chuck estevez
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because I know better than to "flush" my plants with a high p/k product,Mr.Derrp!!! DERRRP!!
Flush ? Defoliate ? Both ?
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Per actual scientific data, presented by phototron: Removing large fan leaves in excess of 3-4", conservatively, over time, is beneficial for plants that have optimum light, nutes, temperature and ventilation. The loss is minimal to a healthy plant in vegetative growth and allows more light/ventilation to the rest of the plant without significant loss. Culling fans should be stopped shortly before flowering to allow the plant to maximize storage capacity before going into 12/12 light cycle, as they are needed when the plant is no longer privy to 24hr light.
BenFranklin
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Just curious there cowboy, how did you get a mother plant and take clones when you put it into flower as a seedling?
Oh yeh, I forgot to mention, I took my two clones off the plant the same day I put it into flowering, I think it was 2 weeks or 3 weeks after it popped from seed. I took clones and put it into flowering before I even knew it was a female, because, regardless, if it was female I was happy, if it was male, I was going to take the pollen, so I could freshen up my own genetics, of my own "home made variety".
Mr.Marijuana420
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WHERES THE SCIENCE??? lets see links. To me it seems to be the consensus is either, give your plant ridiculous amounts of nutes, on a specific schedule, affectively over feeding unnecessary amounts, causing your plants to grow too much healthy vegetation, which u then deem is blocking light, then chop off the excess "light blockers" and flush out the extra salts from nutrients.
Or the more sensible crowd, who gives their plant the nutes they need when they're needing it, and finds no need to flush or defoliate. If you can find a reason to flush or defoliate, Id say your feeding your gal too much to begin with
CaretakerDad
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The best way to get light to all of your leaves is to have vigorous air circulation (like in nature) not only does this move leaves constantly allowing light to penetrate the to the inner parts but strengthens the stalks (like in nature) another useful tool is a light mover. This much misunderstood and maligned system mimics the suns constant movement which also increases light distribution/penetration. I know that science hurts the brains of many noobs too lazy to read or ignorant of basic plant anatomy and physiology (how it looks and how it works), but perhaps these illustrations will help you to understand the importance of the three main processes that occur within the leaf, respiration (gas exchange), transpiration (evaporation which draws moisture up through the root system), and of course photosynthesis.
Respiration and transpiration the exchange of CO2 and O2 and control of water content. Water movement allows the plant to control its internal physiology and brings the nutrients from the soil through the roots to the plant. These are the building blocks for carbohydrates the actual chemicals required to produce those buds you so desire.
Photosynthesis which provides the ATP (energy) required for the plant to process the chemicals into complex carbohydrates.
If your head feels like it might explode then smoke a bowl and rape your plants you'll feel better in the morning. Happy Growing
chuck estevez
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Now you did it, you went and got all science on them.The best way to get light to all of your leaves is to have vigorous air circulation (like in nature) not only does this move leaves constantly allowing light to penetrate the to the inner parts but strengthens the stalks (like in nature) another useful tool is a light mover. This much misunderstood and maligned system mimics the suns constant movement which also increases light distribution/penetration. I know that science hurts the brains of many noobs too lazy to read or ignorant of basic plant anatomy and physiology (how it looks and how it works), but perhaps these illustrations will help you to understand the importance of the three main processes that occur within the leaf, respiration (gas exchange), transpiration (evaporation which draws moisture up through the root system), and of course photosynthesis.
Respiration and transpiration the exchange of CO2 and O2 and control of water content. Water movement allows the plant to control its internal physiology and brings the nutrients from the soil through the roots to the plant. These are the building blocks for carbohydrates the actual chemicals required to produce those buds you so desire.
Photosynthesis which provides the ATP (energy) required for the plant to process the chemicals into complex carbohydrates.
If your head feels like it might explode then smoke a bowl and rape your plants you'll feel better in the morning. Happy Growing
I'll say this again. want more light to the bottom? Get a better light.
Milovan
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Those neuts could be stored in the smaller leaves thus get rid of the big leaves no?
I don't defoliate I just rarely randomly select big fan leaves to take off but
what about plants that grow lots of foliage naturally?
I got both versions of Cherry Pie that get fed the same recommended amount of
FF liquid nuets every other watering and the CP that leans more towards Durban
grows more foliage naturally according to the gene type.
Is there anyone in the more sensible crowd , who gives their plant the nutes they need when they're needing it, and find they still need to defoliate?
I don't defoliate I just rarely randomly select big fan leaves to take off but
what about plants that grow lots of foliage naturally?
I got both versions of Cherry Pie that get fed the same recommended amount of
FF liquid nuets every other watering and the CP that leans more towards Durban
grows more foliage naturally according to the gene type.
Is there anyone in the more sensible crowd , who gives their plant the nutes they need when they're needing it, and find they still need to defoliate?
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sikkinixx
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I flush because I grow in a coco medium that locks in nutrients. I notice a definite difference in the flavor, and how it burns if I don't flush for 2 weeks at the end.
I was talking with a commercial grower from Olympia last night and he flushes his hydro system every 7 days and for 2 weeks at the end. He gets top price for his product at the clubs on a large scale.
My point is, just because you've spent enough time on RIU to get "well known status," doesn't actually mean you know dick about shit.
I was talking with a commercial grower from Olympia last night and he flushes his hydro system every 7 days and for 2 weeks at the end. He gets top price for his product at the clubs on a large scale.
My point is, just because you've spent enough time on RIU to get "well known status," doesn't actually mean you know dick about shit.
Milovan
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A plant can get photosynthesis from smaller leaves that grow bigger thus rape just the big leaves no?I know that science hurts the brains of many noobs too lazy to read or ignorant of basic plant anatomy and physiology (how it looks and how it works),
Photosynthesis which provides the ATP (energy) required for the plant to process the chemicals into complex carbohydrates.
If your head feels like it might explode then smoke a bowl and rape your plants you'll feel better in the morning. Happy Growing
sikkinixx
Active Member
My feeling on defoliating is if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I defoliate as needed due to yellowing, bug bites, or areas where it seems to dense to have healthy air flow, but I definitely don't go looking for leaves to cut off.
Cobnobuler
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Thanks dad. Real science takes the bullshit straight out of it, and thats how it is, simple as that. I know a guy that refuses to "waste" electricity by running fans around his plants and you know what he gets? I mean, this guy spends the money on 600 watt lights and then raises these spindly little plants that yield a half ounce and thats it. Why? Because his plants dont feel the need to strengthen themselves because theres no air movement and because the structure is then so lean, the plants, in their wisdom despite him are smart enough to only grow buds no bigger than they can support, which isn't much. End result is a plant that looks like a CFL grow.
Some people just dont get down with the basics of plant life in general. Its not hard, but if one has never done it before, especially trying to replicate nature in an indoor environment, it takes research to get even close to potential.
Some people just dont get down with the basics of plant life in general. Its not hard, but if one has never done it before, especially trying to replicate nature in an indoor environment, it takes research to get even close to potential.
Mr.Marijuana420
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the "recommended amount" on the packaging is more often than not overkill, and intended for you the consumer, to keep consuming. I find that 1/2 to even 1/4 the recommended nutrient doses are often plenty to keep plants healthy
Thckingdom
Member
If you don't flush you never get to enjoy the true flavour an enjoy your product as much as you could, all High grade is flushed,
Cobnobuler
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I knew it, I knew it.....here we freakin go````
Commander Strax
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Bring back REP !
Thckingdom
Member
I do the same as the grower you spoke to in my hydro,an in soil I cut nutes dose in half An half again until just water but maintain constant ph6 I begin this process 6week into flower an have followed this simple process for the last 18year,it brings out all the attributes the seed company use as there selling points,if you want unflushed stuff go smoke some fireworks because that's what the taste like when burnt,snap, crackle pop , black ash , hard to burn, trust me flushing is good if you want to take you gear to the cannabis cup level or dirty back ally make a quick buck rubbish , each to there own I suppose
sikkinixx
Active Member
Right!? To me that's the biggest deference. All other things being equal (maybe) un flushed weed just doesn't burn right. This debate could go on forever... so could the defoliation debate... sigh... whatever.