Fist LED grow

FranJan

FranJan

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So what do you think of your nodal spaces compared to HPS? They look very tight. Is that normal for LSD, (It's an all LSD grow, right?). I ask because to me that means that panel has a good sized footprint for flowering. In other words, if you wanted to, you could raise your panel and gain grow space without losing the panel's effectiveness, though I guess that's not a problem for you, but it makes it an interesting panel to me. Great journal btw. And plants! :)
 
Slipon

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FranJan said:
So what do you think of your nodal spaces compared to HPS? They look very tight. Is that normal for LSD, (It's an all LSD grow, right?). I ask because to me that means that panel has a good sized footprint for flowering. In other words, if you wanted to, you could raise your panel and gain grow space without losing the panel's effectiveness, though I guess that's not a problem for you, but it makes it an interesting panel to me. Great journal btw. And plants! :)
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I just love the Nod space, so tight, compared to the HPS, and barley no stretch, well maybe half of what I got with the 600W HPS

and yes its LSD witch is a compact plant to start with, but the LEDs just take it to the next level IMO

and I actually just raised the panel a bit from 12 to 14 inch`s (Bud site`s have grow up a few) been told 15-20" is about where you want it for flowering but I more use my light meter and common sense (look for light bleach or light/heat stress) and try to keep em with in +5K ft candles

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sure I could probably keep it at 20" and get more foot print, but no need really, I can easily keep my two plants under it and the lower light also means more strong light to the low Bud site`s and I rather have that
 
Slipon

Slipon

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day 26

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Bud`s really growing now, set`s much more Bud stand`s and sugar leaves then with the 2100K HPS, if they just fill out and get as dense as with the HPS in the last few week`s it will rock :D
 
FranJan

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Looks like there's a lot of growth left from the color of the pistils, no? I'm starting to like Fero Bulldogs quite a bit. I run a Vipar and it seems the European panel makers are very competitive with price and growing ability. Most panel makers/dealers in the States are either trying to pass some Chinese panels off as the real deal or just packing panels with CREEs (no offense EH :)). I mean there a are good ones but prices can be steep. The Europeans seem to be doing some actual growing and seeing what works. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from what I've been seeing.

Any flash/white light photos of your plants in the future?
 
Slipon

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leme try, hard with the LEDs on, it mostly come out to bright with the flash on


here is some that is a bit brighter

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best two out of 20 :D
 
Slipon

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p.s.

still only half way, so still 4 week`s left or so, next two the Bud`s will swell up and last two they will mature and hopefully get really dense and ripped
 
Slipon

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more then worth it, they can easily compete with HIDs

just another way of growing, less heat but also less light converges, plants need to be right under the LEDs, tho penetration is great 2-3 ft down, as good as my 600W HPS

Im running like half the power as I did with my HPS set up, and it could easily look like I will yield more then half, and for sure better quality
 
Slipon

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day 27 (tomorrow they have been flowering for 4 week`s so "half way")

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watering day for both to day, lot`s of clean water for both, molasses for the small one, epsom salt for the big one, no nut`s to day

also summer on its way :D to day it will get up to 80F first "real" summer day

right now its +75F outdoors, but I can still keep it around 80-82F under the LEDs and we just passed non here in Denmark and sun is getting on the other side of my building so I guess this is about it :D = LEDs really make a minimum heat print, maybe a few degree fahrenheit more then Ambi. Temperatures, much better then the 600W HPS even with a cool hood on it
 
Slipon

Slipon

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fist light at day 28 last day of week 4

noteble that the Big one is a few day`s ahead now, but both look nice and healthy :D

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Bud`s really begin to fill in :D

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and get more and more frosty :D

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my Veg plant also really begin to fill in, and still 3-4 week`s left of Veg for it :D will repot it from the 4 gallon to a 7 gallon with in the next week


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still have to decide if Im going to flower that alone or if Im going to put one of the other 2 I have going (not worth pic`s) a small clone I pruned from the big one in flowering, did take it just before 12/12 so 4 week`s old, just rooted in clean water with H2O2 so did take two week`s to build some good root`s for a cup of soil, is also ready for a bigger pot now, or one I have had a bit of fun with in a 5L hempy bucket, still trying to learn, I put what ever look the most healthy, if any of em, time will tell


Slip
 
Slipon

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anybody know how this will work ?

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3W cree LEDs either 3 or 4 in each, I seen some draw 6/8W and some 9/12W and most have both WW/CW/NW to choose from, is they worth anything ?

I see they mostly produce 500-700 Lumens and have a life time on 10,000 hrs

here is a link:

http://www.dhgate.com/10pieces-high-power-gu10-led-3x3w-9w-dimmable/p-ff808081336e3ac40133778f8aff3fc7.html#s1-7-1

anybody with experience with em ? Im sure I saw somebody in here use em for Veg ?

like to know how they preform and if they etc get hot aso

Im thinking, Im a metal smith, if they really are 20-30$ for 10 piece`s I could easily put some DIY fixture together cheap, sure 10K hrs its as much as my 50K life time as my fixture is suppose to last ? but if I easily and cheap can changes the bulbs 10K is plenty and nice if I want to changes spectrum, Im just concerned with stuff like heat if I put 20-30 of them in a DIY alu/metal fixture and if they actually preform as well as other 3W LEDs ?

could be fun to do sumthing like this

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please tell me what flaws you see and if I missed sumthing ? and what kind of cooling if any is needed ?
 
FranJan

FranJan

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Just remember Slip to make sure the "CREE" bulbs you buy are based on their more current models i.e. XP-G/XT-E, so you get the best bang for your buck, efficiency wise, which seems to be best with whites. Plus this will help tell if you're getting CREEs or not. Don't worry about binning with bulbs, unless you decide to make your own custom bulbs from those LED bulb kits on Alibaba.com. Something tells me most companies selling those bulbs don't have too much control of the grade of LED they sell. And I'm a big fan of how CWs work in veg but some red/FR seems to be needed for stimulating root growth, so maybe the right WWs or some FR bulbs to help the CWs. Anyway, Best of Luck with your choices.
 
Chronikool

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Slipon said:
anybody know how this will work ?

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3W cree LEDs either 3 or 4 in each, I seen some draw 6/8W and some 9/12W and most have both WW/CW/NW to choose from, is they worth anything ?

I see they mostly produce 500-700 Lumens and have a life time on 10,000 hrs

here is a link:

http://www.dhgate.com/10pieces-high-power-gu10-led-3x3w-9w-dimmable/p-ff808081336e3ac40133778f8aff3fc7.html#s1-7-1

anybody with experience with em ? Im sure I saw somebody in here use em for Veg ?

like to know how they preform and if they etc get hot aso

Im thinking, Im a metal smith, if they really are 20-30$ for 10 piece`s I could easily put some DIY fixture together cheap, sure 10K hrs its as much as my 50K life time as my fixture is suppose to last ? but if I easily and cheap can changes the bulbs 10K is plenty and nice if I want to changes spectrum, Im just concerned with stuff like heat if I put 20-30 of them in a DIY alu/metal fixture and if they actually preform as well as other 3W LEDs ?

could be fun to do sumthing like this

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please tell me what flaws you see and if I missed sumthing ? and what kind of cooling if any is needed ?
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I used a couple of these CW's over top of my seedlings in my 1st LED whirl... Worked well.

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Only drew about 4-5 (actual) watts and they are not using real Crees in there. The 12w ones you have pictured there are a better design then the (3 x 3) But even the '12 watters' are drawing 4-6 watts.

And the lumens they mention are inflated to the max! Probably closer to 180-250 at a guess. They will get a bit warm.

So in my experience...they will work, but the reliability will be down. At that price though....its worth a go. :)
 
Slipon

Slipon

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ahh yes, thanks, I did notice some was on 500ish lumens and some on +700 and some run on 500ma and some on 700 so yes I will of course try to get the most bang for my bucks and the best quality, also why Im looking at cree, there are others as well, if I decide to go future with this I will of course do some research ..

lets see I like the idea that I can build the case for nothing, and I don't need any specially skills to fit all the bulb`s and they are easy to changes

if output and preferment match more expensive once I can live with the fact that they "only" last 3 years instead of 5-10

Im still concerned by heat tho, they must make some and if I trow 30 in to a box Im wondering, but I guess a few PC fans or a good quality bathroom ventilation could fix that maybe with some aluminum profiles added to the fixture/case as a heat sink

and they could be build cheap just 4 power rails 28 bulbs and some wire and a plug and I can probably cover +3x2ft with 200-250W
 
Slipon

Slipon

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Chronikool said:
I used a couple of these CW's over top of my seedlings in my 1st LED whirl... Worked well.

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Only drew about 4-5 (actual) watts and they are not using real Crees in there. The 12w ones you have pictured there are a better design then the (3 x 3) But even the '12 watters' are drawing 4-6 watts.

And the lumens they mention are inflated to the max! Probably closer to 180-250 at a guess. They will get a bit warm.

So in my experience...they will work, but the reliability will be down. At that price though....its worth a go. :)
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ty

I guess ordering 10 pieces wouldn't hurt, then I could also do as I do with every thing it seem`s, try it out for myself and see how it work`s

could get 10x5000K and make a small Veg fixture and see before getting myself in to a 28 bulb flowering fixture the experience would also be nice before using more money

and yes I guess I will look for the 12W I also notice that some 9W run at 6,5W but I guess its like with the fixtures ? I have 120x3W = 360W but my actual draw is like 288W or so

but yes I rater give 0,20€ more a pice and get quality, if that is possible ?
 
Chronikool

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