"Fk the NRA"

L30nPh3lps

L30nPh3lps

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Fogdog said:
Doesn't matter who you were talking to, what Buck said is true. Democrats did not control government during most of Obama's presidency.
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Your point taken and my point clarified underneath, where was the effort to do these things that are now somehow the grand failures of current government?
 
Fogdog

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L30nPh3lps said:
Accurate, i think what scares people the most is that things like that rarely happen all at once, they are chipped away until there is nothing left and eventually without proposing a gun ban, guns are effectively banned, now i dont totally agree thats where we’re headed but the slippery slope is concerning to a lot of people including me, also would set a great precedent to the removal of other rights, which is something none of us want
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The old slippery slope argument. We can't ban sales of the most efficient and most often used killing machines because then we would have to ban single shot rabbit rifles. And sling shots, I suppose. :roll:

The assault weapons ban of 2018 act is just what it is and nothing more.

The slippery slope argument is another NRA lie.
 
L30nPh3lps

L30nPh3lps

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Fogdog said:
The old slippery slope argument. We can't ban sales of the most efficient and most often used killing machines because then we would have to ban single shot rabbit rifles. And sling shots, I suppose. :roll:

The assault weapons ban of 2018 act is just what it is and nothing more.

The slippery slope argument is another NRA lie.
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Except ive seen this ban extended and reworded and reinterpreted and added to by the AG here in MA to almost criminal levels, its a building block and building blocks are never lonely for long
 
Fogdog

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L30nPh3lps said:
Your point taken and my point clarified underneath, where was the effort to do these things that are now somehow the grand failures of current government?
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Republicans have blocked any attempt to enact gun control legislation. They have held the Senate since 2014 and held enough seats to sustain a fillibuster since 2010. Democrats had 7 weeks where they controlled both houses, the presidency and held veto proof majority in the Senate. They passed 32 significant bills during that time with the ACA as their priority. It was a record breaking congress in terms of production. I can't fault them for not passing gun control legislation given how little time they had and how much needed doing.

I do fault Republicans for blocking any and all attempts to enact gun control legislation. Meanwhile, we've seen loosening of gun regulations under Trump. He signed and executive order that removed Obama era regulations that blocked mentally ill people from buying a gun.
 
Fogdog

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L30nPh3lps said:
Except ive seen this ban extended and reworded and reinterpreted and added to by the AG here in MA to almost criminal levels, its a building block and building blocks are never lonely for long
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Gun control laws are stiff in Maryland because people in Maryland want them.

The slippery slope argument is false. When the majority of voters want stiff laws they get them. It's democracy in action not "give an inch and they take a mile" bs.
 
Fogdog

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UncleBuck

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L30nPh3lps said:
I think what ur referring to is the stone walling of lots of democratic policies by republicans, which was not helpful at all, but i dont recall any big gun control measures or executive actions concerning gun control even being shut down, correct me if im wrong, where was the effort?
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did you forget the manchin-toomey bill that republicans filibustered, dumb white?
 
L30nPh3lps

L30nPh3lps

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UncleBuck said:
did you forget the manchin-toomey bill that republicans filibustered, dumb white?
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Well ull have to excuse me as i am just a dumb white, but yes i believe i had forgotten about that bill, though it was in 2013, well after there was a chance at it sweeping right thru, its easy to propose things with no chance of passing them, and i hate that this is what our politics are now, nothing that needs to get done gets done, that said i fully support those proposed background checks, and the bill is still alive, maybe more so now than ever, the current political climate gives it a lot more weight
 
captainmorgan

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Fogdog said:
@captainmorgan , are you calling for a ban on all guns?
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No,I actualy grew up in a hunting and fishing family and have owned a few guns and hunted quite a bit in my younger days. But that said the gun laws in this country are a joke and it takes almost no effort or wait to buy guns in this country. It's way easier to buy a gun than get many small business licenses. Here's a couple thoughts off the top of my head. All guns should require a license that requires a criminal and mental background check and a safety course,maybe even psychological screening. Once your licensed no waiting period. National data base to make the system easier to manage. Loss of license for life for any violent crime including domestic abuse and loss for mental issues. No military style weapons,large clips,bump stocks or silencers. Heavy penalties for furnishing a weapon to a unlicensed person whether intentional or not and worse if they commit a crime with it. There's a couple to start.
 
L30nPh3lps

L30nPh3lps

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captainmorgan said:
No,I actualy grew up in a hunting and fishing family and have owned a few guns and hunted quite a bit in my younger days. But that said the gun laws in this country are a joke and it takes almost no effort or wait to buy guns in this country. It's way easier to buy a gun than get many small business licenses. Here's a couple thoughts off the top of my head. All guns should require a license that requires a criminal and mental background check and a safety course,maybe even psychological screening. Once your licensed no waiting period. National data base to make the system easier to manage. Loss of license for life for any violent crime including domestic abuse and loss for mental issues. No military style weapons,large clips,bump stocks or silencers. Heavy penalties for furnishing a weapon to a unlicensed person whether intentional or not and worse if they commit a crime with it. There's a couple to start.
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I agree with u on all these points too (besides maybe the ban of certain styles because i dont think it would be particularly effective in stopping mass shootings as evidenced by this last one, plus im already grandfathered in haha) i dont think we’re all so far off from each other as the media would have us believe
 
L30nPh3lps

L30nPh3lps

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Most of these are already rules, silencers are HEAVILY regulated, ive never known anyone with that tax stamp, MA banned bump stocks (with no vote) already, im admittedly not so clear on the rules in other states as they vary greatly, but thats part of a states right to self govern those issues
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Fogdog said:
@captainmorgan , are you calling for a ban on all guns? @UncleBuck ?

I can't recall one person saying that. I haven't read all posts on this subject so maybe somebody has.

In any case, the most recent legislation on gun control doesn't. The bill was introduced by Democrats and won't go anywhere so it's a moot point. It does ban the sale of many guns . Any of that style already in somebody's possession would be grandfathered in.
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In that long argumentative thread I hate to say a couple of mass shootings ago buck said it plenty. And in every other gun thread for a while.

I am not accusing you of parroting him in that or captain Morgan.
 
L30nPh3lps

L30nPh3lps

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What kind of CIE measure threshold are we talking to make someone white enough to not qualify? We talking like eggshell white or like ivory or maybe coffee colored (with cream)
 
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