First Post/First Grow/Questions???

What's up fellow stoners. I am in the process of starting my first grow. I have no equipment yet, but have a general idea of what I want. I will be using a 4 foot long 8 light T5 fluorescent system for veggin, and a 600 watt HPS along with 2 T5's on the sides for flowering. I have 5 Greenhouse Super Lemon Haze seeds, and 5 Barney's Red Dragon seeds ready to get jump started. I will be using a 2ft wide x 6 foot long x 8 foot tall closet for growing.

Questions are...

1. How much can I expect to yield from 6 plants at a time?

2. Should I grow more or less plants in that space?

I appreciate it fellas and fellettes !

First of all WELCOME!!! You chose a great site to join. Besides that your wants for a setup sound very ideal. Id stick with 6 under the 600 and wouldnt even bother with the side lighting unless you have EXCELLENT ventilation. Those t5's in that narrow of a space will get HOT. I have one trust me. Now dont get me wrong if you can keep it cool enough then do it. The reason I say only do 6 is because some people think that by cramming 20 plants under one light you will get more bud. NOT TRUE, What youll get (unless your sea of green) is a bunch of top buds and everything bellow will be undeveloped and premie. So stick with 6 and dont mix the strains that way your canopy (top of the plants) will be even. This will give you optimum chances for the best yield. Also look up UNCLE BENS TOPPING TECHNIQUE on here or HOW TO FIMM WITH M BLAZE. Id grow 6 plants and bush em out and try and pull anywhere from 2-4 ounces per plant. Just make sure you have good air flow in the closet, cool temps, 40-50%humidity, and dont over water. Less nutes is better during veg and also sometimes in flower. Hope that helps out a bit. GOOD LUCK AND WELCOME!

welcome... i dont have much advise for u but i do have to say.. "thank u for researching and asking questions b4 u start!!!" so many ppl throw seeds in the dirt with a bulb above it and then start asking questions and looking for answers... "fail to plan, plan to fail" thats all i gotta say.. good luck!

There's so many variables that no one will be able to tell you how much yield you'll get. Lights, type of grow, nutes, ventilation, etc. We need a lot more information to even begin to make uneducated guesses.

Thanks everyone for your replies, esp SuperDave5. I know there are a ton of variables, I was just looking for estimates. One question still, only 2-4 ounces per plant??? The Greenhouse site says up to 700 grams per plant indoor for SLH, and Red Dragon 550grams. Thats over a pound per plant.

CharlieDay said:

Thanks everyone for your replies, esp SuperDave5. I know there are a ton of variables, I was just looking for estimates. One question still, only 2-4 ounces per plant??? The Greenhouse site says up to 700 grams per plant indoor for SLH, and Red Dragon 550grams. Thats over a pound per plant.

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thats not per plant indoors... thats per square meter

Yes brotha, never expect that much your first go around. Also if you can CO2 enrich the room you can run your temps slightly hotter(about 80 degrees instead of 75) and expect to increase your yield anywhere from 25-50%. Your biggest key will be to have good air circulation (make sure you get fresh air in there as much as possible) cool temps and dont over feed. When they first start out, just water them for the first week with PH'd water at about 6.6 PH. Then after that on week 2 go 1/4 strength nutes week 3- 1/2 strength nutes and week 4 go full strength if the plants are healthy. Use the pyramid skeem to feed. Start small and build up. During flower you want to hit your plants with FULL STRENGTH NUTES around 1/2 way to 3/4 way through flower. Then start backing off the nutes before they finish and give them a good flush of just straight water before they finish. You want the plant to look almost dead when you harvest. All this means is that all the chemicals are out of the plant and you have some CLEAN DANK ASS BUD. If you can get a good environment in there and train your plants a bit (RESEARCH TOPPING AND FIMMING IT REALLY HELPS) you'll pull some weight. If you do this I would GUESSTIMATE that youll pull about 9 ounces at the very least and could pull a pound or more if done properly especially with CO2.

Also one last thing. If you have the height to do it. You can always veg them a bit longer that will increase your yield as well. But if your gunna grow big bushy plants. Always keep that light close enough to the plants to where they wont stretch (get your internodes as close as possible to produce full colas) yet not too close to where your light burns or overheats the plants

GOOD LUCK MY FRIEND

SuperDave5, thanks again. You are full of usefull info. I heard spraying the plants with carbonated water can act like a CO2 system??? If not I would def be willing to use a CO2 system to increase yield by 25-50%.

1. Is it dangerous to use a CO2 system in a closet?
2. How would you suggest bringing fresh air into the closet? (An additional inline bringing air in a few times a day?/It gets really cold here in the winters)
3. Would growing 3 plants instead of 6 enable them to grow larger increasing yield?

Thanks again broskies. This site is frickin wicked.

Another question. They say there are no stupid questions right? (bullshit)

1. What does this mean...

To get 4 main colas, let your seedling or cutting (clone) grow to about 5-6 nodes and pinch out (cut) the stem just above the 2nd true node. The node where the cotyledons attach doesn't count. The result will be a redistribution of the auxins and other hormones that normally collect in the tissue of the terminal leader's tip. These ho moans will be redistributed to dormant buds that reside in the nodal axis where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk", below the cut. The new foliar output response will be quick (within 24 hrs., see photo below) if you have a healthy growing seedling and will be your future main colas - 4 instead of the usual 1:

2. I wan't to get 4 colas, how do I do it? (In laymen terms)

Thanks a ton (or 32000 ounces)!

I tell first growers the same thing: The purpose of your first grow is for you to learn as much as possible and the best way to do that is by starting small and simple. Decide soil or hydro. Decide which hydro system (simple DWC). As for lights you have the idea but I can tell you those T5s will rock the whole way through the grow with very little heat. Starting with more plants creates almost too much for you to focus on, I'd recommend 4. It's like Charles Lindberg once said about twin engine airplanes - they double your chance of an engine failure.

Thats a great point Illegal, more doesn't mean better. I don't think that 6 will be too hard for me to control, I am just worried about yield. I have a bunch of friends wanting to try this Kron. So in the communities opinion 3 or 6 to start for yield? Also, with the T5's I should just get the red bulbs for flowering and not worry about the HPS??? Once again, quality and yield is what I'm after!

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Illegal smile- I know you know your stuff, but those t5's on the side of the plants in a closed 2ft wide would get hot NO DOUBT. But anyways, Id stick with 6 for your first run. doing 3 you could really get some big bushes but that takes experience and lots of practice to know how to do it. So start with 6. As far as fresh air. Just a simple inline fan (4inch) with a filter on it pulling outside air would do perfect. Hook it up to a timer and just let it run every 30 mins or so. As far as CO2, YES it can be VERY DANGEROUS. If you run CO2 you also do not need to pull in outside air or buy that 4inch inline fan. Just find a way to cool the closet (ac or whatever) and make sure it gets a good seal on it. And run your CO2. CO2 can get pricey because you may also need an environmental controller to know how much ppm (parts per million) of CO2 is in the room. So for starters, proper just buy a 80 dollar inline fan and pull outside air. As far as the last question and all the technical terms I GOT NOTHIN hahaha. Thats over my head. If you find the thread of FIMMING WITH M BLAZE it gives your pictures of how to do it. If you want to TOP, just wait until you get about 5-6 branches and then cut the top off right above the 6th branch. Literally off. Not the side branches, but the top. Also by pinching the tips of the branches and or tops, it forces lower growth to grow and stunts the top growth. This will help you to keep your nodes (nodes are your flower sites) closer together so that when you flower you will have FULL BUDS

Stick with HPS bro. If you flower with those T5's I promise youll be sorry. Theyll work for sure, but nowhere near the yield that an HPS will do. And when I said dont use them, I meant you dont need an HPS over the top of your crop and 2 T5's on the sides. In the space you say you have (2ft wide) thats too narrow for that much lighting. Your plants will grow onto the T5 and get burnt.

SuperDave, you are a super guy! Thanks a shit ton for all of the usefull information. I will go with T5's for Vegging, and HPS for flowering.

I still have a few questions. Everytime I get an answer it seems more questions arise.

1. Should I do a combo of HPS/T5 at the same time for better results?
2. If I want CO2 enrichment, is there another way other than a CO2 canister? I read about spraying plants with carbonated water, or making a diy CO2 generator with yeast, water, and sugar connected to a hose?
3. What about hanging some CFL's down into the lower parts of the plants to get max penetration?

Thanks again peeps!

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