First Time Grower, G13 Feminized

supersymmetry

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pictures mostly of upper buds & other various shots. down low there are even more popcorn-type buds, smaller ones. flowerday 36 & 37.

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above: 10 pics from flowerday 36 8/31/11

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above: 10 pics from flowerday 37 9/1/11
 

Dr Gruber

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Not bad at all....way to keep it green.
The only thing I would mention and its a small thing.. is.....you may want to keep the soil line about and 2 inches from the top of the pot for easier watering. Looks like you filled it all the way to the top?????
 

supersymmetry

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yeah you are right, i never thought about that when i was filling the pot, way back when, so i filled the bucket w/ dirt all the way up. would it be safe to take some dirt out now, as long as i don't hit roots? if i take some out, should i top it w/ perlite or anything? thanks
 

Dr Gruber

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yeah you are right, i never thought about that when i was filling the pot, way back when, so i filled the bucket w/ dirt all the way up. would it be safe to take some dirt out now, as long as i don't hit roots? if i take some out, should i top it w/ perlite or anything? thanks
Id just leave it as it is.
 

supersymmetry

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the water mix i made last week was junk coz i left the stir stick (straightened lowe's bucket handle) in the liquid a couple days and the metal turned black and there was foam on top of the water, so, who knows what weird chemical reactions happened.

2 days ago: dumped that 5gal, mixed up about 96oz/700ppm/1tbspmolasses/6.55pH & fed about 80oz of that to the g13 & got 4 to 8 oz runoff. propped up one more branch. most lower branches are now supported but several upper ones still need to be, soon as i figure out a good way. note to self... get some chicken wire next time, on seed #2! that'd be so much easier. noticed some of the remaining full-size fan leaves off main stem were quickly drying.

today: mixed up another 96oz or so, same specs, watered w/ 72oz. noticed the bladetips of some upper leaves are ever so slightly nute burned, so next time maybe i'll go back to 625ppm and work up from there. also some upper leaves have tiny white partially transparent dots in their green-ness which i assumed was insect bite damage but upon closer inspection the spots are on the top side of the leaves, not the bottom, and there's more than last time, so probably nute burn too. several full size fan leaves ready to pluck but i'll leave em on a while longer and then maybe smoke their stems, which are more potent than you'd ever think.

flower day 41.
 

supersymmetry

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light watering of 32oz/625ppm/100ppmmolasses/6.56pH. propped up one more branch and re-propped up another one that had a wobbly support. pulled off 2 dried up fan leaves & 1 or 2 small leaves in the dark. dr.g thanks i'll try to remember to check what you said next time and i'll let you know the results. the water-catching tray at the bottom is pretty filthy with previous dirt and previous run-off solids so i don't know if i would get an accurate reading, but i guess it's worth a try.
 

supersymmetry

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another relatively light watering of 48oz/625ppm/100ppmmolasses/6.56pH. flowerday 45.

a few small leaves down low are ready to be plucked, but i'll let 'em fall off by themselves. about 4 more full-size fan leaves totally drying up & curling. i could probably pull 'em but their stems are mostly fat, i.e. they're still contributing to the plant, so i'll leave 'em alone for now.

did a spraydown for old times sake... lol... whatever that means. there's enough high temperature & air conditioning today, to where the spray water will be gone within a few hours, so it should be fine. just want the foliage to stay cool.

saw a tiny little insect walking in the dirt, like 1/16" or smaller, then lost track of it. couldn't see if it was winged or not. sprayed Don't Bug Me in that general direction and then did the 48oz watering. there is no insect breakout. will keep an eye on things. if i start seeing 2 or more insects at once, i may have to step it up, but they are always alone up till now.

i was gonna check for the runoff salt like i said last time, but frankly it's too complicated and not worthwhile to give the plant enough water to achieve runoff right now for the sole purpose of checking salt or whatever, for at least 2 reasons: 1) i have a tendency to overwater, which people say slows growth, so now that i've started a slower water schedule, i'm sticking with it, i.e. there's no runoff to check, and 2) probably within a week i will be moving to straight water anyway for the final 2 weeks of flushing, so whatever salt is in there will be coming out soon. we'll be ok... i think :?: if there *is* some kind of salt excess, i sure as heck have not seen any side effects from it. the only side effect i have seen lately is my own fault, when i jumped from 550ppm straight to 700ppm but now i'm back at 625 and things look good so i'll take the low road... if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

buds lookin good. still plumping up slightly. nothing extraordinary, but slow & steady growth, which is what i want. with 20/20 hindsight, i can say that if i had double the light for flowering, it would've been better.

was gonna say something else but i forgot. i'll edit this if i think of it.
edit: oh yeah what i was gonna say is... the other day i guesstimated the height at 44" without measuring it. ever since then i have measured it several times and it looks to be 43" pretty steady for a while now. just measured it again right now and it might be like 43 and a quarter. it'll be interesting to see if lower water quantity makes it go higher... that's what i'm guessing... we'll see...
 

*BUDS

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did a spraydown for old times sake... lol
Bro its not a horse thats just had a race, it doesnt need a spraydown.Im a bit worried about the white spots on leaves and now your seeing tiny bugs-spidermites,maybe.
get a 1000w hps for next grow and keep the led for vegging, so this light/energy hungry strain can get to its potential. Still your doing well.
 

supersymmetry

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Bro its not a horse thats just had a race, it doesnt need a spraydown.Im a bit worried about the white spots on leaves and now your seeing tiny bugs-spidermites,maybe.
get a 1000w hps for next grow and keep the led for vegging, so this light/energy hungry strain can get to its potential. Still your doing well.
well, i have really cut back on spraydowns but i just do 'em occasionally because i think it helps the g13 stay closer to room temperature. did one today and the water is long gone already. evaporated due to heat. temperatures in here still reach into the 90s in the daytime. i'm in the southeast! hehe
mites: none whatsoever! i'm lucky that there has been no breakout. i think what i saw was an ant. definitely bigger than mites, black body not white, crawling on dirt not on plant itself. there are definitely a few ants in this building. i saw another one today, all by its lonesome. sprayed it dead with Don't Bug Me.
white spots: the damage was definitely on the top side of the leaves. insect damage is usually on the bottom from what i hear. when i say "white" spots, i really don't know if it's white or a wilted brown color that plants turn into sometimes, because i almost never look at my plant under natural light or white indoor lighting. i always look at it under the UFO red/pink/purple light, so any trouble spot stripped of chlorophyll reflects all light, and so it looks white. the spots seem directly related to too much nutrition and when i scale back the parts-per-million, no more white spots.

ok, a couple days ago, flowerday 47, did another watering of 48oz/625ppm/100ppmmolasses/6.56pH. that was the last of that mix. may have done a spraydown but i can't remember.

today, flowerday 49, mixed up a new gallon of 650ppm/125ppmmolasses/6.8pH. it's gotten to the point where i don't fully trust my pH meter because the electrode is acting funny, but 6.83 is what it said. i'll check it again before next watering and adjust down to 6.5 if needed. anyway i fed the plant 64oz of that new mix.

the thing that sort of baffles me at this point is that all pistils are still completely 100% white. i figured that by now there would be hints of a rusty red on the tips, but there is none. none at all. according to the seedbank, i have 14 days to go until harvest, and still white pistils. in reality i think it will take a few days longer, as i try to do a multi-stage harvest, just like Dr.G did... top buds first, clear some foliage, and let the lower buds continue on for a while.

i really want to do another preventative spraydown with neem oil (diluted in water) which is a really good way to prevent mold, but i'm kinda reluctant, because: i've done that twice before, and it seems like plant growth stopped or slowed down for 2 or 3 days after each time. i never did figure out if that was from the neem oil, or a coincidence, or from something else...

overall height maybe 43 1/2" now. it's creeping upwards at a really slow pace but for the most part it has maxed out i think. everything looking fine, by my standards. i should take some pics soon... maybe next time i have the grow room spread open for watering, 2 days from now.
 

supersymmetry

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long story short: 1000w is not practical. i wish i could do that!

long story long: my landlord pays the electric bill. i never even get to see it. i just pay a flat rate. so you can imagine that if i jump from a 90w LED to 1000w HPS that would be a total red alert for him to want to come in here and see wtf is up, haha. especially now, coz he's talking about putting a heater in here that he thinks will save electricity in the winter. that makes no sense to me coz i already have an oil-filled heater which is about the most efficient you can get. so if he puts his super duper heater in here, and the bill rises anyway (coz of the 1000w), i might have some 'splainin' to do. anyway i hope to have the current grow setup cleared out about this time next month so he can come in here & do whatever the hell he wants to do, and for my next grow i am thinking of more LED's, like maybe a 180W. a 180W together with the 90W would give me triple the flower power. i haven't decided if i want to start another grow right away, or maybe wait till spring. gotta walk a fine line between staying stealth and using the other 2 seeds while they're alive

edit: maybe i'm naive, but i'm holding out hope that weed will be decriminalized on a federal level next year. if that were to happen, then there's no freakin way i'm spending another dime for grow setups... i would give the seeds away and just buy my goodies at the dispensary. or better yet, do an outside grow, right in the yard... that would be awesome.
 

Dr Gruber

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well, i have really cut back on spraydowns but i just do 'em occasionally because i think it helps the g13 stay closer to room temperature. did one today and the water is long gone already. evaporated due to heat. temperatures in here still reach into the 90s in the daytime. i'm in the southeast! hehe
mites: none whatsoever! i'm lucky that there has been no breakout. i think what i saw was an ant. definitely bigger than mites, black body not white, crawling on dirt not on plant itself. there are definitely a few ants in this building. i saw another one today, all by its lonesome. sprayed it dead with Don't Bug Me.
white spots: the damage was definitely on the top side of the leaves. insect damage is usually on the bottom from what i hear. when i say "white" spots, i really don't know if it's white or a wilted brown color that plants turn into sometimes, because i almost never look at my plant under natural light or white indoor lighting. i always look at it under the UFO red/pink/purple light, so any trouble spot stripped of chlorophyll reflects all light, and so it looks white. the spots seem directly related to too much nutrition and when i scale back the parts-per-million, no more white spots.

ok, a couple days ago, flowerday 47, did another watering of 48oz/625ppm/100ppmmolasses/6.56pH. that was the last of that mix. may have done a spraydown but i can't remember.

today, flowerday 49, mixed up a new gallon of 650ppm/125ppmmolasses/6.8pH. it's gotten to the point where i don't fully trust my pH meter because the electrode is acting funny, but 6.83 is what it said. i'll check it again before next watering and adjust down to 6.5 if needed. anyway i fed the plant 64oz of that new mix.

the thing that sort of baffles me at this point is that all pistils are still completely 100% white. i figured that by now there would be hints of a rusty red on the tips, but there is none. none at all. according to the seedbank, i have 14 days to go until harvest, and still white pistils. in reality i think it will take a few days longer, as i try to do a multi-stage harvest, just like Dr.G did... top buds first, clear some foliage, and let the lower buds continue on for a while.

i really want to do another preventative spraydown with neem oil (diluted in water) which is a really good way to prevent mold, but i'm kinda reluctant, because: i've done that twice before, and it seems like plant growth stopped or slowed down for 2 or 3 days after each time. i never did figure out if that was from the neem oil, or a coincidence, or from something else...

overall height maybe 43 1/2" now. it's creeping upwards at a really slow pace but for the most part it has maxed out i think. everything looking fine, by my standards. i should take some pics soon... maybe next time i have the grow room spread open for watering, 2 days from now.
100% white pistils is normal at this stage...it took my g13 about 70 0r 75 days so dont worry yet. you will see them turn in another week or so.
 

supersymmetry

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watered plant with the other half (64oz) of the gallon i used last time, same specs. also did a spraydown. i know... people are against it, but i haven't seen any drawbacks yet. no insect sightings this time.

got numerous pics of buds. i'll try to remember to post them tonight. did not get any overall plant pics coz nothing much has changed. still same approximate width and still just shy of 44" tall.

propped up one new branch sorta down low. it was almost horizontal from weight. re-propped up 2 other branches with pivot point further out the length of the branch because they had gained weight too

using a pair of tweezers i popped off a micro-bud from close to the center of the plant. it seems underdeveloped from low light. all pistils white. quick-drying in fridge. will taste-test it later on. might repeat this every couple days.

the pistils heard me... i guess!? definitely some red creeping into the picture now! maybe they'll be visible in the macro shots. any day now i need to stop the nutes. for straight water do you use pH 7.0 or adjust it pH 6.5?

ok my next post (whenever) will be pics only. i got one pic of a smallish bud site covered in the white spots which i think are nute burn. also got one pic of a typical dried up fan leaf. there're about 3 of those ready to pluck now.

peace out
 

supersymmetry

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all pics above (14) from 9/15/2011, flower day 51
various bud shots

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all pics above (3) from 9/15/2011, flower day 51
1 - typical wilted full-size fan leaf
2 - bud site with unusual nute burn
3 - zoom-in on crunchy trichomes
 

supersymmetry

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3 days ago (flower day 53) watered with about 68oz water as follows: tap water that started out as 50ppm, w/ added 320ppm nutes & 155ppm molasses, & adjusted to 6.9pH. i was going for 6.5 but overcompensated coz of the lower nute amount. then i remembered how phosphorus is taken up easier at higher pH so i figured i would leave it as is.

same day, saw several tiny black gnats crawling on the dirt in the bucket. killed 'em w/ Don't Bug Me. got about 1/3 of a Mosquito Dunk, broke it up into 6 or 8 pieces and some smaller pieces too, put it on dirt, soaked it down. also the same day i saw what looked to be 1 or 2 really thin, almost invisible spiderweb strands near top bud site. ripped 'em off, and just then i saw the spider itself, on the underside of a leaf at the top bud site. it was already dead. sprayed it just for good measure, removed it w/ tweezers. it was pretty small. its leg span was probably half the size of a dime. also filled water-catching tray at bottom with water, to at least discourage walking insects from getting inside.

yesterday (flower day 55) used the other half of that gallon (was about 60oz left). disposed of another one or two of those mini flies. i dunno what they are exactly or where they come from, but there's no epidemic yet, so i guess we're ok. i'm keeping an eye open.

well, unless i hear otherwise from someone on here, from now on i am using just tap water w/ 1.5 to 2 tbsp molasses per gallon. if that mixture comes out pretty close to 6.5pH or higher, i won't need to adjust. if it comes out lower than 6.5, might have to adjust upwards. the only thing that sucks is that the adjustment chemical would have to be used up till harvest, i.e. i'd be ingesting it. that's why i want to avoid using it
 

supersymmetry

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also, notice how that top bud has virtually no red hairs, but many of the lower buds have plenty of red. does that mean you harvest the lower ones first? that seems so backwards...
 

supersymmetry

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i think thats a spider not a mite....way too big.
yeah, definitely a spider, so we agree! pretty sure i said spider, not mite. i haven't seen mites for months now. the only time i said mites recently was in reply to someone else asking me about the white spots i had mentioned. he thought they might've been mites, but no freakin way... in fact here's the exact pic of the exact white spots i'm talkin about... notice how they are spaced pretty evenly between the veins on the leaves, and the damage is on top, not on the bottom... in my mind it's nute burn, no doubt about it
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speaking of that same exact bud right there in that pic - the one with nute burn - last night i plucked it off & vaporized it right away, right after smoking a dried fan leaf stem. yeah i know, some passersby are like "wtf is this guy doing? smoking stems??" yeah, u better believe it... they're full of oil. why waste 'em when they need to be plucked anyway? i don't like wasting when something is useful. anyway, that stem, and that bud, wow, they knocked me out for several hours. accidentally i also pulled the "parent" fan leaf that went with that bud, but oh well, that won't go wasted either... it gives me a chance to hang it up & watch it dry up so i can get a feel for how long it takes in reality, in addition to drying/curing how-to's i've been reading...

earlier today i mixed a gallon of water with 2 tbsp molasses for new food. came out to 6-ish pH. adjusted it up to 6.85 or so. used half of that (64oz) to feed the plant. killed about 2 more gnats walking around on the dirt.
 
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