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irieie

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Isisyogi said:
The best thing to lower the costs across the board is for the homegrowers to be able to sell their overages to the dispensaries. Lowers cost all around. Now, mind you, a caregiver is not legally allowed to charge for MMJ, it's a donation and a reimbursement of funds which is not allowed to factor in time, meaning that all homegrowers are not allowed to factor in their time spent tending to their crop. Anyone will tell you this is bullshit. It's a time consuming thing. Lots of trial and error, lots of dialing in. Let's not forget risk factor. So, realistically, a caregiver could have a great harvest, take care of their patients needs at whatever donation amount they had, and then the excess could be sold at a reasonable rate, without hassle, to the dispensaries. This gives patients with caregivers reasonable rates, the caregiver is able to recoup funds (the loss of time the put in but could not charge their patients) from selling their excess to the dispensaries at a reasonable rate, the dispensaries are able to lessen their overhead (many aspects) and pass that savings along to the dispensary patients. The dispensary is so regulated, taxed, monitored that no MMJ is falling into the hands of those without cards, and the economy gets a boost from the tax revenue. Because the legal route would be more affordable, street value would drop as well. It's a win win. Dispensaries allow for revenue to be collected that profits the communities, which pleases the voters, which help change the laws.

Bottom line is always money. Unfortunately. Money wins elections. So if you want MMJ to not be a hassle, you have to vote with the knowledge that there has to be a "pay out" to the community at large. Revenue.

You pay $400 an ounce now for high quality, right? Do you pay sales tax on it? Federal or state? Why would you think it unfair to a business owner with a large, flashing, oscillating bullseye on them horrible for charging the same? For better quality? With no hassle? I think you want a magic garden, let me know if you find one ;)

As always, once something has been available for a length of time, the cost drops dramatically.
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i dont know what kind of bullshit you are talking about but the laws as states right now is such:
36-2806. Registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensaries; requirements

(Caution: 1998 Prop. 105 applies)

A. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall be operated on a not-for-profit basis. The bylaws of a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall contain such provisions relative to the disposition of revenues and receipts to establish and maintain its nonprofit character. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary need not be recognized as tax-exempt by the internal revenue service and is not required to incorporate pursuant to title 10, chapter 19, article 1.
B. The operating documents of a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall include procedures for the oversight of the registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary and procedures to ensure accurate recordkeeping.
C. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall have a single secure entrance and shall implement appropriate security measures to deter and prevent the theft of marijuana and unauthorized entrance into areas containing marijuana.
D. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary is prohibited from acquiring, possessing, cultivating, manufacturing, delivering, transferring, transporting, supplying or dispensing marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the registered qualifying patients' designated caregivers.
E. All cultivation of marijuana must take place in an enclosed, locked facility at a physical address provided to the department during the registration process, which can only be accessed by registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary agents associated in the registry with the nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary.
F. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary may acquire usable marijuana or marijuana plants from a registered qualifying patient or a registered designated caregiver only if the registered qualifying patient or registered designated caregiver receives no compensation for the marijuana.
G. A nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall not permit any person to consume marijuana on the property of a nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary.
H. Registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensaries are subject to reasonable inspection by the department. The department shall give reasonable notice of an inspection under this subsection.


the truth is the laws as written does not allow for caregivers and dispensaries to coexist. you are living in a fantasy world when you say oh yeah open the dispensaries it will be great for the home grower they can just sell to the dispensary. frankly i say why do we need dispensaries at all. especially if they are just gonna buy from caregivers and then jack up the price on patients. fuck that there are many states with mmj that dont have dispensaries and patients can still get their medicine. stop acting like we must have you do us a favor by selling someone elses crop for a rip off. get the fuck outa here. we can see through your bullshit. go get rid of the 25 mile rule and get rid of the clause saying you cant exchange anything of value and then well talk. in the meantime you are just blowing smoke up our ass to push your agenda so you can open your dispensary and start ripping patients off. until the actual laws is amended, i say fuck dispensaries and fuck anyone under the guise of wanting to open a dispensary because they wanna help patients. if you really wanna help patients just grow some plants, you dont need a dispensary to do that ever.
 
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Isisyogi

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irieie said:
i dont know what kind of bullshit you are talking about but the laws as states right now is such:
36-2806. Registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensaries; requirements

(Caution: 1998 Prop. 105 applies)

A. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall be operated on a not-for-profit basis. The bylaws of a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall contain such provisions relative to the disposition of revenues and receipts to establish and maintain its nonprofit character. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary need not be recognized as tax-exempt by the internal revenue service and is not required to incorporate pursuant to title 10, chapter 19, article 1.
B. The operating documents of a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall include procedures for the oversight of the registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary and procedures to ensure accurate recordkeeping.
C. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall have a single secure entrance and shall implement appropriate security measures to deter and prevent the theft of marijuana and unauthorized entrance into areas containing marijuana.
D. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary is prohibited from acquiring, possessing, cultivating, manufacturing, delivering, transferring, transporting, supplying or dispensing marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the registered qualifying patients' designated caregivers.
E. All cultivation of marijuana must take place in an enclosed, locked facility at a physical address provided to the department during the registration process, which can only be accessed by registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary agents associated in the registry with the nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary.
F. A registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary may acquire usable marijuana or marijuana plants from a registered qualifying patient or a registered designated caregiver only if the registered qualifying patient or registered designated caregiver receives no compensation for the marijuana.
G. A nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary shall not permit any person to consume marijuana on the property of a nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary.
H. Registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensaries are subject to reasonable inspection by the department. The department shall give reasonable notice of an inspection under this subsection.


the truth is the laws as written does not allow for caregivers and dispensaries to coexist. you are living in a fantasy world when you say oh yeah open the dispensaries it will be great for the home grower they can just sell to the dispensary. frankly i say why do we need dispensaries at all. especially if they are just gonna buy from caregivers and then jack up the price on patients. fuck that there are many states with mmj that dont have dispensaries and patients can still get their medicine. stop acting like we must have you do us a favor by selling someone elses crop for a rip off. get the fuck outa here. we can see through your bullshit. go get rid of the 25 mile rule and get rid of the clause saying you cant exchange anything of value and then well talk. in the meantime you are just blowing smoke up our ass to push your agenda so you can open your dispensary and start ripping patients off. until the actual laws is amended, i say fuck dispensaries and fuck anyone under the guise of wanting to open a dispensary because they wanna help patients. if you really wanna help patients just grow some plants, you dont need a dispensary to do that ever.
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And what part of what I said doesn't go along with your post? I specifically stated that the law wasn't written for the caregivers to sell to the dispensaries, but that it should be. Re-read it. I know the rules. So you copy and pasted them, do you understand them? Swear at me all you want, as a caregiver, you cannot turn a profit either. At least with a dispensary in the picture, you are able to not only provide compassion to your 5 patients, but you might have the ability to be compensated by selling any excess to the dispensary down the line, if you actually took the time to understand how the system could work if set up correctly. Tunnel vision. You are a part of the problem that the politicians rely on. No concept of the bigger picture. Who the fuck do you think pays for the laws to change? Small potatoes, or people on a larger scale willing to put their money and ass on the line? You wanna fight the dispensaries opening? Then you are no better than Brewer. Fact is, people voted. Fact is, if you work within the system, you can change it to be good for all. Fight it, and we all lose. Forethought.


BTW, I'm a card holder, a legal caregiver, an oncology massage therapist and I specialize in restorative yoga. You really think that I don't live my life trying to make it better for all? Get a clue. You are fighting for what you think makes it easier for YOU. I'm fighting for what I think makes it better for all. Go to school and learn some basic economics and politics, then get back to me with your actual thoughts, not your copy and paste and your poor interpretations.
 
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irieie

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Isisyogi said:
At least with a dispensary in the picture, you are able to not only provide compassion to your 5 patients, but you might have the ability to be compensated by selling any excess to the dispensary down the line, if you actually took the time to understand how the system could work if set up correctly.
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i understand your bullshit plan and i dont really see any need for a dispensary. if this is your only reason for dispensaries there really is no real need for them at all. you have said it yourself they are a huge liability. and if they are not even producing the medicine then why are they necessary especially if they just create a huge target in a hostile environment. i wanted to post the actual law so people would not read your bullshit and think your fantasy was actual fact. you can personally attack me all you want that still wont get people to believe your bullshit. oh btw i have a degree in marketing from wp carey business school. where did you learn your economics massage school? your not fighting for anything other than your own self interest. stop self glorifying your own petty bullshit. unlike you i have a real job which does not have anything to do with MMJ. i grow for my patients and because i love the plant not because my livelyhood depends on it as it seems for you.
 
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Isisyogi

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irieie said:
i understand your bullshit plan and i dont really see any need for a dispensary. if this is your only reason for dispensaries there really is no real need for them at all. you have said it yourself they are a huge liability. and if they are not even producing the medicine then why are they necessary especially if they just create a huge target in a hostile environment. i wanted to post the actual law so people would not read your bullshit and think your fantasy was actual fact. you can personally attack me all you want that still wont get people to believe your bullshit. oh btw i have a degree in marketing from wp carey business school. where did you learn your economics massage school? your not fighting for anything other than your own self interest. stop self glorifying your own petty bullshit. unlike you i have a real job which does not have anything to do with MMJ. i grow for my patients and because i love the plant not because my livelyhood depends on it as it seems for you.
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Unlike me you have a real job?? I deal with dying people every day, I doubt you have the stomach to deal with what I do. Can't get much more real than helping along some who is terminal, or offering comfort to their loved ones. I have my MBA. My parents both passed away, my mom from a horrible rare terminal disease, and get this, I wanted to do something that actually made a difference, so I changed my life. Got a problem with that? Nursing your dying loved ones will do that to you, try nurturing sometime.

1200+ posts, yeah, sure, you are a professional!! LOL. You are such a hostile little shit, I doubt everything you say. I checked out your many other posts, you are an asshole who often argues and then finds out he actually didn't read what was written. You didn't post that to show others the law, you misread what I wrote and missed my point completely and just don't have the balls to admit it. You have your head so far up your ass, it'll be a long time before you learn an ounce of humility. Enjoy the view. Your attitude and point of view will get you far in life. Best wishes for sunshine and happiness.
 
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Philosophist

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irieie said:
i understand your bullshit plan and i dont really see any need for a dispensary. if this is your only reason for dispensaries there really is no real need for them at all. you have said it yourself they are a huge liability. and if they are not even producing the medicine then why are they necessary especially if they just create a huge target in a hostile environment. i wanted to post the actual law so people would not read your bullshit and think your fantasy was actual fact. you can personally attack me all you want that still wont get people to believe your bullshit. oh btw i have a degree in marketing from wp carey business school. where did you learn your economics massage school? your not fighting for anything other than your own self interest. stop self glorifying your own petty bullshit. unlike you i have a real job which does not have anything to do with MMJ. i grow for my patients and because i love the plant not because my livelyhood depends on it as it seems for you.
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Verbal rape

Oh Irieie how i adore your rage.....and your wanton desire to unleash it en masse.
 
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irieie

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Isisyogi said:
Unlike me you have a real job?? I deal with dying people every day, I doubt you have the stomach to deal with what I do. Can't get much more real than helping along some who is terminal, or offering comfort to their loved ones. I have my MBA. My parents both passed away, my mom from a horrible rare terminal disease, and get this, I wanted to do something that actually made a difference, so I changed my life. Got a problem with that? Nursing your dying loved ones will do that to you, try nurturing sometime.

1200+ posts, yeah, sure, you are a professional!! LOL. You are such a hostile little shit, I doubt everything you say. I checked out your many other posts, you are an asshole who often argues and then finds out he actually didn't read what was written. You didn't post that to show others the law, you misread what I wrote and missed my point completely and just don't have the balls to admit it. You have your head so far up your ass, it'll be a long time before you learn an ounce of humility. Enjoy the view. Your attitude and point of view will get you far in life. Best wishes for sunshine and happiness.
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oooh your soo touchy. go take your fucking sob story somewhere else. i really could not care less about what some washed up 40 year old loser who is trying to take advantage of patients thinks about anything. i am just calling it like i see it. if you dont like it then maybe you should make a change to your life again. where did you get your MBA from University of Phoenix? and where did you do your undergrad, Arizona Massage school? give it up asshole, patients and caregivers dont want your fucking dispensary. go read the rest of my 1200 posts maybe you will actually learn something about growing and save your shitty looking plants. oh and i guess you learned statistic at massage school also because if you will notice i average 3.21 posts per day, go figure out how long it took me to get this many posts. you truly are grasping at straws here and you are truly an idiot if you think no one one here with more than 1000 posts has a job. since you say i misread your point please clarify for me so i get the true meaning of what you are trying to say. or are you gonna continue to personally attack me rather than actually argue your bogus points. nice ad hominem attack got any other argumentative fallacies you want to explore rather than arguing your point?
 
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Isisyogi

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irieie said:
oooh your soo touchy. go take your fucking sob story somewhere else. i really could not care less about what some washed up 40 year old loser who is trying to take advantage of patients thinks about anything. i am just calling it like i see it. if you dont like it then maybe you should make a change to your life again. where did you get your MBA from University of Phoenix? and where did you do your undergrad, Arizona Massage school? give it up asshole, patients and caregivers dont want your fucking dispensary. go read the rest of my 1200 posts maybe you will actually learn something about growing and save your shitty looking plants. oh and i guess you learned statistic at massage school also because if you will notice i average 3.21 posts per day, go figure out how long it took me to get this many posts. you truly are grasping at straws here and you are truly an idiot if you think no one one here with more than 1000 posts has a job. since you say i misread your point please clarify for me so i get the true meaning of what you are trying to say. or are you gonna continue to personally attack me rather than actually argue your bogus points. nice ad hominem attack got any other argumentative fallacies you want to explore rather than arguing your point?
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Hmmm...only someone so insecure would lash out and attack in such a manner. I wish you the best and hope that life gives you all that you desire.
 
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irieie

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Isisyogi said:
Hmmm...only someone so insecure would lash out and attack in such a manner. I wish you the best and hope that life gives you all that you desire.
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what no clarification of what you were actually saying? or are you conceding because you know you are full of shit. thats right tuck your tail between your legs and crawl back under whatever rock you emerged from.
 
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Isisyogi

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irieie said:
what no clarification of what you were actually saying? or are you conceding because you know you are full of shit. thats right tuck your tail between your legs and crawl back under whatever rock you emerged from.
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All hail the exalted king...legend of his own mind.
 
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irieie

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Isisyogi said:
All hail the exalted king...legend of his own mind.
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another ad hominem attack because you have no real substantial response of any value? please explain the merits of your plan again and who it truly benefits in the end. here is an opportunity, again to explain yourself. we are all waiting.......
 
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Philosophist

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Oh and spare us all the bleeding heart
"I see people dying, I help people...my mommy and daddy are dead. YOu DONT KNOW MY PAIN!!!!!!! WHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH ::sniffle sniffle::

Cry baby.... we ALL help people... but if you have to use your good deeds as a weapon in a verbal sparring match....they stop being good deeds, and become something YOU do to make yourself look good to other people. You are probably a scum bag asshole that no one likes. Make friends with Lucious Venereal ...no one lies him either. You guys can hang out, play ookie cookie together and have a blast talking about all the sick dying people you guys have saved.....
 
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irieie

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Philosophist said:
Oh and spare us all the bleeding heart
"I see people dying, I help people...my mommy and daddy are dead. YOu DONT KNOW MY PAIN!!!!!!! WHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH ::sniffle sniffle::

Cry baby.... we ALL help people... but if you have to use your good deeds as a weapon in a verbal sparring match....they stop being good deeds, and become something YOU do to make yourself look good to other people. You are probably a scum bag asshole that no one likes. Make friends with Lucious Venereal ...no one lies him either. You guys can hang out, play ookie cookie together and have a blast talking about all the sick dying people you guys have saved.....
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damn man that shit made me laugh for a minute. no holds barred, brutal.
 
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Isisyogi

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irieie said:
another ad hominem attack because you have no real substantial response of any value? please explain the merits of your plan again and who it truly benefits in the end. here is an opportunity, again to explain yourself. we are all waiting.......
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Actually, of the two of us, I am the only one who explained her point of view, who was willing to discuss ideas. You came on and made demands, basically your way or suffer the wrath. I get it. You are young. You think you are smarter than everyone. You think you know the big picture. When you can discuss something without giving misinformation and lame cut-downs, then I'm open to discussing points of view. It's painfully obvious that you aren't up for discussion.

Again, I wish you well. I hope your passion will serve you well in the future. Harnessed, you could do great things with it.




Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
 
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Isisyogi

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Philosophist said:
Bitch move...... IF you dont have a good come back or something witty to say, save yourself the bashing and go elsewhere you moron......like back to Azcs gimp closet where you came from.
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I see it's romper room in here. Philosophist, lol. That's ironic.

Best wishes with your sharp wit and open mind.
 
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Isisyogi

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Philosophist said:
Oh and spare us all the bleeding heart
"I see people dying, I help people...my mommy and daddy are dead. YOu DONT KNOW MY PAIN!!!!!!! WHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH ::sniffle sniffle::

Cry baby.... we ALL help people... but if you have to use your good deeds as a weapon in a verbal sparring match....they stop being good deeds, and become something YOU do to make yourself look good to other people. You are probably a scum bag asshole that no one likes. Make friends with Lucious Venereal ...no one lies him either. You guys can hang out, play ookie cookie together and have a blast talking about all the sick dying people you guys have saved.....
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Wow, therapy is needed. Never aimed for a verbal sparring match. Enjoy your youth.
 
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