Flipping Autos indoors

Rainbow Warrior

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Hi guys and girls

about to start my 2nd indoor grow.

i want to grow a couple of autos and a couple of regular seeds at the same time.

Coz the Autos will flower first, do I have to change bulb to flowering bulb, or can the autos flower with veg light? If so, will that have an effect on yield?

many Thanks in advance!

RW
 

Frank Nitty

Well-Known Member
Hi guys and girls

about to start my 2nd indoor grow.

i want to grow a couple of autos and a couple of regular seeds at the same time.

Coz the Autos will flower first, do I have to change bulb to flowering bulb, or can the autos flower with veg light? If so, will that have an effect on yield?

many Thanks in advance!

RW
Whatever you do,DON'T run 12/12!!!
 

Budzbuddha

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Forget EVER running “ any “ autoflower under 12/12 ... although autos will flower under any light schedule , it isnt recommended . Not only will it be an under sized , less yielding plant .... you dont gain any advantage by running it at 12/12.

When i run autos and regs , i just keep autos in
a “ veg “ cycle ( 18/6 or better ) with the vegging regs then move “ only “ the plants that need flipping to the flower tent or area. This way you can do perpetual grows with autos and run the regs as big as you want and flip when you want. Autos need as much light from the start - to fully energize it to root as big as it can before it’s internal clock moves it to preflower. Remember autos are on their own clock and will flower when ready or stressed.
 

Frank Nitty

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Forget EVER running “ any “ autoflower under 12/12 ... although autos will flower under any light schedule , it isnt recommended . Not only will it be an under sized , less yielding plant .... you dont gain any advantage by running it at 12/12.

When i run autos and regs , i just keep autos in
a “ veg “ cycle ( 18/6 or better ) with the vegging regs then move “ only “ the plants that need flipping to the flower tent or area. This way you can do perpetual grows with autos and run the regs as big as you want and flip when you want. Autos need as much light from the start - to fully energize it to root as big as it can before it’s internal clock moves it to preflower. Remember autos are on their own clock and will flower when ready or stressed.
Thank you
 

puffdatchronic

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12 /12 auto halfway through flower

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I gotta ask...

why would an auto not yield well with 12/12 when you can get perfectly fine heavy yeilds with photoperiod plants. Obviously 12 hour of light, in non autos is enough light, even the best amount of light to get a heavy yeild.. but with autos it doesnt work? even though 80% of their genetics is photoperiod genetics. ? tell me why. 12 hours light 12 hours dark. its a nice ratio. its a natural ratio.
 
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Budzbuddha

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Heavier auto sativas will go the distance ..... BUT in “ most “ auto strains the first 5 weeks makes or breaks them.

The whole reason is to set the “ base “ of the plants structure ( rootball / branching ) ... after stretch slows / stops it will not
make new leaf or branches. Sometimes the ruderalis ” Rudy gene “ doesn’t work well and plant has to be manually flipped.
Ruderalis was only introduced for speed and temperament but at times throws out some unexpected performance.

Many times grows are on point and the god damn auto grows 6” and begins flowering. If you seek SOG style plants , choose dwarfy / lowryder / bkr . Many autos can be topped too , but many get stressed.

One trick some auto growers do ( it works ) is to run the First stages under a long cycle ( 18/6 - 20/ 4 or 24/0 ) ...
Up to the transition point of sex and preflower Then put under regular flowering like 12/12 to finish.

There is still no benefit from starting Flower early on autos ... but you can manipulate them AFTER budset.
For example ( above plant ) .....
Good Sativa lean ... You can defol the lower middle areas of blocked buds ( or tuck ) .
You can LST the hell out of it to further light penetration and bud growth.
That plant will definitely go longer than what ever 8-9 week breeder estimate.
And of course its parental lines ( genetics ) as some autos will run like reg. But I think that plant done with another under
18/6 or better would have shown noticeable differences because of cycle. Great looking plant btw.


I have one that NEVER flowered on its own so I had to treat it like a reg and flip that bitch. 1 gallon grow bag.
Im not even concerned about flower time since it did not go on its own. So this auto will get done when it gets done.

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Under 18/6 or 20/4 ... I get much larger plant growth overall.

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puffdatchronic

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One trick some auto growers do ( it works ) is to run the First stages under a long cycle ( 18/6 - 20/ 4 or 24/0 ) ...
Up to the transition point of sex and preflower Then put under regular flowering like 12/12 to finish
This is what I've done this time. Imo , an auto that isn't in full blown flower at 35 days needs to ge treated as if it were a non auto. Sure if the auto starts bidding good and early keep the 18 hour schedule as it is definitely an auto.
 

SwiSHa85

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Save all yourselves the headache and go 24/0. My auto room is my photo veg room. Mainly for my moms but I can get 4-8oz avg plants from autos. 4-6 ft tall with as much as 8-10 nodes sometimes. Donkey dick main colas. I only top when I know shes a big stretcher.
 

Frank Nitty

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Save all yourselves the headache and go 24/0. My auto room is my photo veg room. Mainly for my moms but I can get 4-8oz avg plants from autos. 4-6 ft tall with as much as 8-10 nodes sometimes. Donkey dick main colas. I only top when I know shes a big stretcher.
You know how I do!!! Sup bro??? How's life treating you??? Been getting lights and tents together and now I have more lights than tents!!!
 

SwiSHa85

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You know how I do!!! Sup bro??? How's life treating you??? Been getting lights and tents together and now I have more lights than tents!!!
Same ol shit. Rooms are chugging along. Just took down the Blue Widow along with a Blue Dream. About 15 crosses about to finish. Mostly WW crosses but i def got some keepers this round. This Teal Crack thats finishing up looks like absolute fire. The bud structure and terps are amazing.
 

Rainbow Warrior

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Forget EVER running “ any “ autoflower under 12/12 ... although autos will flower under any light schedule , it isnt recommended . Not only will it be an under sized , less yielding plant .... you dont gain any advantage by running it at 12/12.

When i run autos and regs , i just keep autos in
a “ veg “ cycle ( 18/6 or better ) with the vegging regs then move “ only “ the plants that need flipping to the flower tent or area. This way you can do perpetual grows with autos and run the regs as big as you want and flip when you want. Autos need as much light from the start - to fully energize it to root as big as it can before it’s internal clock moves it to preflower. Remember autos are on their own clock and will flower when ready or stressed.
Im about to harvest the first one next week; so is even one week bad?
 

Budzbuddha

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Im about to harvest the first one next week; so is even one week bad?
No ... wont make much of a difference at end .. you are fine .... some drop cycle to 12/12 or 11/13 ( 10/14 ) to push it at finish. Point with autos are you are trying to give it the best rooting possible at beginning to set up the finish.
 

SwiSHa85

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damn.. i live in a non-legal state so no hydro shops around. ive been looking for some sturdy trays though!
I used to use large Sterilite totes cut to the size i wanted. At walmart they are a few bucks and maybe $7 for the biggest. The ones i used were like 10 each but they fit a 2x4 tent perfect.
 

Frank Nitty

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In a hydro store there are no frills... Only the people who work there most times don't know what they are talking about when it comes to growing... And they deal in mostly hps,mh lighting... If I worked in one I would be a distributor of various types of led as well!!!
 
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