First Time Growing - Need help!! - 250w HPS- White Widow

Today is the 27th day from seed. I'm not using tap water. I'm buying it from market, which has 7.2 pH. I start giving nutrients after 2 weeks. I got problems.

DINAFEM's White Widow
5 Gallon pot
Biobizz All-Mix (soil ph 6.6)
7.2 pH water
250w HPS light. (for veg and flowering)
BioThrive Grow/Bloom
%40 - %55 Humidity
Heat: 21 C - 27 C
Light distance from plant: 45-50 CM

1) Why leaves are droopy ? It's about genetic or overwatering ? I was watering it every 3-4 days. I will not water it until she stands up.
2) Plant growing slowly. Why it's not getting tall ?
3) I think I got Iron deficiency. It's because of 7.2 pH water ?

I think I over fed . When I see nutrient burn after 3-4 days I flushed it with tap water which has 7.2 - 7.5 pH.. I don' know. I was stressed plant by light. Heat stress.. leaves curled. I moved light 3 days ago now they're good. I need your advices guys. Tomorrow I'm going to buy pH down and pH meter. Because this pH sh*t causing a lot of problems. Leaves are little bit dry. Is my plant dying ? How can I save her.

Im still a noob at this but i know phosphorus, iron, and magnesium get locked out at a ph of 7.5. I have read that 5.5-6.5 is best but like i said im still new to this too but just thought i would share.

Does not look like nute burn, looks like light burn. How close was the light before you moved it?
Temp & Humidity are good, DO NOT change em.
How big is that pot?
Do you have a fan on it ?

Light burn? Probably.

Light was 30 cm close to plants before. Now it's 56 cm.
Pot size is 5 gallon (18L). It's Smart Pot
Yea, I got a nice fan moving and blowing on them.

I don't know.. 250w HPS should'nt cause this. When I put my hand under the light (50cm up to 30cm) it even not burning my hand.

Hows your drainage??

the bottle says two part, are you using the grow a and b or just that one bottle?
the biobizz site says its organic dirt and that it will hold its ph for you but where it says technical data on the soil it has a bunch of pictures. not so technical.
have you been adding calmag?
it does look overwatered

Queen of the Bud said:

Hows your drainage??

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Drainage is not problem because I'm using Smart Pot

Alienwidow said:

the bottle says two part, are you using the grow a and b or just that one bottle?
the biobizz site says its organic dirt and that it will hold its ph for you but where it says technical data on the soil it has a bunch of pictures. not so technical.
have you been adding calmag?
it does look overwatered

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If the soil can hold pH so what are these nutrient deficiencies.. so much lock-outs.. I dont have calmag. I'm using Grow bottle, in the flowering stage I'm gonna use Bloom bottle.


Today I checked the plant and she doesn't look good. Leaves are not dry anymore, they are soft and looks like moist also there are some holes on leaves. I was flushed her 4 days ago and soil is little bit wet now. I think it's completely overwatered. White Widow.. wow she's hard to grow. Takes much time. I should buy Northern Lights and start from the beginning with 250w MH. I have no hope, I think she is dying.. Here's the pictures..

nah, please don't give up. pussies give up. are you a pussy? you have a golden opportunity, your expecting zero yield so any at all will be a success.

over watering is a very common problem and it is 100% curable. just water less and less frequently. theres a simple test where you move the container to feel the weight in your hand, if its light its time. heavy and it still has water to evaporate or suck into the plant. the other way to tell is by poking your finger just into the soil. if its still damp you can probably wait. dry and your good to go. the main thing is that you aren't soaking that huge container totally because that will take way too long to dry. the plants roots will swell from the water and prune up like toes in the bath and they will not work right any more. this causes slow growth. so just use a lot less water and make sure its spread all over and not just at the stem. this will make the roots want to search for water and push outward.

the other very curable problem is the light burn. my plants run right into my t5 lights all the time. this burns them. a 250 w hps has much more heat output than a t5 bulb so it can scorch the plants fast. this isn't much of a problem, it sucks but the important part of your plant is the roots anyway. you can beat the hell out of the top and you can still do ok. eventually when it dries out and you start relaxing on the watering you will be able to determine which leaves or which leaf fingers need to go. just snip them off and keep going. it will grow right past this small set back.

your suffering from grower error and its very common and is the best way to learn. the plant is not hard to grow. it is ridiculously easy to grow when your methods are right. thats why they named it weed. because of how easy it is to grow. next time you will know to keep the light farther away. next time you will know to transplant from small containers to large ones slowly so over watering isn't such a problem and your roots spread out more in them. next time you will posses skills, and thats what this plant will be good for. learning basic skills.

the next thing you have to worry about is not over feeding. if your using organic soil you probably won't have to feed much or at all after transplants, because the extra food is in the soil and the roots will grow into it and harvest it without any help from you. feeding is less likely to burn the plant if you don't feed at every watering, i go two to three waterings (with calmag) between feedings. fwwwfwwwfwwwf. and start with a low dose and work up to a full dose while your paying attention to how the plant is reacting to its food. if its pale yellow then feed it more, nice healthy green and your golden, dark green to black green and your hammering too hard so back off, just remember, its not a bottle of nutrients that grows the plant, its grower talent.

run that plant, it will recover and taste like victory when you smoke it finally. good luck.

Thanks bro , you give me best motivation. I was in 18/6. I switched the timer back to 24/0 again. Because this shit needs to dry. I put my finger into the soil and it's still wet. I was transplanted the plant when it's 3 week old. The reason was; I thought plant stopped growing, needed bigger pot. I dunno, leaves look liked little to me. Nevermind. All I have to do is waiting. I got questions:

If plant gets healthy again, I will continue to give 7.2 pH water. Should I buy pH Down ?
Is calmag necessary ? In my country I can't find that bottle.

This plant will be a legend! If I can smoke it..

WeWantWeed said:

Thanks bro , you give me best motivation. I was in 18/6. I switched the timer back to 24/0 again. Because this shit needs to dry. I put my finger into the soil and it's still wet. I was transplanted the plant when it's 3 week old. The reason was; I thought plant stopped growing, needed bigger pot. I dunno, leaves look liked little to me. Nevermind. All I have to do is waiting. I got questions:

If plant gets healthy again, I will continue to give 7.2 pH water. Should I buy pH Down ?
Is calmag necessary ? In my country I can't find that bottle.

This plant will be a legend! If I can smoke it..

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calmag is almost as important as your N-P-K base fertilizer eventually. hopefully the biobizz soil has enough to keep you going for a while. they usually have crushed oyster shell or other amendments added if they are low but there are some other sources besides a bottle of calmag. i only have used the calmag bottle but i was reading that epsom salts are a good useable source of magnesium. and cheap, and available everywhere. calcium is probably available in some form or another. you may need to do some research into what you can use but id suggest starting the search with oyster shell powder. but like i was saying you probably have enough in that soil for now.
nice move on changing the timer to 24/7 to move some of that water through the plant faster. the plant probably did stop growing around the time you thought because you were over watering it. that stops the growing really fast. wet-dry on the other hand will make it grow really fast. I'm telling ya, she's going to be just fine and you'll get to smoke the legend. she's just going to look a little funny for a while.

Jeez, sorry about your plants man. Alien Widow has explained it well though. I use fish emulsion during veg and orchid bloom for flowering. The plants seem to like both. I Like to use the KISS method and it works well for us. Happy growing !

Think she's dead. I'll wait for 12 hours . If she will not get up, l will execute her.. I'm not sorry for the plant , I'm sorry for my labor. But I'll never give up. I'm gonna grow this f*ckin plant. My second grow coming soon, with;

Biobizz Light Mix (f*ck All Mix)
I was using one bulb (HPS). I'm gonna buy 250w MH (for veg only)
Gonna use tap water (leave it for few days before watering. that will remove chlorine) not the bottled spring water or RO water because I don't want to mess with Ca, Mg and other vitamins minerals etc. I don't give a f*ck about PPM
I'm gonna buy pH Down and pH meter. Gonna hold the pH around 6.0-6.5
DINAFEM's OG Kush or White Widow again. I don't know. What do you recommend.
If she needs Mg. I'm gonna buy Epsom Salt. But I don't know where can I find Ca.

WeWantWeed said:

Drainage is not problem because I'm using Smart Pot



If the soil can hold pH so what are these nutrient deficiencies.. so much lock-outs.. I dont have calmag. I'm using Grow bottle, in the flowering stage I'm gonna use Bloom bottle.


Today I checked the plant and she doesn't look good. Leaves are not dry anymore, they are soft and looks like moist also there are some holes on leaves. I was flushed her 4 days ago and soil is little bit wet now. I think it's completely overwatered. White Widow.. wow she's hard to grow. Takes much time. I should buy Northern Lights and start from the beginning with 250w MH. I have no hope, I think she is dying.. Here's the pictures..

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dude did you pour the nutrients straight over the plant???? lol its not premixed!!!!

deffinitely looks like over watering for sure.

I check mine all by weight. I feel them at max capacity with water then over the next week let them dry out good to get a feel of no water feels like. When soils starts pulling from teh sides of the pot, i know she is getting almost to the point of dry enough to water. If she droops a bit due to no water, its easier to water and revive it, then to over water and be stuck with the moisture.

Pot is a bit larger for starting a small one. Start in solo cup, then move to 1 gal, then move to your last pot. Your 5gal pot isnt drying out enough.

Find some Grandma Unsulphured Molasses. That has 2% CA and MAG in it! Good stuff!

axeman916 said:

dude did you pour the nutrients straight over the plant???? lol its not premixed!!!!

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of course not. i mix my nutrient with water. then give it to plant.

Update:

I decided to kill the plant. Now she's dead. I'm gonna smoke her leaves See you next time on my second grow..

hahaaa damn i was joking, you didn't have to kill her... and your probably not gonna get high off the leafs bro

Too high pH I believe caused a lockout of nutrients and trace elements. Your plant showed signs and symptoms of several deficiencies. A good pH range for soil is 6.0 to 6.5 and for hydro is 5.5 to 6.0. Naturally, certain strains may do better slightly over or under that range. In soil the pH of the runoff is what you need to be testing because that is the pH your plant is uptaking. The pH needs to be on the acidic side.

Good luck with your next try. Don't give up. You will learn.

Here is helpful link.

http://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-symptoms-pictures

How were the leafs though ?