Fragile back at it. DIY RDWC with the things.

JohnDee · Feb 20, 2020

fragileassassin said:
It didnt have to be like that at all lmao. My veg systems is one of the most complex ones ive seen yet. Most people go for simple.
I just wanted to build a system that fit my exact needs and thats what I came up with. It was an absolute blast to build it.
When I first built my stuff, I had a bunch of other people telling me I was over complicating things all the time, but I do what I want and have loved how everything turned out.
It was the complexity of RDWC that really had me wanting to do it. I jump all in with that and havent looked back. Never done anything in soil.

I played with a bunch different topping and manifold techniques over the summer and I found this to be the fastest way to split the plant. 1 top and some super cropping early on is all I need. This current crop was 8 week from cut off their mother to flip.

Never done soil?

I was always afraid of hydro. Years ago...a friend bought a hydro kit. He hadn't a clue, and of course killed the plants. So that was my first exposure...never had soil grows do that.

But later...when the Dutch dudes started doing sog...I had to try it. Loved small plant E&F and did it for a few years.

Now just 4 waterfarms and the waterfarm controller and res for automation...and a few coco plants that I feed from the same res.

Working out ok...but my aged landraces...I have to do custom mixes. Only 3 of them right now. It's working out good. Tha landrace sativas take two full hybrid grows to mature. So once my current crop is finished...so will the landraces that I will have planted 16 weeks earlier.

I'm seriously eyeing a different rig for sale in our RV park. It has a fenced private area that I could do an outside grow each summer. Got a guy looking at my place and he'll give me some time to move...sp I may have a different grow space soon. Onward and upward...
Cheers bud,
JD

fragileassassin · Feb 20, 2020

Yeah. Soil always just looked boring to me tbh. My first grow ever I went for a 12 plant 10x10 with a 130 gallon rdwc system.
I love to diy and figure stuff out. I have a good bit of experience with playing with pvc and ABS pieces and just overall mechanically creative i guess id call it. Im good at looking at a problem and figuring out how to make something to fix it. With all of that rdwc just seemed like the obvious choice.
My total out of water experience is seedlings.

JohnDee · Feb 20, 2020

fragileassassin said:
Yeah. Soil always just looked boring to me tbh. My first grow ever I went for a 12 plant 10x10 with a 130 gallon rdwc system.
I love to diy and figure stuff out. I have a good bit of experience with playing with pvc and ABS pieces and just overall mechanically creative i guess id call it. Im good at looking at a problem and figuring out how to make something to fix it. With all of that rdwc just seemed like the obvious choice.
My total out of water experience is seedlings.

Well Fragile...you sure have the hydro down. Color me impressed.
JD

Airwalker16 · Feb 20, 2020

JohnDee said:
Well Fragile...you sure have the hydro down. Color me impressed.
JD

He sure does. I've been outdone

Airwalker16 · Feb 20, 2020

fragileassassin said:
Yeah. Soil always just looked boring to me tbh. My first grow ever I went for a 12 plant 10x10 with a 130 gallon rdwc system.
I love to diy and figure stuff out. I have a good bit of experience with playing with pvc and ABS pieces and just overall mechanically creative i guess id call it. Im good at looking at a problem and figuring out how to make something to fix it. With all of that rdwc just seemed like the obvious choice.
My total out of water experience is seedlings.

I also feel this is exactly how I approach it too.

JohnDee · Feb 20, 2020

Oh and @Just Be Sure we could start a Waterfarm club...or at least a little group conversation. There's you and me and Dr. Ambertrichome I'm sure there are more. I'm going to be really busy for a little while...but we can talk about it later. Be nice to pick some brains.
Cheers guys,
JD

lukio · Feb 21, 2020

looking real great! i actually dropped MegaCrop cause i had issues in flower ever since they changed the formula from the original...

looking forward to the flowers. hope your recovery went/is going well btw

fragileassassin · Feb 21, 2020

Airwalker16 said:
He sure does. I've been outdone

Wow... I do not take that lightly at all. I don't feel that's the case and I have plenty of experience left to gain, but thanks!
I owe a lot of it to you though. You were around arguing with my stubborn ass when I got started and got me in the right direction for sure.

JohnDee said:
Well Fragile...you sure have the hydro down. Color me impressed.
JD

Thank you! I still have plenty to learn from you guys though.

lukio said:
looking real great! i actually dropped MegaCrop cause i had issues in flower ever since they changed the formula from the original...

looking forward to the flowers. hope your recovery went/is going well btw

Recovering is going well but a little slower than I had hoped, thanks.
What kind of issues did you have?
Im playing with it in flower now. My flower feeding is the last thing I feel I really need to dial in. I love mc for veg and will probably keep using it for at least veg, but the next crop or two will determine if I keep using it for flower.

Im playing around with this for this grow. So far I have some minor tip burn on some of the new growth, but nothing huge.
My tap water runs 60-70 ppm and from the water reports I can find should be 35-40ppm of calcium and around 10 of mag. Ive been meaning to do a carbonate test. Ive been considering switching to masterblend for flower just because ive been able to find more info on people using it and dialing it in. The flowers ive completed so far I was just kinda winging it with MC and their BE and got decent enough results. Some of the plants didnt looks great though. Ive gotten a good grasp on individual element stuff but have struggle to find consistent information about desired N/P/K/Ca/Mg/S ppm throughout the flower cycle.

lukio · Feb 21, 2020

fragileassassin said:
What kind of issues did you have?

so i had this, twice, with the 2nd formula, RO water + 50ppm epsom salt. dtw coco under led, ive been under led for 7 years.

lights, camera, procrastination.

I was gonna reply to your post but I figured I'd better wait... in Portugal we used to say " ta manha" which basically means put it off til tomorrow...its probably why nothing gets done over there (: very pretty @lukio . anything you do special at the end to bring out the purples? cheers...

www.rollitup.org

i also nearly always found there was too much N.

Im back on the Canna Coco nutes for now and back to no problems

fragileassassin · Feb 21, 2020

lukio said:
so i had this, twice, with the 2nd formula, RO water + 50ppm epsom salt. dtw coco under led, ive been under led for 7 years.

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lights, camera, procrastination.

I was gonna reply to your post but I figured I'd better wait... in Portugal we used to say " ta manha" which basically means put it off til tomorrow...its probably why nothing gets done over there (: very pretty @lukio . anything you do special at the end to bring out the purples? cheers...

www.rollitup.org

i also nearly always found there was too much N.

Im back on the Canna Coco nutes for now and back to no problems

Ive seen pictures like that on a lot of things and can never get an answer of what that type of tip burn is actually is caused by.
The charts would say its possible excess sulfur or phosphorus. Which kinda worries me as im starting to see some tip burn already and running fairly high P because of the MKP.

rkymtnman · Feb 21, 2020

fragileassassin said:
Wow... I do not take that lightly at all. I don't feel that's the case and I have plenty of experience left to gain, but thanks!
I owe a lot of it to you though. You were around arguing with my stubborn ass when I got started and got me in the right direction for sure.

Thank you! I still have plenty to learn from you guys though.

Recovering is going well but a little slower than I had hoped, thanks.
What kind of issues did you have?
Im playing with it in flower now. My flower feeding is the last thing I feel I really need to dial in. I love mc for veg and will probably keep using it for at least veg, but the next crop or two will determine if I keep using it for flower.

Im playing around with this for this grow. So far I have some minor tip burn on some of the new growth, but nothing huge.
My tap water runs 60-70 ppm and from the water reports I can find should be 35-40ppm of calcium and around 10 of mag. Ive been meaning to do a carbonate test. Ive been considering switching to masterblend for flower just because ive been able to find more info on people using it and dialing it in. The flowers ive completed so far I was just kinda winging it with MC and their BE and got decent enough results. Some of the plants didnt looks great though. Ive gotten a good grasp on individual element stuff but have struggle to find consistent information about desired N/P/K/Ca/Mg/S ppm throughout the flower cycle.

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fragile, after all your additives, you are basically Lucas formula. 100-100-200-60.

fragileassassin · Feb 21, 2020

rkymtnman said:
fragile, after all your additives, you are basically Lucas formula. 100-100-200-60.

I dont know much about that other than a lot of ppl use it... so I should be at least close.
ok so quick search on that is most of them are running around 100ppm calcium and with my tap I have probably nearly 150ppm.
Finding mixed info on calcium excess causing the tip burn, but it looks like I might not need the calimagic with the v2.

rkymtnman · Feb 21, 2020

fragileassassin said:
I dont know much about that other than a lot of ppl use it... so I should be at least close.
ok so quick search on that is most of them are running around 100ppm calcium and with my tap I have probably nearly 150ppm.
Finding mixed info on calcium excess causing the tip burn, but it looks like I might not need the calimagic with the v2.

should be 2:1 ca to mg. so you need 120 ish for your 60.

have i ever shown you this? interesting read.

CannaStats - Nutrient Profiles for Cannabis

This page provides a common language spoken by all fertilizer solutions and a way to mix them for growing cannabis hydroponically. Sometimes referred to as the Lucas formula, this page explains the true origin of this well known proven formula and the project that led to its discovery. Emphasis...

www.angelfire.com

rkymtnman · Feb 21, 2020

i've used Lucas for years via GH trio, floraduo, maxibloom, floranova bloom. all are teh 1-1-2 ratio.

this last grow i tried Fatmans' nute profile of 3-1-4 for bloom. they seeemed to like it alot. is it better than Lucas? not sure yet.
but i hit the target of 3-1-4 with 10g maxigro and 2 g of maxibloom.

lukio · Feb 21, 2020

fragileassassin said:
Ive seen pictures like that on a lot of things and can never get an answer of what that type of tip burn is actually is caused by.
The charts would say its possible excess sulfur or phosphorus. Which kinda worries me as im starting to see some tip burn already and running fairly high P because of the MKP.

hmmm yeah man, i never got to the bottom of it. it seemed to start mid flower...who knows! i usually feed around the 500ppm mark, 1ec

fragileassassin · Feb 21, 2020

rkymtnman said:
should be 2:1 ca to mg. so you need 120 ish for your 60.

have i ever shown you this? interesting read.

CannaStats - Nutrient Profiles for Cannabis

This page provides a common language spoken by all fertilizer solutions and a way to mix them for growing cannabis hydroponically. Sometimes referred to as the Lucas formula, this page explains the true origin of this well known proven formula and the project that led to its discovery. Emphasis...

www.angelfire.com

Yeah, taking out the calimagic should put me in the 50-60mg/110-120ca range.
And ive seen that and read some of charts but not the rest. Ill read it all now.

rkymtnman · Feb 21, 2020

lukio said:
hmmm yeah man, i never got to the bottom of it. it seemed to start mid flower...who knows! i usually feed around the 500ppm mark, 1ec

not enough green LEDs, mate!!!

lukio · Feb 21, 2020

rkymtnman said:
not enough green LEDs, mate!!!

pahahah ffs! youre right, what i need is some of those crappy green epis, yup! sign me up to the monster budz fam :hug:

fragileassassin · Feb 21, 2020

oh! im also adding another 480w to the 1280 I currently have. Drivers will be here on tuesday. With the spread I have, this should be the last bit of light I need to maximize my potential in that space.
Looking at changing up the format to get a better overall spread too. going to drive my corner a little bit higher than the rest.

fragileassassin · Feb 21, 2020

Next step in training.
-Adjusted the ties to get them a bit flatter
-supercropped lower branches the other direction and directed the tops to where I want them.
End up with a nice flat plant that will now grow into 10 main stems.

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