Flowering with HPS and LED high wattage - Best setup

GreenthumbQC

GreenthumbQC

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So a 5x5 flowering area. Has a 600 watt with a spread a wing. Was thinking of angling a 900w led panel at the back to the front for added oomph and the secret little fairy tales that come with led. And I can lower my hps down with the dimmer, reducing heat.

Whatcha think?
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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Don't waste your money on LED

5x5 with a 600 is too large. Way to large actually.
I would put two wings over a 5x5

Led are "neat" but if your goal is yield they are simply not the way
 
NoSwagBag

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I agree that LED isnt the way to go. I dont think a 600 is too big for a 5x5 area though. It may be more cost effective to get a new air cooled hood if you can...just my opinion.
 
legallyflying

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Well unless you have some super super ultra high power 600 that I don't know about.. Your lux levels drop down to about 30,000 about 2 feet from the edge of the bulb. Enough to veg but pretty damn low for flower.

5' long though...where the hell do you think the light is coming from on a bulb? It's radiates from the sides, not the tip and base.

Light levels fall way way way off when you start to move away from the tip and base of the bulb. There is no hood on the market that will solve this problem (unless you go vertical)

Bottom line is this.. More watts = more yield. I have tried movers, different hoods, "supplemental lights" all a waste of time. Watts dude. Watts.
 
wyteberrywidow

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legallyflying said:
Bottom line is this.. More watts = more yield. I have tried movers, different hoods, "supplemental lights" all a waste of time. Watts dude. Watts.
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lol so why not waste the money on led? Im quite sure a 900 watt actual led would be great to add and can yield as much as a 600 if not more.

Leds can match or even outproduce hps of the same wattage. Only difference is the initial investment and the fact you are saving with leds ;)
 
NoSwagBag

NoSwagBag

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legallyflying said:
Well unless you have some super super ultra high power 600 that I don't know about.. Your lux levels drop down to about 30,000 about 2 feet from the edge of the bulb. Enough to veg but pretty damn low for flower.

5' long though...where the hell do you think the light is coming from on a bulb? It's radiates from the sides, not the tip and base.

Light levels fall way way way off when you start to move away from the tip and base of the bulb. There is no hood on the market that will solve this problem (unless you go vertical)

Bottom line is this.. More watts = more yield. I have tried movers, different hoods, "supplemental lights" all a waste of time. Watts dude. Watts.
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I thought you were saying a 600 was too big for 5x5. U were saying 5x5 is too big for 600...I agree, more watts = more bud.
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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Sorry if it was confusing. Yeah 5x5 is too big for a 600. It's the max I would run under a 1k , even under a wing.

More Ike 3x5 actually based on light meter readings


LED can yield as much as an HPS.. That's funny. I have witnessed many a harvest from expensive LED setups, not even CLOSE to a proper HPS.

They are great for hobby growers but if your concern is yield, there is absolutely no substitute for more watts and more AC.
 
wyteberrywidow

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legallyflying said:
LED can yield as much as an HPS.. That's funny. I have witnessed many a harvest from expensive LED setups, not even CLOSE to a proper HPS.

They are great for hobby growers but if your concern is yield, there is absolutely no substitute for more watts and more AC.
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did you see this grow?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=5eTiU5r3NM-UyASbsoL4DA&url=https://www.rollitup.org/t/apache-at600-led-vs-1000w-hps-blue-dream-grow.813412/&cd=3&ved=0CCQQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNECtkVlA1kZFuFr809pQ6BWXAU0VQ&sig2=7D0selozSjkeAjfykxKmaA
 
NoSwagBag

NoSwagBag

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wyteberrywidow said:
did you see this grow?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=5eTiU5r3NM-UyASbsoL4DA&url=https://www.rollitup.org/t/apache-at600-led-vs-1000w-hps-blue-dream-grow.813412/&cd=3&ved=0CCQQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNECtkVlA1kZFuFr809pQ6BWXAU0VQ&sig2=7D0selozSjkeAjfykxKmaA
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This is a good thread after you wade through the pages of troll bullshit. Bottom line to me is Greenejeans said you either have to get the best LED ($2k for his apache) or build your own for it to match hps performance. Im not knocking LEDs, but Im going to wait a couple years for prices to come down, and quality to get better...
 
Banana444

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I cant wait any longer. Since I started on here I have salivated over led lights. Even the shitty ones. I have held out long enough to learn theres only a couple companies out there that their light are at least equivelent to hps in yields. I am buying a area51 light to try them out in about a month or two. Its going to be running next to a 600w digi hps bulb. It doesnt seem like the producers of hid lamps are resting on thier laurels, my digilux 600w hps is 95000lumens, 158.3 lumens/watt and they arepaying attention to spectrum. I was going through some of my cfl bulbs I used on my first grow almost a year ago, they are all around 50-60 lumen/watt, I was a little disgusted thinking of the amount of energy I wasted on my first grow.
 
GreenthumbQC

GreenthumbQC

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Well I have the 600 in their. This 900w and this 1200 w mars II LED under my bed doing nothing. So I was gonna hang one in my vedge tent. Just you know. see what the F*** was up with this led witchraft. Ill let you know. Ill either put the 400w hps from the veg tent into my flower room to add too the 600 or add the 1200w mars II depending on what you guys think, what I read, and what these plants do in vedge. First things I note, their bright as shit, you cant tell ANYTHING about your plants without shuttin off the lights, but so far so good. And the temp factor is sooooooo nice.

These are whats going to be a bubba kush sog, and some LA confidential hidden and blue dream coming up nicely in the DWC.IMG_1507.JPG
 
HockeyBeard

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Some people will never get with the times. GG showed that it can be done. There are others showing it can be done as well. While I'd agree that 95% of the chinese LEDs can't hack it in flower, I think these CXA3070s are proving that they can deliver.
 
HockeyBeard

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I plan on running an induction/COB LED combo setup. I feel like it's going to give me the cool blue of a CMH and the benefits of a 3000k spectrum, while targeting a couple other areas where HPS is lacking, and I'm even going to run 730nm lights out bars... LED is here to stay.
 
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