Flushing before flower?

20150630_195223.jpg 20150630_195830.jpg so from what ive read(and can see) there going into flower should i flush or just switch into flower nutes. Im running ocean forest in 7 gallon fabric pots and have slowly been working up the maxigrow (gave them full low dosage today) maxi bloom is my bloom nute. Thanks for any info everybody
 

Pinworm

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Do not flush your plants. Put it like this. Why would you stop feeding your plants right when they are trying their hardest to produce for you?

Would you stop feeding your pregnant wife right when she is about to shit out her child? Nope. You wouldn't...
 

Budzbuddha

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Opinions are like Bungholes everybody got one. Flushing at the change to flower does help CLEAR the salt buildup from the soil medium. Flushing does not harm the plant because you are using water , it will recover and dry THEN you can start your BLOOM feed for the rest of the grow.

By CLEARING some of left over veg nutes , let's you keep the nitrogen uptake in check ( flowering needs LESS nitrogen ). Case closed :joint:
 

Pinworm

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Opinions are like Bungholes everybody got one. Flushing at the change to flower does help CLEAR the salt buildup from the soil medium. Flushing does not harm the plant because you are using water , it will recover and dry THEN you can start your BLOOM feed for the rest of the grow.

By CLEARING some of left over veg nutes , let's you keep the nitrogen uptake in check ( flowering needs LESS nitrogen ). Case closed :joint:
Pregnant wife beater.
 

Hotboxbudz

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Opinions are like Bungholes everybody got one. Flushing at the change to flower does help CLEAR the salt buildup from the soil medium. Flushing does not harm the plant because you are using water , it will recover and dry THEN you can start your BLOOM feed for the rest of the grow.

By CLEARING some of left over veg nutes , let's you keep the nitrogen uptake in check ( flowering needs LESS nitrogen ). Case closed :joint:
I agree, a flush before changing from veg nutes to flower nutes is a good practice. It will get rid of some salt build up and gives it a short brake from nutes as it preflowers.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Opinions are like Bungholes everybody got one. Flushing at the change to flower does help CLEAR the salt buildup from the soil medium. Flushing does not harm the plant because you are using water , it will recover and dry THEN you can start your BLOOM feed for the rest of the grow.

By CLEARING some of left over veg nutes , let's you keep the nitrogen uptake in check ( flowering needs LESS nitrogen ). Case closed :joint:
i disagree about plants going into flowering needing less nitrogen.. the flip, usually the first two weeks or so of flowering, is the point in the life cycle that a cannabis plant probably does it's most green growth ever, with the stretch and all, and a bit of nitrogen is good for all of that new green growth, of course, imvho...
 

Pinworm

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i disagree about plants going into flowering needing less nitrogen.. the flip, usually the first two weeks or so of flowering, is the point in the life cycle that a cannabis plant probably does it's most green growth ever, with the stretch and all, and a bit of nitrogen is good for all of that new green growth, of course, imvho...
What the fuck is wrong with these kids?
 

fssalaska

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In hydro it's not bad to flush for one day before flowering when using smaller pots, it really helps with salt build up..

 

Hotboxbudz

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To each there own. I have always treated preflowering like a week old seedling. Back off the veg nutes, give water for a week and start bloom nutes 1/4 strength and work my way up to full.
 

Pinworm

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There have been a lot of debates on this forum about flushing and there is a lot of misunderstanding about it in general flushing has its place in gardening and in the real world (other than MJ forums) is referred to as leeching

This will be a long read but I hope it will set the record straight for everyone, this has been posted in several places here but I am putting to post together to clear things up a bit for all of you

first a ditty from Sensi Seeds with links verifying,,,

From an administrator at Sensi Seeds

"Advanced - Flushing

A critical look at preharvest flushing

Pre harvest flushing is a controversial topic. Flushing is supposed to improve taste of the final bud by either giving only pure water, clearing solutions or extensive flushing for the last 7-14 days of flowering. While many growers claim a positive effect, others deny any positive influence or even suggest reduced yield and quality.

The theory of pre harvest flushing is to remove nutrients from the grow medium/root zone. A lack of nutrients creates a deficiency, forcing the plant to translocate and use up its internal nutrient compounds.

Nutrient fundamentals and uptake:

A good read about plant nutrition can be found here.

Until recently it was common thought that all nutrients are absorbed by plant roots as ions of mineral elements. However in newer studies more and more evidence emerged that additionally plant roots are capable of taking up complex organic molecules like amino acids directly thus bypassing the mineralization process.

The major nutrient uptake processes are:

1) Active transport mechanism into root hairs (the plant has to put energy in it, ATP driven) which is selective to some degree. This is one way the plant (being immobile) can adjust to the environment.

2) Passive transport (diffusion) through symplast to endodermis.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/courses/bio102/f99-3637.html

http://www.hort.wisc.edu/cran/Publications/2001 Proceedings/min_nutr.pdf

The claim only ‘chemical’ ferted plants need to be flushed should be taken with a grain of salt. Organic and synthetic ferted plants take up mineral ions alike, probably to a different degree though. Many influences play key roles in the taste and flavor of the final bud, like the nutrition balance and strength throughout the entire life cycle of the plant, the drying and curing process and other environmental conditions.

3) Active transport mechanism of organic molecules into root hairs via endocytosis.

http://acd.ucar.edu/~eholland/encyc6.html

Here is a simplified overview of nutrient functions:

Nitrogen is needed to build chlorophyll, amino acids, and proteins. Phosphorus is necessary for photosynthesis and other growth processes. Potassium is utilized to form sugar and starch and to activate enzymes. Magnesium also plays a role in activating enzymes and is part of chlorophyll. Calcium is used during cell growth and division and is part of the cell wall. Sulfur is part of amino acids and proteins.

Plants also require trace elements, which include boron, chlorine, copper, iron, manganese, sodium, zinc, molybdenum, nickel, cobalt, and silicon.

Copper, iron, and manganese are used in photosynthesis. Molybdenum, nickel, and cobalt are necessary for the movement of nitrogen in the plant. Boron is important for reproduction, while chlorine stimulates root growth and development. Sodium benefits the movement of water within the plant and zinc is neeeded for enzymes and used in auxins (organic plant hormones). Finally, silicon helps to build tough cell walls for better heat and drought tolerance.

http://www.sidwell.edu

You can get an idea from this how closely all the essential elements are involved in the many metabolic processes within the plant, often relying on each other.

Nutrient movement and mobility inside the plant:

Besides endocytosis, there are two major pathways inside the plant, the xylem and the phloem. When water and minerals are absorbed by plant roots, these substances must be transported up to the plant's stems and leaves for photosynthesis and further metabolic processes. This upward transport happens in the xylem. While the xylem is able to transport organic compounds, the phloem is much more adapted to do so.

The organic compounds thus originating in the leaves have to be moved throughout the plant, upwards and downwards, to where they are needed. This transport happens in the phloem. Compounds that are moving through the phloem are mostly:
Sugars as sugary saps, organic nitrogen compounds (amino acids and amides, ureides and legumes), hormones and proteins.

http://www.sirinet.net

Not all nutrient compounds are moveable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.

2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.

http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu

Storage organelles:

Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.

http://jeb.biologists.org.pdf

Translocation:

Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the translocation process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements can be translocated through the phloem. Immobile elements cant be translocated and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.

Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the rootzone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Translocation is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc.

You can see this by the yellowing and later dying of the mature fan leaves from the second day on after flushing started. Developing leaves, bud leaves and calyxes don’t serve as sources, they are sinks. Changes in those plant parts are due to the deficient immobile elements which start to indicate on new growth first.

Unfortunately, several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.

For example nitrogen: usually plants use nitrogen to form plant proteins. Enzyme systems rapidly reduce nitrate-N (NO3-) to compounds that are used to build amino-nitrogen which is the basis for amino acids. Amino acids are building blocks for proteins, most of them are plant enzymes responsible for all the chemical changes important for plant growth.

Sulfur and calcium among others have major roles in production and activating of proteins, thereby decreasing nitrate within the plant. Excess nitrate within the plant may result from unbalanced nutrition rather than an excess of nitrogen.


Summary:

Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing.

Drying and curing (when done right) on the other hand have proved (In many studies) to have a major impact on taste and flavour, by breaking down chlorophylls and converting starches into sugars. Most attributes blamed on unflushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or overfert and unproper drying/curing."
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/

Don't make me tag RM3 and have him school you idiots.
 

Hotboxbudz

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Pinworm, bro. We are not talking about preharvest flushing. Maybe you miss read what we are saying to do and when? I agree, flushing before harvest is not a good method.
 

Pinworm

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Pinworm, bro. We are not talking about preharvest flushing. Maybe you miss read what we are saying to do and when?
Oh, I am sorry. Mayhaps you were talking about some OTHER type of flushing that is somehow beneficial to plant growth. Please proceed, and explain why any type of flushing would be beneficial to a plants growth or production. Also, please cite your work.
 

fssalaska

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Oh, I am sorry. Mayhaps you were talking about some OTHER type of flushing that is somehow beneficial to plant growth. Please proceed, and explain why any type of flushing would be beneficial to a plants growth or production. Please cite your work.
Salt build up for one that can lead to burn or lockout, like Hotboxbudz said.
 
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