Jwr210
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That’s what I plan on doing then! Gonna order it all right now actually. Lol. Thank you very much.
First time grower HELP
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SchmoeJoe
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Not to mention, as I understand it, you can't really mess around with topping or training autos and a lot of them can get big enough that a 160 watt anything isn't going to do it.
I hear you dude. I was only telling him what i have personally found for mine. I dont discredit leds at at, just think good ones are a dime in a dozen. Each of my ufos are 96w draw. I have them side by side in a 600x900 tent. The node spacing, stretch and thickness is good for my seedlings until they reach about 14 days. At 14 days from seed theyre usually on about the 4th or fifth node, but just start to shoot for the sky. For me, that is what ive found.
Alls i was originally saying is flowering in an open room with 160watt of anything aint gonna get you shit. 150 watts on 12hrs a day, for 56 days costs me 27 dollars. Thats just minimum for flower and light, not to mention heating and ac / enviroment. If it was only 160 watts like the op says, with no other factors, just the light, imho he'll be dissappointed.
Takes 6.6 times the energy to run 1000w hid. In all honesty how close to the watt / quality of 1000w do you think 160watts can achieve? Especially the quality. A 350/400 watt hid would kick the shit out of an average 160watt led, no matter enviroment. Thats the point im trying to make, and i did say no was the short answer.
Admittedly i dont run autos, but i think ganja gurl is quite right.
I believe word for word its the best advice, especially using a super fast auto and just to have fun. Fun is definitely the right attitude to have in this hobby, and we should be free to express our experiences and share them. Thats how we learn and get better at things isnt it?
Its your first grow bro. Dont expect quality or yield with the equipment / experience you have. Thats all im saying just enjoy it bro. But for about 40 dollars more a flower cycle you would have a total blast.
Peace and sorry to open a can of worms.
Cletus clem
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Even at less than a gram a watt, 100 grams is 1/4lb. For what? Even if a cycle was $200 in electricity, more than worth it. My issue with your comment was the very discouraging tone. The performance of your garden is irrelevant. There are plenty of growers getting excellent results using low wattages in small/micro setups. The retail price of flower makes it pretty easy to justify a small grow for personal use.
By no means did i mean to have the wrong tone. I apologize if you misunderstood. But the math doesnt lie. I really do think just a little more light energy will make a huge difference in his grow, especially for a first run. Im just trying to give a realistic expectation for a first time grower. Peace dude and please man, im not trying to patronize or offend you. I respect your opinion, but i have mine aswell. We can agree to disagree
Cletus clem
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You can agree to disagree. I will stick with the fact that you are wrong. Its ok to just admit it, i would have much more respect for that. Instead you cling to your opinion that a low wattage grow is not worth it. Numbers dont lie. It would take a very inefficient grow to not be worth a low wattage, single plant grow for personal use. I view this question as not if it can be done but how. And not is it worth it, because it is if the op feels so. Theres no hard feelings, just dont contribute if you have nothing to contribute. If the results of your personal grow dont justify the cost, my advice would be that you should do less giving of advice and more taking.
Even led/led, watt for watt, is a good comparison. If you ran a 150watt vs 1500watt led, you think youre even gonna get a 10th of the yield you could with the 1500watt??? Physics doesnt lie either. Lets be real.
I appologize to the OP. I think both cletus and i should be a little more civil. Were both coming across as obnoxious.
This is my last response to cletus. Its turned from a debate into an argument, and is a lost cause.
Take ganja gurls advice.
Completely ignore myself and cletus.
Have fun with you grow.
NanoGadget
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I have a 135w 288 QB from HLG that is absolutely crushing a 2x2 grow space. I think people who say a low watt grow isn't worth it just are not familiar with the efficiency of current gen LED. Hell, an HLG 550 pulls just over 500 watts from the wall and puts out higher ppfd than a 1000w HPS.
Cletus clem
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This!
Cletus clem
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/bodhi-seeds-lemon-lotus.946638/
This is a grow journal i did with great detail on how to manage a low wattage grow. Its a bit more than youre looking to get into but should find some good info in there.
This is a grow journal i did with great detail on how to manage a low wattage grow. Its a bit more than youre looking to get into but should find some good info in there.
I dont discredit leds at all. I think they are the future, but they are a dime in a dozen.
I dont think leds have the same reliability in the sense that, it doest even matter if you buy cheap, crappy, hps bulbs, they are really reliable.
I really like the performance led strips, and cobs. Definitely think this is the direction to search for a great one.
Its why i also compared led to led in my post. If you use EXACTLY the same brand lights in a comparisom, whether hid or led. Bigger watts will always win. Theres just no escaping it.
In a low wattage grow, adding even just 1-2 hundred watts will make a massive difference. Especially in an open room with no reflection.
I appologize if i came across as biased.
Cletus clem
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Reliable in what way? Ive had and seen more problems with hid than led. Bulbs that dont fire, ballasts going bad. They are reliable in that the cheap ones need to be changed every cycle, better bulbs like eye hortilux are good for 2 cycles. This is exactly why there is sooo much misinformation and exactly why newer growers such as yourself struggle to get the most out of their gardens. Your ability, or lack there of, to effectively run a low wattage grow puts you in a position in which you should not be giving advice. Not to be mean, or meant as a put down. Just how it is. Yes, you can get more out of a higher wattage setup. That dosnt matter though because op is not in a situation that allows that. Furthermore, to belittle my input because you dont like it or agree with it is childish. I have not lied, given bad info or advice. Nor have i been discouraging. I may be blunt, not sugar coating things to your liking, but strive to be helpful and encouraging whenever possible.
, haaaaaaaaaaaaa, I donk think the OP cares about either of us dude....
Stop being such a Cuck and leave me alone.
If you have some advice, i suggest sending the OP a pm. Im sure if he appreciates what you have to say, he'll reply.
You're 35 years old. Act your age. You sound like a butthurt teen.
Im unfollowing this thread. Leave me alone.
Send the guy a pm. Leave me alone
Downinthedirt
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I say just go for it and learn as you go..that's how we all have learned one way or the other no matter how much we read on here...and if you don't get but enough but one joint it will be the best you ever smoked because you grew it! Don't listen to anyone who says no! Good luck!
Jwr210
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Thanks a lot! Appreciate it.