Flipping to flower tomorrow

medidedicated

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BTW this was all I had to do to light proof the intake. Growlab tent, pure darkness inside with lights on outside. I would recommend. Good zippers, light proof patches on them unlike my other Hydropolis.

I would take a picture to prove it but, all you’ll see is black lol. So I think it will flower ok, the nodes are growing zigzag suddenly and have bulbs with pistols coming out of it.
 
medidedicated

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And does anyone know why two of them, same strain, seems to want to grow into istelf more? just a genetic variation slightly? Leaves grow different and let it be, as each time I pruned it, was almost bare.

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Gentlemencorpse

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medidedicated said:
And does anyone know why two of them, same strain, seems to want to grow into istelf more?
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Yeah, likely just different phenotypic expressions. Growing from seed you'll see all kinds of variations in structure, smell, yield etc. That's why breeders/cut hunters often grow so many plants to find exactly what they're looking for

Everything is looking good by the way
 
medidedicated

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You cannot top those four spots right? lol you would Lst but such short node spacing, not sure it will work. Trying to keep even with the lower nodes. Shoot, I am not sure what to expeft in stretching for this strain lol.
 
Gentlemencorpse

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So this is more regarding the blurples but my experience with the inexpensive Amazon LEDs has been that they seem to encourage short bushy growth in veg for some reason. Couldn't tell you why though and not sure if that's what your seeing since I have no experience with your specific light. Just some food for thought.

I wouldn't try topping anything after flipping to flower, not enough recovery time prior to buds forming, but you can definitely prune off lower branches that won't get much light if you don't want to deal with the larf they'll likely produce.
 
medidedicated

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Gentlemencorpse said:
So this is more regarding the blurples but my experience with the inexpensive Amazon LEDs has been that they seem to encourage short bushy growth in veg for some reason. Couldn't tell you why though and not sure if that's what your seeing since I have no experience with your specific light. Just some food for thought.

I wouldn't try topping anything after flipping to flower, not enough recovery time prior to buds forming, but you can definitely prune off lower branches that won't get much light if you don't want to deal with the larf they'll likely produce.
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Yea I just cannot LST them at all on some stems but did more pruning
 
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My back hurts I had to stop lol. I know to cut fan leaf stems close as possible. Did not keep up on pruning or defoliation rather. Will now. They grow so damn fast since flip now lol. It has been almost a week I think, do yall see progress in the flip? I noticed things but not many signs yet.
 
medidedicated

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Defoliating turned out to be a lot of work and needed almost weekly. I was faster this time but it is still tricky. Plant is very very indica dominant and grows so damn bushy, if I succeed with cloning I ought to do 2 or 3 nodes next time. It just wants to cover itself up of light quick lol. I like my Blue Venom I have, hoping it continues to root, I think that one will grow more friendly to my skill level. Makes its own canopy literally lol, no need to train the mother.
 
medidedicated

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This is Morher Of Berries, all of them seem to want to grow to a strict grow pattern that can count against itself sometimes as shown unless I just lack defoliating skills, felt like I am getting better each time but nodes are so tight, you can only LST the lower less lit branches and the top just wants to immediately thicken up like a toothpick.
 
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after learning about feeding to just get decent runoff, looking to get better waste managment asap. Trying to decide on individual risers or all one tray, but if I want to grow various strains with different canopy structures I won’t be able to individually raise it.

Need to get hoses asap to have that looking nicer and functioning cleaner. Need dehumidifier asap although home AC does same thing just is not on all the time.

Feel like that is why the leaves on some look wonkey other than need more airflow blowing heat off the light as that is how I get the best growth with this light. 2 weeks I should get a bonus and blow that shit lol and be real smooth running for a while until more things needed.
 
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Not sure why but after defoliating I suddenly was able to twist and move branches. I was able to look through the skeleton of the plant for first time, so much to improve on next time although the structure is not bad.

I wonder if it is too late to LST just a tiny bit to make sure the maine branches do not grow into eachother. Not seeing much stress even after a heavier defoliation. I think it would be wise to, make a quick zig zag and let it finish stretching and catch up , I was able to bend the top main nodes too some how, without feeling like it was about to snap.

I was going to remove first nodes at some point, then they grew into main stems of the 6 node high way I have going on, and was about canopy height with the ones I was going to leave on. Then one more node came out and half of the plants they became hard to want to snip!

Otherwise I am almost sure LST would hardly be needed unless you wanted a shorter plant, but I see that structure often naturally of shaved long legs lol. I seen a few journals of early flip and they grew short and chunky and spaced out which is what I was going for, supposed I could of included the other critical steps to achieve that lol.

I am going to do it while I can, you are supposed to anyway for at least three weeks but I can only use the pot as the twist tie holder but it is a such a steep angle. Perhaps it is stretching so quick it was only just not letting me tie some down, literally I skipped LST because they just would not go for it, but someone said slow grow cheap amazon lights and not much new stem growth until flower.

Otherwise with MOB sixth node topping, the one part you want to LST is just not going. Not to repeat but, less nodes I think would do if I do another runwith MOB if I root some clones or else I really need to move on and probably find a better strain I want anyway with me figuring out cloning around that time.
 
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Wow … not sure what you did … but that ain’t LST. Technique doesn’t require continually node chopping.

It is just a way to widen canopy and branching to form a canopy. Your looks like you chopped at this and that and not even showing symmetry as would with LST tie down points. That plant strain is throwing secondary branching which doesn’t necessarily mean you have to cut it off.

It actually way more wild than before you “ trained “
 
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CAPTAIN SHIT said:
Wow … not sure what you did … but that ain’t LST. Technique doesn’t require continually node chopping.

It is just a way to widen canopy and branching to form a canopy. Your looks like you chopped at this and that and not even showing symmetry as would with LST tie down points. That plant strain is throwing secondary branching which doesn’t necessarily mean you have to cut it off.

It actually way more wild than before you “ trained “
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This isn't accurate. LST is just low stress training. It's a category not a specific method. Sure the typical goal is to increase yield but you can train your plant for whatever you want... wider canopy, narrower canopy, more bud sites, fewer bud sites... heck, you could make an ornamental bonsai weed plant if you wanted. Symmetry is optional. And topping/FIMing is absolutely considered a type of LST.

Now if you mean mainlining, that's a specific type of training that does require some semblance of symmetry.
 
Gentlemencorpse

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medidedicated said:
Not sure why but after defoliating I suddenly was able to twist and move branches. I was able to look through the skeleton of the plant for first time, so much to improve on next time although the structure is not bad.

I wonder if it is too late to LST just a tiny bit to make sure the maine branches do not grow into eachother. Not seeing much stress even after a heavier defoliation. I think it would be wise to, make a quick zig zag and let it finish stretching and catch up , I was able to bend the top main nodes too some how, without feeling like it was about to snap.

I was going to remove first nodes at some point, then they grew into main stems of the 6 node high way I have going on, and was about canopy height with the ones I was going to leave on. Then one more node came out and half of the plants they became hard to want to snip!

Otherwise I am almost sure LST would hardly be needed unless you wanted a shorter plant, but I see that structure often naturally of shaved long legs lol. I seen a few journals of early flip and they grew short and chunky and spaced out which is what I was going for, supposed I could of included the other critical steps to achieve that lol.

I am going to do it while I can, you are supposed to anyway for at least three weeks but I can only use the pot as the twist tie holder but it is a such a steep angle. Perhaps it is stretching so quick it was only just not letting me tie some down, literally I skipped LST because they just would not go for it, but someone said slow grow cheap amazon lights and not much new stem growth until flower.

Otherwise with MOB sixth node topping, the one part you want to LST is just not going. Not to repeat but, less nodes I think would do if I do another runwith MOB if I root some clones or else I really need to move on and probably find a better strain I want anyway with me figuring out cloning around that time.
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So honestly it's up to you how much you want to worry about training at this stage. Your plants will start to stretch soon and probably spread out a bit. If it were me I'd clear out some of the smaller branches in the lowers to get better airflow and call it a day, but I like to see the plants natural structure so that's kind of just a personal preference thing.

If you do decide to do some training and have limited tie down spots, check out "LST clips" on Amazon. They're pretty handy for spreading your canopy out a bit. Once they've been on for a few days the stem will just hold its new structure. If you have access to a 3d printer you can also just make them yourself pretty easy.
 
medidedicated

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CAPTAIN SHIT said:
Wow … not sure what you did … but that ain’t LST. Technique doesn’t require continually node chopping.

It is just a way to widen canopy and branching to form a canopy. Your looks like you chopped at this and that and not even showing symmetry as would with LST tie down points. That plant strain is throwing secondary branching which doesn’t necessarily mean you have to cut it off.

It actually way more wild than before you “ trained “
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This is kinda an open ongoing journal welcoming constructive tips. Sorry if that was too much to read but I did not LST at all, this was defoliation which needed to be done through out veg and from a lot of journals I seen, vigorously through flower.

I stated if I did not remove first nodes I would not be bringing up LST. Now I would LST during the stretch of flower if they pop up vigorously like they just did last few days by a few inches over the rest.

To avoid repeating, if you read the last few notes, they explain what I am doing, starting tomorrow.
 
medidedicated

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Gentlemencorpse said:
So honestly it's up to you how much you want to worry about training at this stage. Your plants will start to stretch soon and probably spread out a bit. If it were me I'd clear out some of the smaller branches in the lowers to get better airflow and call it a day, but I like to see the plants natural structure so that's kind of just a personal preference thing.

If you do decide to do some training and have limited tie down spots, check out "LST clips" on Amazon. They're pretty handy for spreading your canopy out a bit. Once they've been on for a few days the stem will just hold its new structure. If you have access to a 3d printer you can also just make them yourself pretty easy.
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Yeah and as stated in last few notes, I brough up your point about vegging with cheap amazon lights and they actually did veg slower anyway due to low airflow and day/night temps.

If I did 5 nodes, removing the first going from bottom up, I would only be LST the random parts of canopy that pop up and use the horizontal direction as a way to stall until it is a month or over in flower or through the stretch in general.

I am getting heat supplies for veg room, seedlings growing slow, forgot about all this just trying to get the flower space set up. Couple weeks will get a good amount of stuff to trial this out. My two by two was nice temps and small, so naturally good airflow and got one of the plants to for sure be bigger than the rest.

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With temporary veg setup, same plants:
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The smaller plants, with the bottom first node chopped as well, it just was not going to be a big enough plant to LST. Just keep main stems spaced which kind of do naturally. The 2x2 plant could of used defoliating and plant training with its vigorous growth.
 
medidedicated

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They may not look the happiest in the photo, no one would with several limbs chopped off at once, but in oerson they look like they got what they need and need to be slowly maintained, after stretch I am sure alot of center nodes will not produce a whole lot of chunk, probably popcorn buds, if that, with a one gal and 250w light with maybe another one coming.

So with some defoliating for another few weeks will see what to keep and see if I can curve the low branches to space out buds and tie down stems that pop up with twist ties to the fabric pot, done this before. Won’t be pretty but not far from what I see people do anyway. Mine is a more vertcal and shallow version of that though.

Tie down, and away from other branches. Have done this before but may need to set up something outside the pot on the ground lol, was not trying to move plants much anyway.

After stretch, removing first extra ingrown nodes that I left to help with stretch, learned from someone I saw many plants I would replicate haha. Same one that I learned to have a fam blowing at the light going upwards.

Again, some plants the extre ingrown nodes that popped up and turned into monsters is the ones that need lower canopy LST, I just cannot see them growing apart naturally.
 
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