

boodadood

Active Member
ive never used one of those diy pantyhose specials but ive seen them n im plannin on usin one on my system soon...its all about suction n making sure you have a vacuum in the grow box..make sure there is tons of suction on the grow box side of the exhaust fan and a really tight seal all the way to the filter n it should be good...idk how long they last

BD
 

Rossta

Active Member
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Just a small update, both are getting bigger! I'll be curious to see how this turns out, with one soil and one hydro. So far I'm definitely liking the height/leaf ratio on the hydro, the soil one has stretched out a bit. I may have to move my light closer!
 

Rossta

Active Member
Update, and something is wrong!!
The soil plant seems to be doing fine, I've been watering appropriately, and it seems fine. The hydro plant however, seems to have some leaf curling!! Can anyone help me out on what to do? I flushed the water today, and replaced it with distilled water. I'm going to wait a while before I add nutes again, to see if just water will perk it back up. Anyway, all help is appreciated!IMG_5180.jpgIMG_5182.jpgIMG_5181.jpgIMG_5179.jpg
 

Rossta

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Shameless self bump, my problem seems to be getting worse with the hydro plant. Help please!
 
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