First Time PC Case Grow Random Bagseed

Hey DW.
Girls look fab. The yellow leaf is natural during flowering. Adding some extra N as ER says may help but the plants don't seem to take up much N at this stage. I found that adding the 6500K light at this stage helped slow down the yellowing, but if temps won't support an extra light, stick with the 2700's to get the most out of the buds.

16x16 should be ok with 125 or 250 depending on the heat the case can dissipate, but 80 inches seems tall. Are you just vegging in there?
To penetrate the canopy you may want to consider a 150 MH.

ElephantRider said:

Kendra's yellow leaf.. she need some N, maybe? I know the FoxFarm chart recommends some N in the later weeks to give it some energy for flush.

Lookin' awesome! Those bus are about to blow up! Also, Shack's got a great idea. I feed all of my plants molasses and agave nectar mixed in with water for any drinks that are non-nuted. The sugar helps load weight on.

What else.. considered ghetto co2? I keep putting it off, but it's on the agenda.

And for lights.. as much as possible, so.. the 200W, for certain! Glad to see you sticking to the CFLs instead of going to the dark side.

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Alright fine ele ill look into molaases today asway as co2! how much molasses do you use? thanks for all the pointers always appreciated. and all always stick with cfl i aing hardcore enough for anything else.

blazedkiwi said:

My hat goes off to you sir, congrats from new zealand. this thread has finally made me get my lazy ass onto building my pc box. Im in the beginnings of my 2nd grow,first realattempt. I have done outdoors, but having a blast playing god with my indoor op. Ive decided to go back to school and do a cert in horticulture, so thanks to you and RIU for the inspiration. Would love it if you wandered over to my grow and give me a 2nd opinion (its in my sig).

hey blazed thanks for the comment im glad i could inspire you! and for sure ill definetly check out your grow thanks for the +rep by the way.

Thanks again dude,

Best of luck to you sub +rep

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Shackleford.R said:

wowza ka-powza! nedra is looking awesome! i say a carbo load is all kendra would need, nedra could benefit but doesn't look like she needs it as much.
I went hydro so I wouldn't really have to think about it, but like 2 or 3 times a week checking pH and water level and such. would say its easy to keep up with a watering/nute schedule for soil grown?

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yah shack as much as i would like to give DWC a try the constant checking and changing of water and everything id be kind of pissed off. i do enjoy my soil lol though my whole room smells like a nursery. lol

Shackleford.R said:

oh and "THATS A HUGE BITCH!!" deuce bigalow is awesome! so is most anything that references it.

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lol glad you liked that shack

BudTinsley said:

Shit man. Looks great. Cant wait to see the outcome. Keep the updates coming.

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Thanks Bud, update coming soon.

v12xjs said:

Hey DW.
Girls look fab. The yellow leaf is natural during flowering. Adding some extra N as ER says may help but the plants don't seem to take up much N at this stage. I found that adding the 6500K light at this stage helped slow down the yellowing, but if temps won't support an extra light, stick with the 2700's to get the most out of the buds.

16x16 should be ok with 125 or 250 depending on the heat the case can dissipate, but 80 inches seems tall. Are you just vegging in there?
To penetrate the canopy you may want to consider a 150 MH.

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sorry v i dont know if i hit 80 inch or not but i mean 30 its going to be a two sided stealth cab each side with be roughly 16x16x30 so i think ill go with the 250w cfl and DIY cool tube it, ill try toss a 6500k in there im worried about heat but not i need to leave the case side off because it gets way to hot so ill have to put growing in the case on hold after this because it wont make it through summer but my new cab should be okay with the cool tube so itll be my main focus as always i appreciate the comment


UPDATE IN 10 MIN.

yeah.. don't bother w/ dwc. I've read plenty of times that many of the mendocino growers in cali are even moving to organic soil, since it tastes far better. Sure, you can get more weight faster from hydro, but organic soil's where it's at.

Also, I use a bit of molasses in a 2L flip-top glass jug. I dunno.. a few teaspoons? For that, I just sorta eyeball it. I also tossed some agave nectar in there, since I had it. Maybe a 4 second gentle pour of each?

i've tried the sugar/yiest method, it worked to produce CO2 but was also good at making mold grow around the soil ant pots... check out my outdoor grow

Day 55 - 16 May/09 - Plants
Lights: 4 x 23w 2700k CFL
Light Cycle: 12/12
Temp: 81.3

Pic 1-4: heres looking freaken amazing that top bud it forming so beautifuly my god its a masterpiece. theres not much of a planty smell left its turning skinky a bit im sick so i couldnt tell your for sure... but she is looking also sont know what else to say!

Pic 5-8: here kendra looking beautiful on the side lol, the top must have, i mean was totaly to close to the lights and it stunted pistil growth i believe, she aswell is not long smelling planty but skunky, im glad shes bounced back!

ElephantRider said:

yeah.. don't bother w/ dwc. I've read plenty of times that many of the mendocino growers in cali are even moving to organic soil, since it tastes far better. Sure, you can get more weight faster from hydro, but organic soil's where it's at.

Also, I use a bit of molasses in a 2L flip-top glass jug. I dunno.. a few teaspoons? For that, I just sorta eyeball it. I also tossed some agave nectar in there, since I had it. Maybe a 4 second gentle pour of each?

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alright ele ill get molasses today and give it to them next non nute feed, aswell after this grow im going organic aswell, seems like a much better idea.

axisofevil said:

i've tried the sugar/yiest method, it worked to produce CO2 but was also good at making mold grow around the soil ant pots... check out my outdoor grow

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hey axis thanks for the comment yah ill look into CO2 if i stop being lazy and ill definetly check out your outdoor grow and feel free to check out mine.

alittle update i bought molasses and i will give the girls alittle feeding of that tomorrow with a non-nuted solution. do you guys truely nice a big diffrence when going molasses? thanks

Read up before you use it.
It isn't something I use.

will do v. thanks for the warning

i've never used it either. as with all advice given and recieved on RIU take it with a grain of salt.
...actually i think it's a salt and molasses mix, maybe some cumin or paprika... KIDDING!
it's something i've heard the soil growers really dig for carbo loading their nugs and adding a little weight.
i have zero evidence/proof/facts about it, either than a few one liners dropped here and there on the forum.

by the way, not to let you down, BUT i'm going aerogarden on my next grow, not PC like i had originally planned, i have one lying around that i got for a birthday a few years ago. bet mom and dad never knew i'd use it for this! haha, actually they probably did. anyhow, new pics look awesome!



Nice cola!! i'm no good at guessing, is that as fat as a finger, or more like a big toe? either way, definitely starting to bulk up my friend.
and happy growing.

hey shack yah that buds almost as thick as my thumb and good news on both, ive noticed a light frosting in areas

WOW! That looked awesome, man. I can't believe the growth of that cola in 2 days!! Bravo!

As far as molasses goes, I can't agree more.. read. I use it because I've read it helps on taste, weight and frost production. Hydro dudes use it, too, btw. I've not read anything bad about it yet, either. Of course, I'm no seasoned vet, either. If I notice an issue with it, I'll stop using it.

thanks for the comment ele, and well i fucked up and bought what said molasses on it but everyone is saying blackstrap molasses is what i need so i fucked up, need to try find this other stuff. ill post an update after work, yeah im working on a long weekend, how not cool.

Yeah.. blackstrap is the way to go, as I understand it. Supposedly, different sugars will effect the taste differently. I've even heard of some people running with Kool-Aid!! That sounds plain wrong, to me.

Hey ER. I thought it was a no-no for hydro as it gummed up the pumps.

As far as I can work out, molasses is a soil conditioner and not a plant food.
Wiki it. It mentions one but not the other for some reason. Here's the RIU FAQ section that deals with it:
https://www.rollitup.org/view.php?pg=faq&cmd=article&id=158

That text is all over the web and is the usual one to prove it's use, but just read it. There is no scientific analysis and it doesn't even say that it worked for them! It simply states that 1 product they bought smelled like molasses and said 'derived from molasses' on the label. Funny enough, the NPK of that product was 3-1-5 but I thought molasses was 1-0-5, so it can't be raw molasses anyway!
When used as a soil conditioner in soil that needs conditioning it makes sense that it will give better yields and that could be mistaken for a sign that the plant is using it directly, but I doubt this is the case.
Try mixing some up in water and leaving it for 24 hours. Much of the molasses comes out of solution. The longer you leave it the more comes out. I don't think that is a good thing to be feeding to my plants.
Just my 2 cents.

I started a molasses phenomena! Haha! Maybe I shouldn't have opened my mouth. However, this conversation may have never occurred. Hope your grows are going well.

I'm in the works of prepping for an AeroGarden grow I'm starting probably the end of this month. I have a thread started for it, showing some modifications I'm doing to the unit before I start. Check my sig for the link.

Let me know what you work out with the molasses...

and happy growing

ive worked it out... fuck the molasses!

Day 57 - 18 May/09 - Plants
Lights: 4 x 23w 2700k CFL
Light Cycle: 12/12
Temp: 81.2

Pics 1-4: here nedra looking great! nice little frosted sites, you wont be able to see it at the moment becuase my lense dont zoom enough. but everything looks great!

Pic 5-8: kendra looking good shes slowly losing fan leaves from the bottom up as we get deeper into flower but its no biggy everything looks great!

oh my d-dub! pic 3 has me sailvating! congrats. i think you are going to have a VERY respectable personal harvest!

thanks shack im glad you think so and i really hope your right. im excited for my new cab im drawing the design up it'll be producing like 4-6 nedras at a time mmm