Fluorescent tube replacement LEDS?

Mellodrama

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Good morning!

Replacement fluorescent tubes are becoming a big deal in the LED world. There's a huge potential market and I wonder if growers could take advantage of the activity in this space.

At Amazon one can buy 4 ft. Hyperikons at 4000K and 5000K. These tubes are claimed to be at least 100 lm/w. There are also tubes available at 3500K although these are some kinda knock-offs and may not be as efficient.

Does anyone think that some mix of these or similar tubes could be utilized to create an effective grow spectrum?

I realize the efficacy isn't up there with the best home-brew COBs but they're certainly easier to get started with.

It can be confusing when shopping for these T8/T12 replacement units. I would strongly recommend avoiding the direct-replace models like the Phillips Insta-Fits. These are the easiest to swap out because you just remove the old tubes and pop in the new.

The advantage to direct-replace (they're easy) is also their downfall. The direct-replace use the power provided by the original fluorescent tube ballasts, then convert that to something the LED's can use. So the path looks like this: grid power>old ballast>circuitry inside the new tubes>LED. You take a big efficiency hit by using the direct-replace tubes.

The Hyperikons go a different way. The ballast is removed. You cut all the wires going to the far end of the fixture, and direct wire the tombstones on the other end to your grid voltage. Each tube contains the electronics to convert grid power to LED goodness. It's grid power>internal driver>LED.
 

PurpleBuz

Well-Known Member
Good morning!

Replacement fluorescent tubes are becoming a big deal in the LED world. There's a huge potential market and I wonder if growers could take advantage of the activity in this space.

At Amazon one can buy 4 ft. Hyperikons at 4000K and 5000K. These tubes are claimed to be at least 100 lm/w. There are also tubes available at 3500K although these are some kinda knock-offs and may not be as efficient.

Does anyone think that some mix of these or similar tubes could be utilized to create an effective grow spectrum?

I realize the efficacy isn't up there with the best home-brew COBs but they're certainly easier to get started with.

It can be confusing when shopping for these T8/T12 replacement units. I would strongly recommend avoiding the direct-replace models like the Phillips Insta-Fits. These are the easiest to swap out because you just remove the old tubes and pop in the new.

The advantage to direct-replace (they're easy) is also their downfall. The direct-replace use the power provided by the original fluorescent tube ballasts, then convert that to something the LED's can use. So the path looks like this: grid power>old ballast>circuitry inside the new tubes>LED. You take a big efficiency hit by using the direct-replace tubes.

The Hyperikons go a different way. The ballast is removed. You cut all the wires going to the far end of the fixture, and direct wire the tombstones on the other end to your grid voltage. Each tube contains the electronics to convert grid power to LED goodness. It's grid power>internal driver>LED.
The problem with most of the "replacement tube" products is that the actual wattages are too low to get sufficient intensity to act as the primary lights.
They are meant to be upgrades for household fluoros to save energy and most target the output range of T8s.
They can be useful as supplemental lighting, or for seedlings in veg.
 

PSUAGRO.

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You do realize that the $9(@HD) 4000k (133lm/w) philips insta-fit only works on certain T8 e-ballasts(rapidstart/no mags), the losses shouldn't be that high?...........my major gripe is the diffuser, seems to be very thick

at same efficiency levels(lm/w) absolutely take the bulbs that bypass the ballast, but remember you lose the ul rating in the retrofitted fixture....
 

bicit

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The problem with most of the "replacement tube" products is that the actual wattages are too low to get sufficient intensity to act as the primary lights.
They are meant to be upgrades for household fluoros to save energy and most target the output range of T8s.
They can be useful as supplemental lighting, or for seedlings in veg.
Get enough of any light and it will grow a plant. See CaptainMorgans experiments with the cree home depot bulbs. These would make great clone room lights.

I almost think the peel and stick LED tape lights would be a better fit for most laymen than the Hyperikons though. At the point where you're having to rewire your fixture may as well just get a new fixture IMO. The Tape lights would be cheaper and simpler.
 

PurpleBuz

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Get enough of any light and it will grow a plant. See CaptainMorgans experiments with the cree home depot bulbs. These would make great clone room lights.
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absolutely agree, problem is by the time you pack a full roof of the led fluoro replacements lights together you won't have enough photons. I know cause I used to do the same with T5HOs and one literally needed a fully packed roof to flower and still could use more photons. The good T5HO units provide much more light than the led replacements.
 

lumbo

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Something similar I've been tinkering with...

Philips high flux modules with their xitanium driver. Driver output is variable by placing proper resistor across two provided contacts. Factory settings drives four modules at around 45W with impressive brightness. 3k,3.5k,4k,and 5k temps available. With a little ingenuity as far as lay out and support structure many options exist for custom set ups. No fans or heat sinking needed as module designed to diffuse heat.

http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/PHILIPS LIGHTING/929000860103.pdf

http://images.philips.com/is/content/PhilipsConsumer/PDFDownloads/United%20States/LED%20Drivers %20Literature/ODLI20150810_001-UPD-en_US-PAd-1416FL.pdf




Something to think about anyhow. From what I have read they have just came out with generation 4 this year which is brighter and more efficient than what I have mentioned here.

Would like opinions from the experts about this. Thanks, and I hope I have not broken any rules with this post.
 
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