Foliar Feeding

Foliar feed or not?

  • Yes, foliar feed to enhance soil nutes.

    Votes: 13 68.4%

  • No, the soil have enough nutes no need to foliar feed.

    Votes: 6 31.6%
  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .
doobnVA

doobnVA

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LUDACRIS said:
yes have your plants in a good medium feed them good nutes and no need for foilar feeding and you wont have plant problems.

LUDA.
;-)
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Is that a promise? If you're wrong, do I get my money back? :bigjoint: I'm pretty sure you can have a "good medium" and feed your plants "good nutes" and still have problems. Nutrients build up in the soil and affect the ph of the soil, neither of which is the case with foliar feeding.
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

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doobnVA said:
Is that a promise? If you're wrong, do I get my money back? :bigjoint: I'm pretty sure you can have a "good medium" and feed your plants "good nutes" and still have problems. Nutrients build up in the soil and affect the ph of the soil, neither of which is the case with foliar feeding.
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yes its a promise.
and i always give a money back guarantee :lol::lol:.
(if you are not completely satisfied send the goods back for a full refund:lol::lol::lol:).

LUDA.
;-)
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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plants take up nutes from the soil, foliar feeding is just a quick fix when you are deficiant... do not spray your bulb, raise youl light up as high as it can go, spray away from the bulb or it will blow up in yer face, as for burning..., if you got good ventilation and circulation it will dry before it can burn anything ... leave yer light up high fer 10 min. and it will prolly be dry enuff... carfull not to burn the blant with nutes......... all you need is in yer soil but if you must use caution..... i sometimes will hit em with streight water spray just to clean em and or keep the humidity up but any foliar feeding is really unnessasary unless you are deficiant...... good luck


peace
 
sguardians2

sguardians2

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doobnVA said:
I have never tried foliar feeding as I'm a bit put off by the thought of mold, etc, but I don't think it should be completely discounted.

Are we really that dependent on someone else to tell us what to do that we can't solve a simple problem ourselves? Okay, so a drop of water under a light acts like a magnifying glass and can burn your plants. If you foliar feed while the lights are out, this becomes a non-issue. Mold and mildew are completely preventable as well. Good air flow, proper humidity levels and temperatures are all things that have a direct influence on mold and mildew growth. Obviously you don't want to spray the flowers (buds) with water or fertilizer, especially close to harvest time, so BE CAREFUL! Don't go in there with a fire hose and soak the whole room.

I think the "pros" outweigh the "cons", as long as you use common sense. Unfortunately, there seems to be a shortage of that and NO you can't borrow mine...
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Aww, come on, why not? LOL

Thanks for your input, I would + rep you but I already have in your post on simpson sampson 420's thread.
 
sguardians2

sguardians2

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tusseltussel said:
plants take up nutes from the soil, foliar feeding is just a quick fix when you are deficiant... do not spray your bulb, raise youl light up as high as it can go, spray away from the bulb or it will blow up in yer face, as for burning..., if you got good ventilation and circulation it will dry before it can burn anything ... leave yer light up high fer 10 min. and it will prolly be dry enuff... carfull not to burn the blant with nutes......... all you need is in yer soil but if you must use caution..... i sometimes will hit em with streight water spray just to clean em and or keep the humidity up but any foliar feeding is really unnessasary unless you are deficiant...... good luck


peace
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Like when you lock up the nutes through over-watering, I've done that before.

Thank you very much for that thoughtful insight.

+ rep to ya
 
sguardians2

sguardians2

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Ooops, won't let me + rep you either, already did it earlier I guess. You must give great answers as a matter of course!
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

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tusseltussel said:
plants take up nutes from the soil, foliar feeding is just a quick fix when you are deficiant... do not spray your bulb, raise youl light up as high as it can go, spray away from the bulb or it will blow up in yer face, as for burning..., if you got good ventilation and circulation it will dry before it can burn anything ... leave yer light up high fer 10 min. and it will prolly be dry enuff... carfull not to burn the blant with nutes......... all you need is in yer soil but if you must use caution..... i sometimes will hit em with streight water spray just to clean em and or keep the humidity up but any foliar feeding is really unnessasary unless you are deficiant...... good luck


peace
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yes correct tussel foilar feed with just plain water only to clean the leafes if need be (only in vegg).
no need to foilar feed plants with nutes.

LUDA.
;-)
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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sguardians2 said:
Like when you lock up the nutes through over-watering, I've done that before.

Thank you very much for that thoughtful insight.

+ rep to ya
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since you mentioned overwatering i will poke my head in again and say.... when you over water a lot you may start seeing fungus gnats best way to solve both problems is to not over water. if you don't give the gnat a perfect environment to live in, it won't live there. and nute lockout wont happen and root rot wont happen.
 
doc111

doc111

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sguardians2 said:
Like when you lock up the nutes through over-watering, I've done that before.

Thank you very much for that thoughtful insight.

+ rep to ya
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Lockups usually occur as a result of pH issues or salt buildup, not overwatering. Although very hard water can cause lockup as well.
You definitely shouldn't overwater though.
 
LUDACRIS

LUDACRIS

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tusseltussel said:
since you mentioned overwatering i will poke my head in again and say.... when you over water a lot you may start seeing fungus gnats best way to solve both problems is to not over water. if you don't give the gnat a perfect environment to live in, it won't live there. and nute lockout wont happen and root rot wont happen.
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100% tussel.

LUDA.
;-)
 
sguardians2

sguardians2

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doc111 said:
Lockups usually occur as a result of pH issues or salt buildup, not overwatering. Although very hard water can cause lockup as well.
You definitely shouldn't overwater though.
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Thanks for posting.

When you over-water and have pH problems, look out, you're in for a long slow veg period and trouble with nutes, at this point you have to foliar feed until you get the situation corrected IMHO.
 
svchop889

svchop889

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i burnt mine by spraying even under 43w of cfl dont do it man, if you do, do it a few hours before your lights come on
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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sguardians2 said:
Thanks for posting.

When you over-water and have pH problems, look out, you're in for a long slow veg period and trouble with nutes, at this point you have to foliar feed until you get the situation corrected IMHO.
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when you over water you just gotta wait for it to dry out thats all, should only take a few days to a week this does not give you longterm problems unless you just refuse to stop overwatering.... remember its not how much but how often, unless you got crappy little slow release jawns in yer soil then it is how much and how often... a long slow veg period may be due to having too small a plant in too big a pot which would cause it to not dry out fast enough. or a bad soil mix thats too heavy and retains water too long could be a problem, you may benafite from keeping yer plant a little root bound under theese conditions
 
sguardians2

sguardians2

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tusseltussel said:
when you over water you just gotta wait for it to dry out thats all, should only take a few days to a week this does not give you longterm problems unless you just refuse to stop overwatering.... remember its not how much but how often, unless you got crappy little slow release jawns in yer soil then it is how much and how often... a long slow veg period may be due to having too small a plant in too big a pot which would cause it to not dry out fast enough. or a bad soil mix thats too heavy and retains water too long could be a problem, you may benafite from keeping yer plant a little root bound under theese conditions
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Your input is greatly appreciated.

My issue was bad soil that held water too long. The wife bought the wrong stuff, MG garden soil not the potting soil (the garden soil is meant for outside where the ground might be dry, the plant in the picture is planted in MG potting soil and has had no issues) I went ahead and mixed the MG garden soil with perlite 30%, bat guano, bone meal and blood meal, which dried it somewhat. The mistake I made was watering after transplant, shoulda left it alone.

My moisture meter shows an over-wet condition after 2 weeks of no watering.

The plants are doing alright after showing some signs of nute burn, maybe the bat guano? The lower fan leaves turned yellow.
But the plants seem to be doing okay now, I've even been able to top them, and have signs of 4 main colas on each now, nice new growth in spite of the earlier issues.
 
doc111

doc111

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sguardians2 said:
Your input is greatly appreciated.

My issue was bad soil that held water too long. The wife bought the wrong stuff, MG garden soil not the potting soil (the garden soil is meant for outside where the ground might be dry, the plant in the picture is planted in MG potting soil and has had no issues) I went ahead and mixed the MG garden soil with perlite 30%, bat guano, bone meal and blood meal, which dried it somewhat. The mistake I made was watering after transplant, shoulda left it alone.

My moisture meter shows an over-wet condition after 2 weeks of no watering.

The plants are doing alright after showing some signs of nute burn, maybe the bat guano? The lower fan leaves turned yellow.
But the plants seem to be doing okay now, I've even been able to top them, and have signs of 4 main colas on each now, nice new growth in spite of the earlier issues.
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All of those organic ferts combined in that soil could've given you nute burn, not just the bat guano. Not all bat guano is created equal either. There are different kinds of bat poop which have differing NPK ratios. You can use garden soil and just loosen it up with some perlite and other amendments like you did and it works fine (not so sure about MG garden soil). Most MG products contain built in timed release ferts. Even their perlite contains ferts.
 
sguardians2

sguardians2

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doc111 said:
All of those organic ferts combined in that soil could've given you nute burn, not just the bat guano. Not all bat guano is created equal either. There are different kinds of bat poop which have differing NPK ratios. You can use garden soil and just loosen it up with some perlite and other amendments like you did and it works fine (not so sure about MG garden soil). Most MG products contain built in timed release ferts. Even their perlite contains ferts.
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MG garden soil has no perlite, had to add my own.

You're right, my soil mix is a super soil mix. The plants have gotten over the shock of the transplant into the super soil and are doing quite well now.
 
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