Flush or not

littlegiant

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Everyone has there own proven method in there heads for growing. If it works for you, great!
Sadly we can't all get together and smoke to prove to one another who's method flushed better and how.
So everybody just enjoy your flushed or not flushed smooth or harsh smoke.
Over and out!:peace:
 

AlphaPhase

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Damn nice plant sirGreenthumb! Was that in hydro? Looks like you got it dialed in 8-) Hydro grows much quicker, so 12/12 from seed would be better than 12/12 from seed in soil. Better yield I'd say for sure.
 

az2000

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That's a great question, there should be an RIU debate about it sometime to settle it once and for all.
It sounds like it has been settled many times: flushing depends on individual variables such as how strong you've been feeding, synthetic or organic, whether you prefer stronger flavor notes (which may be interpreted by some to be harshness) or milder smoke (which may be interpreted by some to not be as flavorful).

And then someone mentions the topic and it turns into "you shouldn't have to because I never do." :)
 

jebus2029

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I support flushing. I've always done it and I am happy with my results. That being said I have not tried NOT flushing because the people considered to be the experts all say not to. Flushing is suppose to remove built up salts around the roots. This allows the plant to take up the water without the salts or any nutes. It's like putting her on a fast right before chopping her. It cleans out her system. Takes out all the bad. Sure you might lose some weight from this but the overall health of the plant will be better. Hence, better medicine. Since moving to Oregon I've seen both sides. I've seen cannabis from growers that looks and smells amazing but you better be smoking out of a bong because it will taste horrible and be harsh. Then I've seen cannabis that is organic and cured, but it smells like hay and is loose and airy.

Ive found one grower who produces about 1000 lbs a month. State of the art everything. He has curing rooms that are climate controlled and everything. He does these extensive cures (I've heard up to a year but I doubt it). The bud will be perfectly cured and crumble like it is, but the outside will be gooey. It's a "cave cure" if you've heard of it. Same idea as drying and curing your buds in a wine cave. Anyways, he has the absolute best cure I've ever seen. The problem is that he doesn't grow organically. I think he flushes but I am not sure. The bud will burn too slowly. It burns like a coal and doesn't burn away clean. It doesn't shrink while burning. It will maintain it's size and shape, and when it has finally all burned there is more black than white or gray ash. While smoking it I also get that burning/tickling feeling in my mouth like it is nonorganic.

So there is where I need clarification. People say you get black ash either from moist bud or from chemicals. Are these connoisseur buds from this grower really the best out there, or are they low quality that have a really good cure? It looks, smells, and feels like top quality, but the smoke test fails in my opinion. Is there black ash because of the moisture in the bud or because they used synthetic chemicals?

That being said, the cure is the most process in my opinion. Properly cured weed will be more potent, have a more complex taste, will not smell like hay, and will burn away to clean white ash that almost disappears without having to tap out the bowl. I can find many more strains out here on the west coast. The problem is people don't bother curing the buds usually. Sometimes I can cure buds I buy but its a crap shoot because I don't know what stage they are at, and if they were dried quickly there is only so much you can do. When I was on the east coast all the bud sent over there from here was fresh. Dried just enough but always full of moisture to bump up the cost. It sucked financially because you always got a bag that would get lighter, but if you wanted to take the time you could cure it. I think I smoked better quality herb in South Carolina than I do out here and it's all because of the cure.

Well that spun off topic. Yes, I think you should flush. If you ever smoke a bowl and it sizzles and pops like crazy. It probably wasn't flushed.
 

chuck estevez

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I support flushing. I've always done it and I am happy with my results. That being said I have not tried NOT flushing because the people considered to be the experts all say not to. Flushing is suppose to remove built up salts around the roots. This allows the plant to take up the water without the salts or any nutes. It's like putting her on a fast right before chopping her. It cleans out her system. Takes out all the bad. Sure you might lose some weight from this but the overall health of the plant will be better. Hence, better medicine. Since moving to Oregon I've seen both sides. I've seen cannabis from growers that looks and smells amazing but you better be smoking out of a bong because it will taste horrible and be harsh. Then I've seen cannabis that is organic and cured, but it smells like hay and is loose and airy.

Ive found one grower who produces about 1000 lbs a month. State of the art everything. He has curing rooms that are climate controlled and everything. He does these extensive cures (I've heard up to a year but I doubt it). The bud will be perfectly cured and crumble like it is, but the outside will be gooey. It's a "cave cure" if you've heard of it. Same idea as drying and curing your buds in a wine cave. Anyways, he has the absolute best cure I've ever seen. The problem is that he doesn't grow organically. I think he flushes but I am not sure. The bud will burn too slowly. It burns like a coal and doesn't burn away clean. It doesn't shrink while burning. It will maintain it's size and shape, and when it has finally all burned there is more black than white or gray ash. While smoking it I also get that burning/tickling feeling in my mouth like it is nonorganic.

So there is where I need clarification. People say you get black ash either from moist bud or from chemicals. Are these connoisseur buds from this grower really the best out there, or are they low quality that have a really good cure? It looks, smells, and feels like top quality, but the smoke test fails in my opinion. Is there black ash because of the moisture in the bud or because they used synthetic chemicals?

That being said, the cure is the most process in my opinion. Properly cured weed will be more potent, have a more complex taste, will not smell like hay, and will burn away to clean white ash that almost disappears without having to tap out the bowl. I can find many more strains out here on the west coast. The problem is people don't bother curing the buds usually. Sometimes I can cure buds I buy but its a crap shoot because I don't know what stage they are at, and if they were dried quickly there is only so much you can do. When I was on the east coast all the bud sent over there from here was fresh. Dried just enough but always full of moisture to bump up the cost. It sucked financially because you always got a bag that would get lighter, but if you wanted to take the time you could cure it. I think I smoked better quality herb in South Carolina than I do out here and it's all because of the cure.

Well that spun off topic. Yes, I think you should flush. If you ever smoke a bowl and it sizzles and pops like crazy. It probably wasn't flushed.
already been proven that is NOT from NOT flushing., but thanks for your input.

go burn some sugar and see if it doesn't look and smell like supposed UNFLUSHED bud.
 

unwine99

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I support flushing. I've always done it and I am happy with my results. That being said I have not tried NOT flushing because the people considered to be the experts all say not to. Flushing is suppose to remove built up salts around the roots. This allows the plant to take up the water without the salts or any nutes. It's like putting her on a fast right before chopping her. It cleans out her system. Takes out all the bad. Sure you might lose some weight from this but the overall health of the plant will be better. Hence, better medicine. Since moving to Oregon I've seen both sides. I've seen cannabis from growers that looks and smells amazing but you better be smoking out of a bong because it will taste horrible and be harsh. Then I've seen cannabis that is organic and cured, but it smells like hay and is loose and airy.

Ive found one grower who produces about 1000 lbs a month. State of the art everything. He has curing rooms that are climate controlled and everything. He does these extensive cures (I've heard up to a year but I doubt it). The bud will be perfectly cured and crumble like it is, but the outside will be gooey. It's a "cave cure" if you've heard of it. Same idea as drying and curing your buds in a wine cave. Anyways, he has the absolute best cure I've ever seen. The problem is that he doesn't grow organically. I think he flushes but I am not sure. The bud will burn too slowly. It burns like a coal and doesn't burn away clean. It doesn't shrink while burning. It will maintain it's size and shape, and when it has finally all burned there is more black than white or gray ash. While smoking it I also get that burning/tickling feeling in my mouth like it is nonorganic.

So there is where I need clarification. People say you get black ash either from moist bud or from chemicals. Are these connoisseur buds from this grower really the best out there, or are they low quality that have a really good cure? It looks, smells, and feels like top quality, but the smoke test fails in my opinion. Is there black ash because of the moisture in the bud or because they used synthetic chemicals?

That being said, the cure is the most process in my opinion. Properly cured weed will be more potent, have a more complex taste, will not smell like hay, and will burn away to clean white ash that almost disappears without having to tap out the bowl. I can find many more strains out here on the west coast. The problem is people don't bother curing the buds usually. Sometimes I can cure buds I buy but its a crap shoot because I don't know what stage they are at, and if they were dried quickly there is only so much you can do. When I was on the east coast all the bud sent over there from here was fresh. Dried just enough but always full of moisture to bump up the cost. It sucked financially because you always got a bag that would get lighter, but if you wanted to take the time you could cure it. I think I smoked better quality herb in South Carolina than I do out here and it's all because of the cure.

Well that spun off topic. Yes, I think you should flush. If you ever smoke a bowl and it sizzles and pops like crazy. It probably wasn't flushed.
This post was brought to my attention by senile fungus on one of the other 5000 flushing threads. This sums flushing up better than just about anything else I've read on a pot website:

I use the "worst" nutes you can buy,
but I know how nutes effect the plant and burn qualities so I only look at types of nutes and ratios.no crackling here and black ash is a bad cure

When wood is heated anaerobically, it turns black as the water is driven off, leaving charcoal, or carbon, behind. When charcoal burns in air, the carbon combines with oxygen, producing carbon dioxide gas. But if you have ever used a charcoal grill,you will noticed that charcoal turns white as it burns. This white ash is what remains of the non-flammable minerals which were present in the wood to begin with. You don't really notice them until the carbon has burned away. These ashes have a composition which varies according to the kind of wood and the soil in which it grew, and it is this variable composition which marks ash as a mixture rather than apure substance.
Ash is literally the nutes.
that anaerobic burning is what causes butane lighters to produce soot or that black stuff if you put the flame under something, propane burns wonderfully clean but as you add carbon it needs more oxygen, as you go up it won't burn properly unless you add an oxidizer.. this is also why BIC lighters are only about 500 degrees instead of 3500 or whatever butane likes to burn at..(bics design limits oxygen,if you have a torch for dabbing with an adjuster you know what I'm talking about)

...flushing is debated alot around here but its proven that it doesn't lower nutes in your bud it causes the plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves(Google it) to preserve nutes in the bud, you'll notice the bud is last to yellow...
The white ash is literally the nutes and nutes are actually good and improve the burn qualities,yes my ash burns to white..potassium for example expands when hot and helps it burn much more efficiently.. calcium adds weight and mass to the ash while making it whiter but too much makes it flakey.. sulphur ,ammonical n and chlorinated nutes negatively impact burn qualities etc etc I mean the tobacco industry laid it all out for us already, we just have to modify how we cure as we are dealing with volatile compounds and understanding what we are after isn't anitrate but phosphate(terpenes come from phosphates). No other crop is flushed including tobacco so that you get the best burn, yield and quality..the cure is very important But fresh herb barely dry enough to smoke with no cure doesn't crackle much except for the moisture and resin but leaves it black Flushing is counterproductive imo and only serves to foxtail my landrace Sativas

the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintain gas transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure

Night and day difference in curing ..
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner tasting/cleaner feeling high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a higher ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
 

az2000

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I have not tried NOT flushing because the people considered to be the experts all say not to.
That's probably the most important part of your contribution. I urge you to not flush one plant next time. Maybe do half-strength nutes for the last couple feedings on another one. Maybe water only for the last feeding on another one. See if you notice much difference.

I've been trying not flushing and I can't say I notice much difference either way. (But, my nutes are partly organic, and I don't overfeed much. If it was synthetic and/or overfed I might notice more of a difference.).
 

Alienwidow

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you also need to learn how plants work, why the fuck would you spend all that money and time on nutes to grow a healthy plant, just to starve it at it's most productive time?
I'm sorry your plants sit in a pool of chems, but mine don't, I feed them, they use it, I feed them they use it, and then guess what, I feed them, they use it.
Ok CHUck. You ever think to help a guy out. Say like this....

Okay man, so you starter off with this.... Like the chuCK method. She does this"" then when the end is near you do like chuck says, which is.....? Idk. Do you have a taint connecting your right hand to your green thumb?
 

Alienwidow

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So would flushing have any effect on the sugar levels in a plant?
Ya, your leaching all the food away. At the end i run thr higher pk foods and at low ppm. Dont runnthe calmag and dont run the N rich side. Some sugars like molasses or sweeteners will make your plant feed off root zone buildup for a while. You dont have to totally drench the soil to leach if you water with good runoff devery time.
You want to think more about what the roots are up to rather than whats happening on top.
 
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