Five myths about immigration

Parker, you really make it too easy.

"It is a known fact that lower income people receive more in benefits than they pay in"

10 percent of the US pays for 90 percent of the taxes, so unless you belong to this elite group of people, then you too are being a drain.


Anyways, I quite frankly dont care about the ones being paid under the table. less than half of AMERICAN CITIZENS pay their income taxes, while the social security admin and IRS believe that up to 75% of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS pay... so whose the criminal?


http://news.jornal.us/article-4671.Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-Billion-in-Taxes--Immigration-Reform-could-be-the-reason---Video.html

"Officially, the Social Security Administration estimates that about seventy five percent (75%) of illegal workers contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare by paying taxes."

"In 2005 the agency estimates that on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, about $9 billion in taxes was paid."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24054024/

"Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year"

"But one indicator is the 9 million W-2 forms with mismatched names and Social Security numbers it received in 2004. The IRS said the W-2 forms with invalid Social Security numbers reported about $53 billion in wages and about three-fourths of that, $40 billion in wages, had taxes withheld."

how are they "using up welfare" when according to yours and my my very own government they're paying far more taxes than recieving?


Keep living in your Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs "lets blame everything on illegals" fantasy land.

There were 16,000 murders
50+ percent divorce rate (the single biggest commonality most drug addicts, burglars, rapists, abusive spouses...ect. had in common was growing up in single parent homes)
people are losing their homes
we're in debt beyond belief
tuition keeps rising much faster than inflation
we're losing Americans from two wars
high pregnancy rates
high drop out rates
failing financial institutions
STD epidemic (half of all female african American females, a third of Hispanic women, and a quarter of caucasian women! have an STD)


and WHAT are the conservative bigots rallying around? Hard working immigrants. Really is as pathetic as it sounds.

ejo said:

Parker, you really make it too easy.

"It is a known fact that lower income people receive more in benefits than they pay in"

10 percent of the US pays for 90 percent of the taxes, so unless you belong to this elite group of people, then you too are being a drain.

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lol what an idiotic conclusion
Out of that 90 percent are you saying those people are receiving more than they pay in? That is what the point is. You make it too easy to refute what you say.

ejo said:

Anyways, I quite frankly dont care about the ones being paid under the table. less than half of AMERICAN CITIZENS pay their income taxes, while the social security admin and IRS believe that up to 75% of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS pay... so whose the criminal?

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Believe they do? You hang your hat on "Believe they do" and call it a fact. LMAO

ejo said:

http://news.jornal.us/article-4671.Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-Billion-in-Taxes--Immigration-Reform-could-be-the-reason---Video.html

"Officially, the Social Security Administration estimates that about seventy five percent (75%) of illegal workers contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare by paying taxes."

"In 2005 the agency estimates that on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, about $9 billion in taxes was paid."

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So according to you the legals whose jobs were stolen would not pay those taxes???? I guess you believe the legals who now have to receive assistance, no one pays for that. It's all free money!!!!!!

ejo said:

"Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it.

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Your entire argument is the amount of taxes illegals pay and your own source does not know. LMAO thanks for proving my point

ejo said:

gibberish gibberish gibberish

and WHAT are the conservative bigots rallying around? Hard working immigrants. Really is as pathetic as it sounds.

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Here we go. When all else fails bring out the race card and make up things. lmao that's weak, but doesn't surprise me coming from you.

btw keep ignoring the drain they cause on our education and medical system

You don't have a medical system to speak of, fucktard. Just private insurance.

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lol what an idiotic conclusion
Out of that 90 percent are you saying those people are receiving more than they pay in? That is what the point is. You make it too easy to refute what you say.

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What he is saying is that YOU are a drain on the tax system because you are not in the top 10% of earners in America. If you really, really want the rich to keep everything they "make" and end public services as we know it, fine. I'll see you in SOMALIA.

You idiots wouldn't last one day under "real" capitalism, because you have no capital. Whatever job you do, somebody can be paid food wages to do it cheaper.

We don't have to resort to name calling just because we don't agree with someone...I try to respect someone elses right to their own opinion when it's different than mine.
We will all be under one world government soon so try and get along

If they pull the shit they're pulling in California, in my city... I'm considering them invaders of my land and will start some long range target practice.

Just try coming to my city and burning/stomping on my country's flag, oh lordy lordy I pray you forgive them for they know not what they do.

I'm telling you what the IRS believes, you can't get much clearer than that. Better than the internet rumours you guys were circulating as fact. Pathetic. If they believe they're paying taxes, then I'm sure they're paying taxes (since they are afterall the organization in charge of such information)... and if they're paying taxes then how can they be a drain? A little critical thinking can go a long ways sir.

Anyways, what you call gibberish, is what the US really faces.16000 murders is gibberish? Well I think your bigotry towards these immigrants is retarded especially considering the other dozen issues more important to the country.

BFSKINNER said:

You don't have a medical system to speak of, fucktard. Just private insurance.

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What he is saying is that YOU are a drain on the tax system because you are not in the top 10% of earners in America. If you really, really want the rich to keep everything they "make" and end public services as we know it, fine. I'll see you in SOMALIA.

You idiots wouldn't last one day under "real" capitalism, because you have no capital. Whatever job you do, somebody can be paid food wages to do it cheaper.

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Thanks for explaining it in a way only someone with no understanding of how a free market system works would. "Food wages"? lmao Businesses would not attract quality workers if that were the case.

ejo said:

I'm telling you what the IRS believes, you can't get much clearer than that. Better than the internet rumours you guys were circulating as fact. Pathetic. If they believe they're paying taxes, then I'm sure they're paying taxes (since they are afterall the organization in charge of such information)... and if they're paying taxes then how can they be a drain? A little critical thinking can go a long ways sir.

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Like I said you are unable to take the thought process to the next level. All you have shown is illegals are paying some taxes. (the very same taxes legals would pay if the crooked employers would hire legals)
You continue to ignore the FACT that LEGAL workers would be paying those wages.
You continue to ignore the FACT that that legals are now forced to receive government assistance because of the artificial low wages illegals cause.
You continue to ignore the FACT that the poor (low wage illegals are an example) receive more than they pay into the system.
You continue to ignore the FACT about the problems illegals and their anchor babies cause in our Education field and hospitals.
You continue to ignore the FACT that the IRS has no clue as to what percentage of illegals are getting paid under the table.

ejo said:

Anyways, what you call gibberish, is what the US really faces.16000 murders is gibberish? Well I think your bigotry towards these immigrants is retarded especially considering the other dozen issues more important to the country.

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Once again when all else fails play the race. But then again I didn't vote for Obama so I must be racist.

Parker said:

Thanks for explaining it in a way only someone with no understanding of how a free market system works would. "Food wages"? lmao Businesses would not attract quality workers if that were the case.

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In a free market system capital decides where and when things are produced for greatest efficiency of capital. What I was suggesting was that a true free market system would see almost every labour job go overseas to africa or asia where people will literally work for food and genuine slaves are fairly easy to be had.

I was talking about agriculture, specifically. I've worked on farms as a kid, they don't really give a fuck about attracting "quality workers" they just need someone to pick the tomatoes.

Basically, true free markets= no more food production whatsoever in NA.

"You continue to ignore the FACT that LEGAL workers would be paying those wages. "

-And according to the IRS, not at the same rate as illegal immigrants.

"You continue to ignore the FACT that that legals are now forced to receive government assistance because of the artificial low wages illegals cause. "

-Way to undermind legal workers. As if its somehow impossible to find another skilled or low skilled position? Not all jobs' wages are going down... and not every lowered wage is due to illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants make up only like what 3-5 percent of the population? A third of those children or mothers that cant work? Are you telling me that the 1 person out of 20 which is mostly employed in low paying jobs as it is is bringing down wages for the other 19 people in their high paying jobs? Good job knowing nothing about economics.

"You continue to ignore the FACT that the poor (low wage illegals are an example) receive more than they pay into the system. "

-273 million out of the 310 million Americans recieve more benefits than they pay... I'm pretty sure you and I are also guilty of this. Are you going to kick yourself out for being a drain on the economy? Thats a Fact.

"You continue to ignore the FACT about the problems illegals and their anchor babies cause in our Education field and hospitals. "

-You continue to ignore the fact that your own government says that they're paying billions into the tax system without ever getting benefits in return, making your point moot.

"You continue to ignore the FACT that the IRS has no clue as to what percentage of illegals are getting paid under the table."

and they know that over half of Americans don't pay necessary taxes, while they have reason to believe that up to 75 percent of illegal immigrants do. If illegal immigrants were such a drain don't you think the fucking IRS would be the first organizaton to release this information?


So, all the real problems the US faces are gibberish... you go on rants about illegal immigrants with mostly half trues and lies... and you wonder why you're being called a bigot? Classic.

stop tying to say illigals are cool they are illigal and we want them out. go to mexico if you like foriegn nationals so much. you are a MINORITY opinion in this country, the majority says you are wrong and a lier. your just going to have to deal with it my friend


we are going to win

Why is this the only law in America that's OK to brake? How is that fair to the people who are going thru the system legally to become US citizens?
Personally I wouldn't mind giving them amnesty as long as the border was sealed before. My biggest concern with the boarders is not so much the mexicans comming across but WHO ELSE IS SNEAKING ACROSS? We don't know and that is bullsheet.

I wonder how Canada would feel if us Americans started sworming across the border to live there?
What is Mexico's penalty for illegals? 2 years in a dirt floor prison and then if you live removal from their country.

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