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willieboy

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John Ivison: Marijuana report to urge Liberals to strike at the black market



John Ivison | December 1, 2016 4:10 PM ET
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Rich Pedroncelli / AP


The key recommendation of the panel charged with outlining the framework for Canada’s legal marijuana regime is that the system should be geared toward getting rid of the $7-billion-a year black market.

Sources familiar with the report, which is expected to be made public Dec. 21, say all the other recommendations flow from that guiding principle.

Provinces will set the legal age for marijuana consumption, but the report is likely to recommend the limit be the age of majority — 18 in six provinces; 19 in B.C., Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and the three territories — which would keep many young people from turning to criminal sources. (The Canadian Medical Association has recommended an age limit of 21, with limits on the quantity and potency.)

To eat into the black market, the report is expected to recommend prices should be lower than the street price of $8-$10 a gram. This would reduce the amount of tax revenues available to federal and provincial governments but would be justified by the principle of guaranteeing a safe and controlled supply.



To ensure consumers receive a Health Canada-approved product, the report is expected to recommend the existing mail-order distribution network be maintained.

Legislation is expected in April 2017, giving the provinces little time to set up their own distribution systems. There have been suggestions by some producers that legal marijuana could be sold as early as January 2018.

At the moment, medical marijuana is sold by mail order with a prescription, which allows producers to track the product from seed to customer.

Under an expanded legal system, suppliers could collect payment online and ship to an address provided by the buyer. Canada Post already makes wine deliveries where age has to be verified by the recipient. The legal marijuana industry argues that a similar age and identity verification system would work for pot.

Allowing Canada Post a monopoly in mail distribution would also boost business for a Crown corporation that saw mail volumes fall by 14 per cent in the most recent quarter.

On production, it is expected the report will recommend that the 36 existing licensed producers continue to produce Health Canada-approved pot, while new producers will be encouraged to apply for production permits.

Bill Blair, the Liberal MP managing the pot file, has made clear that production and distribution will be a matter for discussion with the provinces. That is likely to mean changes over time. On distribution, provincial governments like Ontario have talked about selling marijuana through its 600 provincially owned liquor stores.

That move would not be without controversy. Experts have warned about the dangers of promoting pot in the same way that liquor control boards market booze, and about selling the two products on the same shelves.

In provinces like B.C., which already has a large number of pot shops, the expectation is that the provincial government will require dispensaries to buy marijuana from a licensed producer.

The final report is already in circulation but public release has been delayed by the need to translate it into French. Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould said in the House of Commons Thursday she expects to receive it in “mid-December.”

The Liberals promised to legalize pot in their election platform as a public safety issue, to keep marijuana out of the hands of children and to cut off profits to organized crime.

The Liberals promised to legalize pot in their election platform as a public safety issue, to keep marijuana out of the hands of children and to cut off profits to organized crime

During question period Thursday, Wilson-Raybould was pressed by the Conservatives about a spike in the trading of pot company stocks that they allege may have been caused by a leak of the report. On Nov. 16, the TSX halted trading on six medical marijuana companies. Alex Nuttall, an Ontario Conservative MP, asked the minister if she was investigating a possible leak.

Wilson-Raybould said she has not yet seen the final report and that any leak would be investigated by the Ontario Securities Commission.

The Liberals promised to legalize pot in their election platform as a public safety issue, to keep marijuana out of the hands of children and to cut off profits to organized crime.

There was an expectation it would generate tax revenues for strapped governments, but a report by the Parliamentary Budget Officer last month suggested tax revenues would be just $618 million at the outset, with around 60 per cent going to the provinces. That number is forecast to grow as the legal cannabis market matures and production costs decline.

“A potential customer shift to a more value-added cannabis product could create a larger tax base,” the report concluded.

Producers have pushed to be allowed to brand and advertise their products, taking the position that strong brands matter in a new market.
 

WHATFG

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Allowing Canada Post a monopoly in mail distribution would also boost business for a Crown corporation that saw mail volumes fall by 14 per cent in the most recent quarter.
Will it go 'round in circles?...so first we'll pay tax then we'll pay for shipping through a crown Corp.....hahahahahaha.....not a cash cow by any means..

The key recommendation of the panel charged with outlining the framework for Canada’s legal marijuana regime is that the system should be geared toward getting rid of the $7-billion-a year black market.

Sources familiar with the report, which is expected to be made public Dec. 21, say all the other recommendations flow from that guiding principle.
Hmmmm.....who is going to have the best for the least? That's who's going win this battle...
 

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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Will it go 'round in circles?...so first we'll pay tax then we'll pay for shipping through a crown Corp.....hahahahahaha.....not a cash cow by any means..


Hmmmm.....who is going to have the best for the least? That's who's going win this battle...
Is the 6 plant home grower "Black Market"? Where will the Gourmet toker get his stash? Leaf thc. limits but concentrates avail?Liscensed producer, many or few? What will prevent product going the "American Way" a scrubbed, quick dried. artificial flavor and smell, race to the bottom?
 
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CalyxCrusher

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Fucking lazy fucks. So LP dont have to re apply for rec, STILL cant buy in person, only purchase WITHOUT seeing product, AND a cap on THC.

Cant wait to see the BM quake because of these revolutionary ideas........... Good thing we hired ppl in the know with Cannabis to compile such poignant and deeply thought out ideas...........

Fucking insulting the lack of effort for this
 

doingdishes

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if you're allowed 6 plants and you grow trees, you harvest 3-4 LB a plant (does it show how little I know about growing??) you could get 18-24 LB per harvest or you grow regular and get 1/4 - 1/2 LB per plant. on the top end you'd get 6 LB's...that's a huge difference so I am curious how they'd regulate that part...haha
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Why is a killer drug like alcohol available on every corner, but we are forced to by plant material sight-unseen by mail order?
Also, they said dispensaries will continue to operate - with LP weed. So is it going to be mail order or storefront or both?

prices should be lower than the street price of $8-$10 a gram. Considering that's double the street price in BC, they are going to have to try harder.
 

CalyxCrusher

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if you're allowed 6 plants and you grow trees, you harvest 3-4 LB a plant (does it show how little I know about growing??) you could get 18-24 LB per harvest or you grow regular and get 1/4 - 1/2 LB per plant. on the top end you'd get 6 LB's...that's a huge difference so I am curious how they'd regulate that part...haha
Theyd simply limit storage amounts and fix that loophole
 

CalyxCrusher

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As an aside, Im not trying to be a pessimist about it. I was discussing the ACMPR in Aug with a friend of my wifes and said that the grams per plant expectations indoors from HC being 30g a plant were fucked as were the gpd being referred to as avg at 1-3. She replied with " well none of that will matter come legalization". Turns out her mother has worked at HC on not only the ACMPR, but the MMPR, and MMAR.

The reason they keep saying this program is temporary is because they are very much considering just lumping rec and medical together. And the fact that gpd wont matter tells me that set plant limits are a possibility. OR with the info from the national post article saying theyre shooting for below $8-$10 for Rec, they may just deem it as reasonable enough access and go that route, bye bye growing
 

doingdishes

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As an aside, Im not trying to be a pessimist about it. I was discussing the ACMPR in Aug with a friend of my wifes and said that the grams per plant expectations indoors from HC being 30g a plant were fucked as were the gpd being referred to as avg at 1-3. She replied with " well none of that will matter come legalization". Turns out her mother has worked at HC on not only the ACMPR, but the MMPR, and MMAR.

The reason they keep saying this program is temporary is because they are very much considering just lumping rec and medical together. And the fact that gpd wont matter tells me that set plant limits are a possibility. OR with the info from the national post article saying theyre shooting for below $8-$10 for Rec, they may just deem it as reasonable enough access and go that route, bye bye growing
we would fight them again on the right to grow...and again
 

gb123

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they are way to greedy to get rid of the black market,,,,its what makes this bs what it is,
if they got rid of the bm by growing MUCH,,,,they would in turn take billions from other business. NAMELY OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM!!
this is just a muse to make it look like what they are doing is good when it is they who made it so to begin with!!!!!
They will force people to jail with their decisions.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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below $8-$10 for Rec, they may just deem it as reasonable enough access and go that route, bye bye growing
That would backfire and actually increase the black market. I do think they are trying to get mmj patients all at a smaller plant count, maybe more than rec, but not based on need.They will claim that once removed from the cdsa, there is no provision for a medical exemption. I'm holding on to my pinks allowing me 49 plants and I will continue to grow what I need regardless of what happens.
These are only recommendations and I'm sure things will be tweaked repeatedly over the next few years. Ending alcohol prohibition wasn't without it's glitches. I can't see a ban on growing being part of the final draft when home production of alcohol and tobacco is legal.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I just got this email...


This is to inform you that petition e-115, which you signed on the e-petitions website of the House of Commons, was presented in the House of Commons on December 2, 2016. You will be notified once a government response has been tabled.


Please do not reply to this email, as this address is not monitored. If you have questions about the e-petitions process or encounter technical problems, please visit the e-petitions website at https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/ or contact the Clerk of Petitions at [email protected].

e-115 (Cannabis)

42nd Parliament
Initiated by Chris Stewart from Fort Augustus, Prince Edward Island, on February 17, 2016, at 12:48 p.m. (EDT)
Presented to the House of Commons


Petition details
Petition to the Minister of Justice
Whereas:
  • The personal production of beer, wine and other fermented alcohol is a legal activity for adults in Canada;
  • The personal indoor and outdoor cultivation of a variety of plants is legal in Canada; and
  • Adults who choose to consume cannabis should be granted similar production rights as those who choose alcohol.
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to allow for the personal production of cannabis as part of upcoming cannabis legalization legislation.

Sponsor

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith
Beaches—East York
Liberal
Ontario

Government response

Petition presented to the House of Commons on December 2, 2016


History

Open for signature : February 17, 2016, at 12:48 p.m. (EDT)
Closed for signature : June 16, 2016, at 12:48 p.m. (EDT)

Signatures (1623)

Province / Territory
Signatures
Alberta
202
British Columbia
519
Manitoba
56
New Brunswick
26
Newfoundland and Labrador
22
Nova Scotia
55
Nunavut
1
Ontario
558
Prince Edward Island
21
Quebec
101
Saskatchewan
56
Yukon
4
Other Countries
2
 

The Hippy

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They only think they can win.....not gonna happen...cause they fucked it up back in the 60 & 70's....now were in charge.
 

CannaReview

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Anything close to $5-7/gram is getting close to not happening for retailers and LP's, just not enough people in Canada. Beers cost $3-8 per bottle at pubs/nighclubs here you got one $5 joint shared between say 3 people. Its going to be an interesting black market. Instead of 1000's of large illegal grows I'll be ten of thousands of tiny grows selling boutique weed at $4/g. Still $1800 per lb and if its legal to grow 6 plants then there is no legal risk.
 

The Hippy

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Anything close to $5-7/gram is getting close to not happening for retailers and LP's, just not enough people in Canada. Beers cost $3-8 per bottle at pubs/nighclubs here you got one $5 joint shared between say 3 people. Its going to be an interesting black market. Instead of 1000's of large illegal grows I'll be ten of thousands of tiny grows selling boutique weed at $4/g. Still $1800 per lb and if its legal to grow 6 plants then there is no legal risk.
Yup...yup ...yup...the first person to get it right...bravo.
 

TheRealDman

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Anything close to $5-7/gram is getting close to not happening for retailers and LP's, just not enough people in Canada. Beers cost $3-8 per bottle at pubs/nighclubs here you got one $5 joint shared between say 3 people. Its going to be an interesting black market. Instead of 1000's of large illegal grows I'll be ten of thousands of tiny grows selling boutique weed at $4/g. Still $1800 per lb and if its legal to grow 6 plants then there is no legal risk.
Winna, winna...chicken dinna! :D
 

GrowRock

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Anything close to $5-7/gram is getting close to not happening for retailers and LP's, just not enough people in Canada. Beers cost $3-8 per bottle at pubs/nighclubs here you got one $5 joint shared between say 3 people. Its going to be an interesting black market. Instead of 1000's of large illegal grows I'll be ten of thousands of tiny grows selling boutique weed at $4/g. Still $1800 per lb and if its legal to grow 6 plants then there is no legal risk.
Keep calm and grow on lol(:
 
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