For Child's Eyes Only

Kite High · May 7, 2013

millie said:
I still think it would be more affective if adults can see it too. In child abuse cases it is the responsibility of other adults to help the child not the child him/herself. If they really want to decrease child abuse they need to put pressure on the government to increase child protective laws. That means advertising needs to be focused at adults too because at the end of the day they are the ones who are capable of substantial change.

wow...people just do not think...if the child is with the abuser and the abuser also sees the message to the child then it will not save anything....more laws...bullshit...laws dont curb shit...look they have gotten really hard on the law books against sex crimes...has it helped anything? no...its is worse than before they made the the laws harder...EVERY TIME the government tries to fix a problem with laws they only make it worse not better...like the drug laws for instance

and if you look at the sign it does have a message for adults...just not the same one....the adult doesn't need the "if you are being abused call us we're here to help kids" message do they? ... but these children do need to see a way to get help that the abuser is unaware of

giving the child a message of help that the abuser cannot see is a good thing...I dont care what you think about that

MojoRison · May 7, 2013

millie said:
I still think it would be more affective if adults can see it too. In child abuse cases it is the responsibility of other adults to help the child not the child him/herself. If they really want to decrease child abuse they need to put pressure on the government to increase child protective laws. That means advertising needs to be focused at adults too because at the end of the day they are the ones who are capable of substantial change.

I think they {the ad people} feel that most adults are aware of what a child looks like when they've been abused and know from past experience that if an ad or something is overtly obvious about it's subject matter {you really can't hide a kid with shiner} then they {the abuser} will stay clear of such stimuli and keep the child away from such influence and shield the child from a desire to change their situation personally, such as this ads does.

I think that is main reason for this type of ad, so the abuser isn't aware of what the child is looking at, being influenced by.... hence my hesitation on excepting this openly.

Grandpapy · May 7, 2013

My age group never had anything like that. Shut up, man up was the call of the day.

I think the sign is great if it helps just one kid, but wish more emphasis was put on there for help for the abuser. It's cheaper then prison.

Kite High · May 7, 2013

Samwell Seed Well said:
really is a tough issue ,

obviously the sign would help,

but what problems would the actions of the signs over time have, state foster systems are messed up, more oftenthen not kids victims of abuse are not in situations where famiuly will take care of them say if one or both parents are jailed, or family option are just as bad, these kids end up in foster care, and or wards of the state, look that up before you think a tough life is worse them state jails for kids due to insubordination and or ripple effects of abuse(not uncommon to a child of abused that is swept under the carpet in a state run foster system)

idk . . tough one

but is it better to just leave the child with the abuser because foster care sucks? although I totally agree that our foster care system is horrendous at best...that is something we adults can change....demand that anyone with the intent of being paid foster parents must pass psych tests, background checks and random unannounced checks of their homes and the children...not the announced I'll be there Friday at 1 pm bullshit they do now

Kite High · May 7, 2013

Grandpapy said:
My age group never had anything like that. Shut up, man up was the call of the day.

I think the sign is great if it helps just one kid, but wish more emphasis was put on there for help for the abuser. It's cheaper then prison.

yeah no shit....I know i never even thought of calling anybody to say dad beat my ass...hell the cops would have just told him to whip my ass more....lol

Kite High · May 7, 2013

DonPepe said:
the first thing i thought is what happens when people start hiding...... less politically correct messages in signs that only children will notice.... i imagine this is only the stage 2 of selective advertising, use it for benevolent purposes first to gain public trust, then apply to other purposes.

but then again i am always cynical when it comes to humans.....

well lets be honest...it will be corporately employed with "TELL MOM YOU WANT A ___________" fill in your corporate child product...that is where it will see the most use

MojoRison · May 7, 2013

Grandpapy said:
My age group never had anything like that. Shut up, man up was the call of the day.

I think the sign is great if it helps just one kid, but wish more emphasis was put on there for help for the abuser. It's cheaper then prison.

I grew up in a family where love was all around and yet still there hung a cloud of uncertainty, my grandfather came from a generation where the "rule of thumb" applied not only to his wife but his children as well. That is not to make the man a beast and of no heart but just to emphasize the difference in ideals, from an age where things such as this weren't discussed in open forum. I'm in total agreement with you on this point, there must be more places for the abuser to get the help needed, if only more would honest and except this fact things might be different.

It's sad to think that most of us here are aware of what I'm speaking of and some more so than others

millie · May 7, 2013

Kite High said:
wow...people just do not think...if the child is with the abuser and the abuser also sees the message to the child then it will not save anything....more laws...bullshit...laws dont curb shit...look they have gotten really hard on the law books against sex crimes...has it helped anything? no...its is worse than before they made the the laws harder...EVERY TIME the government tries to fix a problem with laws they only make it worse not better...like the drug laws for instance

and if you look at the sign it does have a message for adults...just not the same one....the adult doesn't need the "if you are being abused call us we're here to help kids" message do they? ... but these children do need to see a way to get help that the abuser is unaware of

giving the child a message of help that the abuser cannot see is a good thing...I dont care what you think about that

ummm so i dont think? even though ive been a victim of child abuse? ok. Btw i dont think the signs are a bad thing but when you are being abused by someone you look up to doesnt matter if its a parent or whatever you arent going to what to leave them or get them into trouble no matter what they are doing. It's very hard for children to speak out about the people who are their care givers and they are very close to. My comment was not only about laws it was also about other adults doing what they can to help. Do you know how difficult it is for teachers to accuse a parents of child abuse? Children have little power and little rights when it comes to child abuse.

millie · May 7, 2013

sunni said:
i would imagine than if the adult seen it, they would beat the child and hover over the phone to make sure the child doesnt call for help. any other concerned adult for the child can easily pick up a phone book and know what number to call

Definately a tough topic but i still think putting the pressure on kids to do something is the wrong approach to take. Many adults just simply dont see it as their place to do anything even if they are aware of it. That's what i believe needs changing.

Kite High · May 7, 2013

Sorry you were abused. Do you know that teachers are required by law to report ANY suspicion of abuse? Another strike against your laws argument

Never said you don't think. But if you feel the shoe fits... as you must since it apparently offended you a bit hence your inquiry

Kite High · May 7, 2013

millie said:
Definately a tough topic but i still think putting the pressure on kids to do something is the wrong approach to take. Many adults just simply dont see it as their place to do anything even if they are aware of it. That's what i believe needs changing.

Really don't follow your pressure on the youth. Your perspective is obviously skewed. It is a resource for help not a " you better call " demand.

millie · May 7, 2013

Kite High said:
Sorry you were abused. Do you know that teachers are required by law to report ANY suspicion of abuse? Another strike against your laws argument

Required by law is not the same thing as reporting it. I honestly dont care what you think about the current child protection laws but in my eyes i dont see a difference between hitting a child and hitting an adult and when a parent can admit to hitting their child and not get into any trouble for it i think something needs to change. Im not going to pry into your life but it would be interesting to hear some of your suggestions to help give children more protection and reduce abuse instead of just having a go at mine. Btw drug laws are a completely different set of circumstances to child protection laws. Drugs being illegal increases their price and puts it into the hands of drug syndicates. All you are doing with child protection laws is making it so when there is proof of an adult hitting a child they are punished for it.

millie · May 7, 2013

Kite High said:
Really don't follow your pressure on the youth. Your perspective is obviously skewed. It is a resource for help not a " you better call " demand.

yeah i worded that really badly...I meant more that it shouldnt be for the child to decide wether to get their abuser into legal trouble or not.

Flaming Pie · May 7, 2013

millie said:
Required by law is not the same thing as reporting it. I honestly dont care what you think about the current child protection laws but in my eyes i dont see a difference between hitting a child and hitting an adult and when a parent can admit to hitting their child and not get into any trouble for it i think something needs to change. Im not going to pry into your life but it would be interesting to hear some of your suggestions to help give children more protection and reduce abuse instead of just having a go at mine. Btw drug laws are a completely different set of circumstances to child protection laws. Drugs being illegal increases their price and puts it into the hands of drug syndicates. All you are doing with child protection laws is making it so when there is proof of an adult hitting a child they are punished for it.

Where the hell can an adult admit to that and not get in trouble?

We are talking about hitting, not spanking, correct?

millie · May 7, 2013

Flaming Pie said:
Where the hell can an adult admit to that and not get in trouble?

We are talking about hitting, not spanking, correct?

Corporal punishment isnt illegal if you are a parent or guardian. There isnt any difference whether its done on the bottom, face, stomach whatever. The line between what is corporal punishment and what is abuse is very skewed. That's why i believe laws need to be set-out better because currently parents can get away with a lot more than what they should be able to.

millie · May 7, 2013

Anyway im done with this thread. Ive given my opinion on how child abuse may be able to be reduced and havent really heard much in return. I admit its a difficult subject and a lot of people will disagree with me but this is just what i believe would be most beneficial for children suffering from it.

Flaming Pie · May 7, 2013

If I saw someone "abusing" a child, you can bet I would stop it right then and there.

Hell if I saw two kids slugging it out I would stop it.

Can't just turn a blind eye to violence.

MojoRison · May 7, 2013

This is sore subject for obvious reasons and applaud this group for it's honesty.

Kite High · May 7, 2013

MojoRison said:
This is sore subject for obvious reasons and applaud this group for it's honesty.

and I wish to thank you for your demeanor and outlook ...quite refreshing

Kite High · May 7, 2013

millie said:
Anyway im done with this thread. Ive given my opinion on how child abuse may be able to be reduced and havent really heard much in return. I admit its a difficult subject and a lot of people will disagree with me but this is just what i believe would be most beneficial for children suffering from it.

have a good one...personally I agree with spanking...I truly believe that this change in attitude is why so many children are disrespectful and slackers who truly believe they are entitled...but have a good one since you are done

I believe that education is the answer...not laws

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