First time in soil

GrassCity Sucks · Jan 1, 2012

I also could have locked-up on you from over ferting.

If that's the case, then you'll have to get rid the soil and soak the rootball in a bubbller fulla plain water (??) Maybe, I've never given any plant more than it could take, so I've never had one lock-up on me.

GrassCity Sucks · Jan 1, 2012

Godspeed88 said:
Do you think it could be i transplanted from small round cups, straight to 3 litre pots, my seeds are potted straight into this mix as soon as i seen there tap i still have 10 seedlings in the cups that are thriving...

I still can't see the soil in the photos, reallly, but if it's an indoor environment, then I'd say your biggest risk would be (Next to overfeeding), soil that's far too wet. Outdoors, pots dry out alot faster, constant wind, the sun-baking the pots themselves get, ambient temps etc .. I've had small pots dry out in under an hour on a hot day. And Larger pots evaporate an a much higher rate to.

Indoors, you just don't have the heat and wind to evop off the moisture, so it's crucial you use a well draining mix to guard against water-logged, stale, fungus-laiden soil, and roots.

dannyboy602 · Jan 1, 2012

mb you need some lime in your mix. and some epsom salts. azomite (from amazon) and i'm liking some worm poop too.

Godspeed88 · Jan 4, 2012

Hey guys thanks for all the comments, there are alot of theory's going on here not sure what to make of it, though there might be standard procedures to enabling pros subtle problems...

Anyways I washed the root ball off and transplanted to plagron light mix, light fertilised this was into half litre pots to alot roots to rebuild nice again, roots rebuild in Agee days and by a week problems were still spreading, I uped night temps to 21*c and day are 26-27. Air exchange is 20 times an hour, there were signs of them being hungry so I fed them this soon cleared up, but the other problem still contiued so this is why I believe it to be a defiencie, I am using fish mix with tap water and have been told this is good stuff.

I refused to use dolmite lime and seems to be impossible to get cal mag with the stupid hydro shops here, so why do you guys think?

GoblinFarmer · Jan 4, 2012

wow. first people need to take pictures of the root zone when there is problems like this. don't be afraid to pull out the plant out of its holster (pot) and take a picture or two. Helps resolve many concerns. my theory is your plant was hungry, probably from roots filling up your pot and you burned with the food. pull it out, trim of dead roots, check for any funk in the roots, replant in some good soil mix, and water. no food until things look better.

Godspeed88 · Jan 4, 2012

Ok the roots were white an healthy but hardly even filled the 3 litre pots, iv washed off all soil and reported in light mix it's been a few weeks and still got problems. Kinda confusing.

Sunbiz1 · Jan 4, 2012

Godspeed88 said:
Ok the roots were white an healthy but hardly even filled the 3 litre pots, iv washed off all soil and reported in light mix it's been a few weeks and still got problems. Kinda confusing.

At this point, those poor plants have been through such hell I would leave them alone. Your original medium was burning your plants, and therefore you correctly changed it. Don't feed them anything, allow them proper recovery time...no fish mix.

These are weeds, not rare orchids...you're doing too much.

Xproject · Jan 4, 2012

The only thing left to check is the "tap water". But you said the plants in the cups were ok. :wall:

Switched mine to bottled spring water and it made a differnce.

wyteboi · Jan 4, 2012

how long have they been in that mix ?

how much did you feed them ? what food ?

after sunbiz sent me back to this thread , and i checked out your soil mix ...... it is a very very good organic soil and it should have plenty of food in it for a few weeks.

is does not look that bad at all. if its a "burn" then all you have to do is not feed anything but water for a while and see how she responds. those crispy tips aint gonna go away. its no big deal.

how often does she need watering ?

soil

wyteboi · Jan 4, 2012

Sunbiz1 said:
At this point, those poor plants have been through such hell I would leave them alone. Your original medium was burning your plants, and therefore you correctly changed it. Don't feed them anything, allow them proper recovery time...no fish mix.

These are weeds, not rare orchids...you're doing too much.

i believe you were correct and i was wrong.

still it woulda been very easy to fix , an now you replanted into worse dirt ? how much did they change in a few days?

that mix you had is great. it is heavy on organic foods , but your plant was plenty healthy enough to eat that up soon enough to not cause more damage.

like biz said just settle down an let them grow.

soil

Godspeed88 · Jan 5, 2012

Cool well from now on I'll just water usaly 3 - 4 days a time, iv read that all mix used to be good now it's problem central...?

Wetdog · Jan 5, 2012

Godspeed88 said:
I refused to use dolmite lime and seems to be impossible to get cal mag with the stupid hydro shops here, so why do you guys think?

And the reason for this is?

Dolomite lime supplies cal/mag in addition to keeping your pH buffered in the *sweet* range.

Not using lime in any peat based mix usually results in continual trips to 'problem central'.

YMMV

Wet

Godspeed88 · Jan 7, 2012

The reason is because i am now using a superior mix medium, and have much more controll over ph, and treating problems without it, and its a bit 80's style growing.

Plagron light mix is a peat based mix, you highly recomend adding dolmite lime, realy ?

wyteboi · Jan 7, 2012

Godspeed88 said:
iv read that all mix used to be good now it's problem central...?

the mixes havnt changed much at all . the labels on the foods have !

back in the 80's all we had was a few random mixes an general hydroponics. any random mix an GH will work great.

its now that all these labels on the back of the bottles claim this and that , an now there is this "organic outbreak" and all this "new" stuff requires more then just the directions on the bottle.

if you wanna go 80's then grab a bottle of gh micro/grow/bloom an it will work great in your mix once you get the diet dialed in on your species.

Godspeed88 said:
The reason is because i am now using a superior mix medium, and have much more controll over ph, and treating problems without it, and its a bit 80's style growing.

Plagron light mix is a peat based mix, you highly recomend adding dolmite lime, realy ?

you went from a "superior medium" to an alright medium. you lost most of your control over ph. the peat your using as a base holds a ph between 3-4.5 , with the added castings , it will help with the ph , but only for a short time.

you really need to add lime to that mix so your ph stays "right".
the bb all mix , you got rid of was made of soil , it would have held the proper ph for plenty of time.

when you read anything off the net , you have to do your own research to verify. thats just the way she goes.

just how bad is your tap water ? i dont like usin RO myself , there is just too much wasted water an nutes. i guess if your tap is really that bad then you dont have much choice.

soil

Wetdog · Jan 7, 2012

Godspeed88 said:
The reason is because i am now using a superior mix medium, and have much more controll over ph, and treating problems without it, and its a bit 80's style growing.

Plagron light mix is a peat based mix, you highly recomend adding dolmite lime, realy ?

I highly recommend adding dolomite or garden lime to ANY peat based mix and that's just about anything that comes in a bag.

Back in the 80's I was using Jack's Classic (Peters then), with pretty much the same peat based mix of my own that I use today and yes, I was adding lime. Chemical or organic, peat needs lime added.

Wet

Godspeed88 · Jan 8, 2012

wyteboi said:
the mixes havnt changed much at all . the labels on the foods have !

back in the 80's all we had was a few random mixes an general hydroponics. any random mix an GH will work great.

its now that all these labels on the back of the bottles claim this and that , an now there is this "organic outbreak" and all this "new" stuff requires more then just the directions on the bottle.

if you wanna go 80's then grab a bottle of gh micro/grow/bloom an it will work great in your mix once you get the diet dialed in on your species.

you went from a "superior medium" to an alright medium. you lost most of your control over ph. the peat your using as a base holds a ph between 3-4.5 , with the added castings , it will help with the ph , but only for a short time.

you really need to add lime to that mix so your ph stays "right".
the bb all mix , you got rid of was made of soil , it would have held the proper ph for plenty of time.

when you read anything off the net , you have to do your own research to verify. thats just the way she goes.

just how bad is your tap water ? i dont like usin RO myself , there is just too much wasted water an nutes. i guess if your tap is really that bad then you dont have much choice.

soil

Oh i have read and spoken to growers who were dedicated to using all mix that bio bizz partnered with an american company who cut corners and ever since there mix's have done nothing but cause head aiks.

Well as it is this all seems to be to much of a headaik concidering soil is supposed to be easier, "ph self buffered and all that" was only to have a few mothers in, sothing simple i can chuck a bit of food at trimm some leaves and water them wile i tend to my clone only hydro garden. Looks like a big mistake on my part in thinking soil would be a doddle, looks like ill have to dump them and crack out the rockwool.

Wetdog said:
I highly recommend adding dolomite or garden lime to ANY peat based mix and that's just about anything that comes in a bag.

Back in the 80's I was using Jack's Classic (Peters then), with pretty much the same peat based mix of my own that I use today and yes, I was adding lime. Chemical or organic, peat needs lime added.

Wet

Thanks guys for all your help, like i said before i just wanted a stable medium for some mothers, i have no much work to do on my other garden so messing with this soil business is not going to work.

Thanks again.

GrassCity Sucks · Jan 8, 2012

Why're you tryin' so hard to get the 'perfect soil' just for a few mother plants?

Bag of potting mix and a bag of perlite (I like the fine but whatever), Mix @ 3:1 (Potting Mix:Perlite), and fertilize once a week, and the plant will be fine. With perlite in your soil - also - you really never have to worry about the soil compacting, and it's impossible to 'over-water', cos so much air gets into such an open mix.

I'll get the camera out later and take some pics of the range of plants I have growing flawlessly in a pot in the Sun. Well, I hose em every day, but you can do that outside

I've seen a few posts now of ppl getting frustrated about their soil not hitting exactly 7.4 and bla-de bla, but your plant doesn't care about all that. All your plant cares about is soil it's sitting in is light enough to allow some aeration, and that it's heavy enough to hold it up. Obviously, temperature, nutrients, and the 5 limiting factors will be adjustable, but the soil is just a big sponge really, delivering solution to the plant.

I would steer away from peat for a standard soil-growing plant, but I tried a mostly peat mix xplanting a motherwort in flower the other day, I think peat's too.. moisture-retaining for my constant daily watering. I end up out there watering it just while I'm out there sometimes a few times a day, so I need fast drainage. Mm.. I'm wondering off point completely, I think, Hmm.

Anyway, I don't understand ya'll gettin all obsessed with your soil mix

Long as the roots are warm enough, getting nutrients and moisture and have something to allow airpockets within the structure of the soil, it'll be just FIIIINE.

Oh no! The phone... God I hate the phone. It's like someone telling me, "Oh bitch, get up and walk in here, good lad *pat*.. I usually refuse to answer the phone simply cos I object to having to stand up when a bell rings.

Monkeys do that, and I am no monkey

It's also an intrusion on your peace and quiet - those phones.. RIING RIIIIIIING ... RIING RI-I-I-I-I-ING Gawd, how I hate phones

wyteboi · Jan 9, 2012

if a lil dolomite scares you away from dirt , how do you do hydro ? dont you have to feed, water and ph everything ? then change the res once in a while ?

maybe im making things seem a lil harder then it really is...... im good at that.

just throw a lil lime and perlite in your mix and a all purpose time release fert and your good for 6 months or more with only water......or just use the same mix with whatever "veg food" you are already usin.

if you really want to , the all mix will be fine by itself .... just add food when needed. it really is that easy.

soil

Godspeed88 · Jan 9, 2012

GrassCity Sucks said:
Why're you tryin' so hard to get the 'perfect soil' just for a few mother plants?

Bag of potting mix and a bag of perlite (I like the fine but whatever), Mix @ 3:1 (Potting Mix:Perlite), and fertilize once a week, and the plant will be fine. With perlite in your soil - also - you really never have to worry about the soil compacting, and it's impossible to 'over-water', cos so much air gets into such an open mix.

I'll get the camera out later and take some pics of the range of plants I have growing flawlessly in a pot in the Sun. Well, I hose em every day, but you can do that outside

I've seen a few posts now of ppl getting frustrated about their soil not hitting exactly 7.4 and bla-de bla, but your plant doesn't care about all that. All your plant cares about is soil it's sitting in is light enough to allow some aeration, and that it's heavy enough to hold it up. Obviously, temperature, nutrients, and the 5 limiting factors will be adjustable, but the soil is just a big sponge really, delivering solution to the plant.

I would steer away from peat for a standard soil-growing plant, but I tried a mostly peat mix xplanting a motherwort in flower the other day, I think peat's too.. moisture-retaining for my constant daily watering. I end up out there watering it just while I'm out there sometimes a few times a day, so I need fast drainage. Mm.. I'm wondering off point completely, I think, Hmm.

Anyway, I don't understand ya'll gettin all obsessed with your soil mix

Long as the roots are warm enough, getting nutrients and moisture and have something to allow airpockets within the structure of the soil, it'll be just FIIIINE.

Oh no! The phone... God I hate the phone. It's like someone telling me, "Oh bitch, get up and walk in here, good lad *pat*.. I usually refuse to answer the phone simply cos I object to having to stand up when a bell rings.

Monkeys do that, and I am no monkey It's also an intrusion on your peace and quiet - those phones.. RIING RIIIIIIING ... RIING RI-I-I-I-I-ING Gawd, how I hate phones

Dude i am far from trying to get the "perfect soil mix" all i wanted is somthing to put them in and chuck some nutes at it, so far iv had and this is before adding any nutes i will add, burnt leaves, slow growth and a massive head aik. I read loads and loads of reviews that the light mix and fish mix is easy a perfect for a mother to thrive in, sorted pissed with all the recomended shit that iv brough and now got a bunch of strugling mother that will probable only produce weak offsprings but im not to bothered because its only a plant ffs just fustrating.

If id of known i could go buy a 5 pound bag of all purpose potting mix and volah perfect healthy mothers dont you think i would of done that ?

Lol

wyteboi said:
if a lil dolomite scares you away from dirt , how do you do hydro ? dont you have to feed, water and ph everything ? then change the res once in a while ?

maybe im making things seem a lil harder then it really is...... im good at that.

just throw a lil lime and perlite in your mix and a all purpose time release fert and your good for 6 months or more with only water......or just use the same mix with whatever "veg food" you are already usin.

if you really want to , the all mix will be fine by itself .... just add food when needed. it really is that easy.

soil

Hey bro not scared just had anoth of it now, the diffrence in my eyes with hydro is they grow in inert mediums were i have to add all the nutrients at the strength i kow they can handle, if there is a deficiency i know that its not my nutrient programme its another factor, ie ph, enviroment and i am able to adjust and correct the problem in a day or 2

Were as soil i dont know whats init i dont know the strength, ok it says it on the bag but after a week im blind to how much has been eaten and how much is left, some peole say they need feeds after 1 week some say 2, i have been told not to feed intill my leaf problem stops doing what its doing. 11 days now so fingers crossed all will be good in a week or so.

Thanks guys for the help heres a pick of my flower room all in 70/30 perlite/vermiculite 2 more weeks left on them.

wyteboi · Jan 9, 2012

Godspeed88 said:
so far iv had and this is before adding any nutes i will add, burnt leaves, slow growth and a massive head aik.

flower is beautiful ! if you can do that in water you can do it in dirt.

you kinda know how much a plant can/will eat , so if your mom is decent size and has been in the medium for a while , she is hungry. if you just put her in the dirt and she is "burnt" then dont feed , but no regular bag mix lasts for that long when she is decent size.

what looks like a burn can really be an overall def. treat the medium as if it was inert and your not gonna go wrong. most of the time you only worry about "burns" in the first week or two. after that you can treat it just like you do the other mix you use except the moisture level of course.
you'll know when to back off the food.

This info only applies to your situation.

soil :joint:

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