Fiscal cliff impact on milk prices

Fungus Gnat

Fungus Gnat

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NoDrama said:
If that were true then the price of corn should be the lowest ever. Oh wait, its the highest ever. Hmm, must mean that your theory is full of holes and cannot hold water.
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Even with one of the worst droughts in memory we still produce more corn than we use. Without subsidies there is no incentive for so many to grow so much corn and under cut their profit. The same way natural gas suppliers stopped drilling because they were cutting into their profits...if they were subsidized they would continue to produce as much gas as possible.

Government subsidies for grains go mostly to companies like Monsanto and General Mills, not to your average vegetable farmer.
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"Direct payments are tied directly to acreage; the largest farms get the largest subsidies."
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/08/2012826114433916589.html
 
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NoDrama

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Fungus Gnat said:
Even with one of the worst droughts in memory we still produce more corn than we use. Without subsidies there is no incentive for so many to grow so much corn and under cut their profit. The same way natural gas suppliers stopped drilling because they were cutting into their profits...if they were subsidized they would continue to produce as much gas as possible.


"Direct payments are tied directly to acreage; the largest farms get the largest subsidies."
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/08/2012826114433916589.html
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Here is a picture of my farm.
You can't see all 1320 acres of it. The reason I grow corn is because the government has seen fit to basically force you to buy my product either through ethanol in fuel or corn byproducts in your food. They subsidize it because they want you to pay for their alternative energy plan. Which you do. Thanks, that fat check at the end of the year is due to people just like you, I appreciate it.
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NoDrama

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ChesusRice said:
Something to do with a drought and ethanol?
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So you are trying to say that the price of corn is due to a shortage in supply and a giant boost in demand at the same time and its not caused by government? If government isn't providing the demand through Ethanol who is?

According to this chart we must have started the drought back in 2008 if what you are saying is the explanation, cuz we had ethanol in fuel long before that.
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Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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I hope milk goes to $10/gallon too, then I can look like I'm just cheap when I buy soy and almond milk. "Yeah, stuff tastes like shit, but who can afford real milk?"
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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Canna Sylvan said:
I hope milk goes to $10/gallon too, then I can look like I'm just cheap when I buy soy and almond milk. "Yeah, stuff tastes like shit, but who can afford real milk?"
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I'll just get a share in a dairy cow. Saves me the trouble of getting raped that severely for any "milk". Ah, the wonders of rural communities...
 
Totoe

Totoe

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It is not only milk prices that will rise, milk is just one example. All food prices will rise. I am kind of interested to see how this will play out. I have a very liberal friend, who has wanted to the pubs to cut food stamps, and food prices to rise so that poor people will start starving. He then thinks that the poor will revolt a la french revolution. I doubt it would happen, but he seems adamant that it should. I figure the goverment would just have the military mow down revolters myself. Especially, when you factor in that malnourished people aren't the best at fighting.
 
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NoDrama

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Totoe said:
It is not only milk prices that will rise, milk is just one example. All food prices will rise. I am kind of interested to see how this will play out. I have a very liberal friend, who has wanted to the pubs to cut food stamps and food prices to rise so that poor people will start starving. He then thinks that the poor will revolt a la french revolution. I doubt it would happen, but he seems adamant that it should. I figure the goverment would just have the military mow down revolters myself. Especially when you factor in that malnourished people arent the best at fighting.
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Hungry people are twice as strong as fat and happy ones.
 
Totoe

Totoe

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I would agree to an extent, once malnutrition sets in, they can go downhill fairly quickly.
 
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NoDrama

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Totoe said:
I would agree to an extent, once malnutrition sets in, they can go downhill fairly quickly.
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Let me tell ya what happens, hordes of hungry people are roving around looking for a place like yours to break down the door and take whatever you have. You think they are just going to sit around and starve? Hell no, they will kill you so they can take your food and feed themselves and their families. Much easier to kill those unable to defend themselves than to try and take down the military. BTW the military will not attack US Citizens in their own country. Oh sure , there might be a few who go ape shit and follow orders, but the majority of military would not comply with those unconstitutional orders.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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NoDrama said:
Let me tell ya what happens, hordes of hungry people are roving around looking for a place like yours to break down the door and take whatever you have. You think they are just going to sit around and starve? Hell no, they will kill you so they can take your food and feed themselves and their families. Much easier to kill those unable to defend themselves than to try and take down the military. BTW the military will not attack US Citizens in their own country. Oh sure , there might be a few who go ape shit and follow orders, but the majority of military would not comply with those unconstitutional orders.
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Oh yeah, cos all those soldiers fighting abroad without Congressional Approval care so much about the specifics of the Constitution.

Cool story bro!
 
Totoe

Totoe

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NoDrama said:
Let me tell ya what happens, hordes of hungry people are roving around looking for a place like yours to break down the door and take whatever you have. You think they are just going to sit around and starve? Hell no, they will kill you so they can take your food and feed themselves and their families. Much easier to kill those unable to defend themselves than to try and take down the military. BTW the military will not attack US Citizens in their own country. Oh sure , there might be a few who go ape shit and follow orders, but the majority of military would not comply with those unconstitutional orders.
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Unless, the roving hordes get labelled as some type of separatist threat to national security, particularly when the rabble starts wanting to overthrow the goverment. I doubt any of it would happen. Any goverment administrator worth his salt should know that bread and circuses are needed to placate the throngs of unwashed peasants.
 
canndo

canndo

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NoDrama said:
The Free market cannot be personified, nice try though. Well it really wasn't a nice try, it was actually very intellectually lazy of you.

Didn't you know that the market is a person, his name is Free Market and he is racist, misogynistic and greedy. Oh yeah and he runs the whole world.
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NoDrama? are you really that unaware? Institutions always exhibit some of the traits of individuals. The free market has exhibited such a thing and you know it. What I said happens to reflect history. Or do you not recall the "free market" that involved the buying and selling of people - not just any people but black people.
 
canndo

canndo

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NoDrama said:
LOL Educate us on the damage Milk does to people. I suppose if I drink a glass of whole milk I will instantly be consumed by fire? Dropped from a great height? struck down by lightning? Which one of these great calamities will transpire If I drink milk? Perhaps a horde of Locusts?
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What is this process with you NoDrama? in your world it is all or nothing, it happens instantly or it will never happen at all. Any trend that you spot must run on into the future with no changes or variances. No, a single glass of milk will not kill anyone any more than a single cigarette will. but man was never designed to drink the bodily fluids of another animal. Cow's milk is for.. baby cows. It contains hormones that are not good for people, it contains cholesterol and fat and puss. Mankind has always had problems with milk, a significant portion of man is lactose intolerant - and that is not without reason. Cow's milk is not good for humans.
 
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