UncleBuck
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are you saying my vegetable garden was illegal?
good thing i just took it all down yesterday before the big bad fed gov came and got me
Flat Tax: The Proof Is In The Pudding
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good thing i just took it all down yesterday before the big bad fed gov came and got me
Johnny Retro
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Never did i say "rich people" create our jobs. Corporations create a lot of our jobs. And like I said before, a 35% corporate tax rate is NOT good for business. Thus U.S companies creating 1.4 million jobs overseas this past year. There is plenty of aggregate demand, the means of fulfilling that demand has gone from our country, to other countries.
UncleBuck
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we should work for $1 a day and die from heat stroke on the line, just like the chinese do.
Dan Kone
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Actually if you don't think government spending is out of control that means you are comparing statistical data.
If you think our government spends an unusual amount of money you are ignorant. In this case, willfully ignorant. You're refusing to accept the fact that our government doesn't spend an unusually large amount of money even though you can't find anything to prove otherwise.
Yes, I'm going to stereotype you as a typical conservative because you are currently acting like one. You are falling for the conservative crap.
I'm sure you can provide examples of government waste. But guess what? Every government in the history of the world has had waste. And yes, we should fight waste. But that doesn't mean all money the government spends is waste and needs to be cut. Medicare is not waste. It's more efficient than private health insurance as well as extremely popular. If anything it should be expanded, not cut.
If you want waste cut from our government you'll get no argument from me. But if you want to efficient and effective government spending like medicare because you think it's wasteful, then I'm going to have to tell you the truth. The truth is our government doesn't spend an unusually large amount of money. What's unusual is that we don't tax the wealthy and allow them to extract usually large amounts of money through our financial "services industry".
Dan Kone
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And you think most other countries allow all those things freely? There is nothing unusual about anything there. I agree that many of those things should be changed, but that isn't a government spending issue. It's a policy issue. Cutting medicare doesn't lead to legalized marijuana.
Johnny Retro
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So what do you propose UB? That we cut off business ties with China? You seem to talk a lot about what the problem is, and NOT how we fix it.we should work for $1 a day and die from heat stroke on the line, just like the chinese do.
Dan Kone
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You refer to all wealthy people as "job creators"
UncleBuck
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we should put a 9% tax on everything i buy
Dan Kone
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I think we should put tariffs on their goods like they do to our exports in order to have an equal and fair market place. We can't keep trading freely with China while they do not trade freely with us.
I don't object to free trade with countries that don't use sweatshop labor or put tariffs on our goods. If we want to have a two way free trade agreement with Germany, great! I'm all for it.
But why should we trade freely with China when they manipulate their currency, use sweatshop labor, and have an average tariff of ~28% on US goods?
Johnny Retro
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smartass answer from a dumbass guy. typical defense method. you said your wife was a psychologist, right?we should put a 9% tax on everything i buy
Johnny Retro
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I think this is one of the few things i've heard you say that i agree with.
UncleBuck
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"smartass"?
didn't you open up this thread by touting the idea of a national sales tax?
Johnny Retro
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I opened up this thread 'touting' a fair flat tax plan very similar to cains that is used in an economy where the unemployment rate is currently 2.2% and the average median household income is 320,000 francs. ($500,000)
Do you ever provide constructive conversation?
TreeOfLiberty
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End the Federal Reserve , all the tax talk on what one should pay is comparable to trimming the top of the weed instead of just killing the ROOT of the problem. Not one cent of income tax goes to the running of the U.S. Govt. for services, it all goes as interest to the Federal Reserve in offshore bank accounts. We did not have the income tax pre-1913, also we did not have the Federal Reserve System until 1913.
All the money that has been spent on war-mongering in the mid-east is astounding.Since 2001 and as I type this looking at http://costofwar.com/en/
the amount is $1,269,139,000,000 + and every second it goes up. All that money , all that waste , the debt that is told to us that we owe by the bankers...WE DO NOT OWE IT.
We will NEVER get out of debt under our current system, its designed that way to keep us in economic bondage. There is no political savior , there is no political party that's for the people , the good cop bad cop scheme in politics has gone on for DECADE after DECADE. It's past time to push the 10th amendment to the max and SECEDE. One state would be all it would take to trigger the tidal wave effect to other states. The masses keep buying into the lies every 4 years with the presidential election and it's only going to get worse. If the Feds keep their authority , the taxes and police state will get tighter and tighter. It's past time to cut away, and secede. It probably would cause the Feds to send in troops to the seceding state but if another Civil War happened from it, they would lose from other states getting into it.A simple surefire way to end all of the bullshit tyrannical oppression of the Feds with all their endless regulations ,taxes, Federal laws. Seceding ,and getting back to the principles of the Constitution , and a new currency created at the same time, manufacturing for our selves because we'd have to from other countries that would stop importing to us.
This could be done.It wouldn't be easy, a lot of sacrifices would have to be made, even a most likely war inside the U.S. against law enforcement and National Guard, but most people would side with seceding once the Feds sent in the shoot-to-kill orders. All of these politicians do the same thing over and over and over. Promise the world but never deliver , then blame the other party for tying their hands. Look at every decade from the 1960's to now, every decade was worse than the previous decade , standards of living , taxes , inflation , laws , regulations , manufacturing jobs disappearing , we will continue to be fucked if we continue to live under the Federal thumb. Wipe the slate clean , get back to the basics of Constitution.
All the money that has been spent on war-mongering in the mid-east is astounding.Since 2001 and as I type this looking at http://costofwar.com/en/
the amount is $1,269,139,000,000 + and every second it goes up. All that money , all that waste , the debt that is told to us that we owe by the bankers...WE DO NOT OWE IT.
We will NEVER get out of debt under our current system, its designed that way to keep us in economic bondage. There is no political savior , there is no political party that's for the people , the good cop bad cop scheme in politics has gone on for DECADE after DECADE. It's past time to push the 10th amendment to the max and SECEDE. One state would be all it would take to trigger the tidal wave effect to other states. The masses keep buying into the lies every 4 years with the presidential election and it's only going to get worse. If the Feds keep their authority , the taxes and police state will get tighter and tighter. It's past time to cut away, and secede. It probably would cause the Feds to send in troops to the seceding state but if another Civil War happened from it, they would lose from other states getting into it.A simple surefire way to end all of the bullshit tyrannical oppression of the Feds with all their endless regulations ,taxes, Federal laws. Seceding ,and getting back to the principles of the Constitution , and a new currency created at the same time, manufacturing for our selves because we'd have to from other countries that would stop importing to us.
This could be done.It wouldn't be easy, a lot of sacrifices would have to be made, even a most likely war inside the U.S. against law enforcement and National Guard, but most people would side with seceding once the Feds sent in the shoot-to-kill orders. All of these politicians do the same thing over and over and over. Promise the world but never deliver , then blame the other party for tying their hands. Look at every decade from the 1960's to now, every decade was worse than the previous decade , standards of living , taxes , inflation , laws , regulations , manufacturing jobs disappearing , we will continue to be fucked if we continue to live under the Federal thumb. Wipe the slate clean , get back to the basics of Constitution.
