First Post- Did I Buy The Right CFLs?

Medizzinman

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Everyone should start with cfl's. After dealing with the heat, multiple bulbs, and daily battle of rigging them all close enough....you will quickly appreciate going into to a real HID light. Incidentally I moved from cfl and slightly fluffy bud, to LED and dense sticky nugs. Worth every penny for longevity and energy savings of LED.
 

nomofatum

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Everyone should start with cfl's. After dealing with the heat, multiple bulbs, and daily battle of rigging them all close enough....you will quickly appreciate going into to a real HID light. Incidentally I moved from cfl and slightly fluffy bud, to LED and dense sticky nugs. Worth every penny for longevity and energy savings of LED.
You are just bitter that you made that mistake and want everyone to share in your suffering. Lol, can't blame you, but lets try to learn from not just our mistakes but the mistakes of others.
 

Medizzinman

Active Member
You are just bitter that you made that mistake and want everyone to share in your suffering. Lol, can't blame you, but lets try to learn from not just our mistakes but the mistakes of others.
Lol....yes the mistake of being broke and cheap? Allot of new growers face this. They just want the cheapest route to the end product. But you live and learn.
 

TJ baba

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I use cfl now but have a 600w hps in the mail so hopefully my temps will be okay if I run it at 250w in my tent.
 

az2000

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Thats what I thought lol.
Sorry. It's just that this is a common (and triggering, for some) topic. There was just a bunch of heat in the indoor->led forum an hour ago.

Those inexpensive eBay/Amazon LED lights either produce air buds at the coverage they claim to have. Or, you have to run 50-70w/sq ft to get results comparable to efficient (35w/sq ft) LED. At that point, you might as well invest in T5HO for short spaces (at 40w/sq ft) or CMH for tall spaces (at 35w/sq ft). (Or, if you're not trying to be efficient/reduce heat, use HPS at higher wattages). You'll also have a serviceable fixture, something that uses commoditized parts. Something you could sell on Craigslist in the future.

If you want more efficiency to reduce heat or energy costs, you have to spend more for LED like Area-51, Pacific, Tasty, growgreenled, Johnson. (Or, DIY a COB fixture. You should hang out in the LED forum to learn more if you're interested.).
 

jmcdaniel0

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Sorry. It's just that this is a common (and triggering, for some) topic. There was just a bunch of heat in the indoor->led forum an hour ago.

Those inexpensive eBay/Amazon LED lights either produce air buds at the coverage they claim to have. Or, you have to run 50-70w/sq ft to get results comparable to efficient (35w/sq ft) LED. At that point, you might as well invest in T5HO for short spaces (at 40w/sq ft) or CMH for tall spaces (at 35w/sq ft). (Or, if you're not trying to be efficient/reduce heat, use HPS at higher wattages). You'll also have a serviceable fixture, something that uses commoditized parts. Something you could sell on Craigslist in the future.

If you want more efficiency to reduce heat or energy costs, you have to spend more for LED like Area-51, Pacific, Tasty, growgreenled, Johnson. (Or, DIY a COB fixture. You should hang out in the LED forum to learn more if you're interested.).
I certainly am interested. I run a 1000w HPs in onerror tent and a 600w mh/hps in another. I just stumbled across it while I was reordering my fox farm nutes. I am eventually going to diy a cob fixture.
 
Thanks for all the responses guys. I have decided to start with a 600w HPS, but unfortunately I'll still need some cfls to start off the grow. I've been to every retail and hardware store around and none have any cfls above 23w. I'd prefer not to order anything online. I got all my stuff from a hydroponics shop but they don't have cfls.
 

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Another option is GE 10w (60w equiv) LED BrightStik. They cost only $3.50.

I usually use Cree 9.5w LED lightbulbs. They're omnidirectional and maybe 30% more lumens/w than a CFL. But, the GE BrightStick has the LEDs flush-mounted to the base (they all point forward). So, they are directional even without a reflector(!)

From my test yesterday:

GE 10w (60w equiv) BrightStik (warm)
No reflector: 860 lux
Reflector: 1200 lux

Generic 15w (60w equiv) CFL (warm)
No reflector: 180 lux
Reflector: 725 lux​

As you can see, the GE 10w (without a reflector) is brighter than the 15w CFL in a reflector. (If you add a reflector, it's 6.6x brighter than a CFL without a reflector).

My test isn't quite as clear-cut as that. I didn't measure distribution across a 2-foot square. I only measured directly in front of the bulb (maybe 20" distance). There could be coverage differences (the intensity at 6 or 12" off center). My smartphone app to measure lux isn't that good (the sensor on my phone isn't that good).

In the past the downside to LED lightbulbs (compared to CFL) was the price. But, the 10w GE BrightStik is $3.50 at Home Depot.

I'm using one bulb now. @zachyweezer88 is beginning to grow with them (maybe CFL and GE mixed together?).

GE just relased a 16w (100w equiv) version. It's only sold at Sams Club at the moment. It looks like it could be even more efficient. (The lumens/watts on the box don't look that good. But, it is the forward-facing diodes which make these lights really good. They're already directional. Less loss is incurred from reflecting the light.). I've got one and will post more about it in this article.

Now for a word of caution:

To get the goodness of that GE bulb, you have to remove the plastic diffusion cap. This teardown has photos showing what it looks like. This expose line voltage. If recessed in a clamp-on reflector, there's not much risk of contact. But, still, it's potentially lethal.

To be perfectly safe, you should power these through a GFI outlet (just make an extension cord with an junction box at the end, and a GFI outlet. Or, replace the wall outlet with a GFI).

Removing the cap:

I grasp the base and cap, and try to break it in half. I rotate it in my hands, trying to break it in half. After 3-4 tries, it breaks.

However, one time the diode plate came off with the cap. It slides back onto the two prongs (seen in the teardown link).

It may be better to hacksaw around the base to remove the cap. But, don't cut too deeply. You don't want to hit anything.

Storage:

With the cap removed, the phosphor (yellow) coating on the diodes is subject to damage. They should be handled and stored carefully. (If the phosphors are scraped off, it will change the light spectrum.).

The 3-pack box they come in is a good way to store them. Or, use 8oz solo (party) cups (face down into the cup, a rubber band to hold the cup to the light's base.).
Thanks for testing all that man but I don't think I'm ready to mess with potentially lethal LEDs that I have to tear down
 

az2000

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Thanks for testing all that man but I don't think I'm ready to mess with potentially lethal LEDs that I have to tear down
It's not that bad. Just pop the plastic cap off. Power them through a GFCI outlet, like protects you in the bathroom.

You can cut the top off the plastic cap (instead of popping the whole thing off). That would make it harder to contact the surface (which the GFCI protects against ultimately). I use them inside 5-1/2" clamp-on reflectors which they're very recessed into. You'd have to intentionally stick your hand inside the reflector. Inside a reflector like that, I pop the cap off.

It's not bad, within the right environment.
 
It's not that bad. Just pop the plastic cap off. Power them through a GFCI outlet, like protects you in the bathroom.

You can cut the top off the plastic cap (instead of popping the whole thing off). That would make it harder to contact the surface (which the GFCI protects against ultimately). I use them inside 5-1/2" clamp-on reflectors which they're very recessed into. You'd have to intentionally stick your hand inside the reflector. Inside a reflector like that, I pop the cap off.

It's not bad, within the right environment.
Well since it's only 3.50 I might check it out if I can find them. At the moment the stores near me aren't even stocking a variety of pots.
 
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