Frustrated with droopy plants.

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Mistik076

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Quick info..
400w hps with cfls to supplement (hps is a foot or so away)
3/4 ffof 1/4 perlite
temps vary from high 50's at night to low 80's during the day. (working on bringing those night temps up)
3 gallon smart pots
no nutes
moved to 12/12 a week ago
ph seems to be between 6.8 and 7 with store bought distilled
I'm growing 4, 1 auto, an LSD, Wappa and a Nebula. (Wap and Neb are pictured here)
They're about 6 weeks old from germ.
Water schedule is as needed. Usually 2-3 days between watering.

My problem is I can't get rid of those droopy leaves. I'm stumped.
They'll droop when the soil is saturated and they'll droop when the soil is bone dry and every step of the way in between. They're still growing just fine, faster than the other 2 who look much healthier than these two here.
Any ideas? I'm willing to try just about anything at this point.

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lovemug

lovemug

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Those plants look really thirsty. Notice how the leaf drop is almost at the base of the leaf? When cannabis begins to really lose moisture it will start to wilt from that point. When your plants are over watered they will look bogged down like the tips of your leaves are to heavy to hold them selves up, but the leaves will still be in a more predominantly outward position. Your stems will look fuller if it makes since to you.
 
lovemug

lovemug

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Have they been growing in those same pots since they were seedlings? As far as the temp swings go they shouldn't cause drooping like this. They might cause a little run on in your stems though.
 
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303

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Mistik076 said:
Quick info..
400w hps with cfls to supplement (hps is a foot or so away)
3/4 ffof 1/4 perlite
temps vary from high 50's at night to low 80's during the day. (working on bringing those night temps up)
3 gallon smart pots
no nutes
moved to 12/12 a week ago
ph seems to be between 6.8 and 7 with store bought distilled
I'm growing 4, 1 auto, an LSD, Wappa and a Nebula. (Wap and Neb are pictured here)
They're about 6 weeks old from germ.
Water schedule is as needed. Usually 2-3 days between watering.

My problem is I can't get rid of those droopy leaves. I'm stumped.
They'll droop when the soil is saturated and they'll droop when the soil is bone dry and every step of the way in between. They're still growing just fine, faster than the other 2 who look much healthier than these two here.
Any ideas? I'm willing to try just about anything at this point.

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What's your reason for distilled water and no nutrients? Try keeping it simple, water with your tap water and buy yourself some nutrients. I agree with the above the soil looks dry.
 
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laced23z

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water with ur tap water really who would give advise like that use RO water my man and get some nutes so they have food it looks like u have a huge temp diff from day to nite u usually only want a 10 degree diff between the two get ur ph down
 
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watchhowIdoit

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I have a feeling he just waters a bit directly around the plant instead of watering the entire contents of the container well until runoff. Bet those plants have small, weak root systems......
 
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laced23z

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watchhowIdoit said:
I have a feeling he just waters a bit directly around the plant instead of watering the entire contents of the container well until runoff. Bet those plants have small, weak root systems......
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if this is ur case u need to water the whole pot till it runs out the bottom and then some helps leach salt build up out also
 
MrGhettoGrower

MrGhettoGrower

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Yo dog 1 week into flowering 5 weeks in veg?
I would give'em a dose of nutes. This is probaly
why you vegged for 5 weeks I water the ffof once
or twice them give'em a 3/4 dose of Big Grow but
I'm not using Tiger Bloom no more Im using
ffof with Advance Nutes senis bloom~

I only veg about 3 weeks 1.5 flowering~
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Mistik076

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lovemug said:
Those plants look really thirsty. Notice how the leaf drop is almost at the base of the leaf? When cannabis begins to really lose moisture it will start to wilt from that point. When your plants are over watered they will look bogged down like the tips of your leaves are to heavy to hold them selves up, but the leaves will still be in a more predominantly outward position. Your stems will look fuller if it makes since to you.
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I agree 100% that they look under watered. Friday they were given 3 gallons of water and put in a rubber maid to soak up any run off. I checked all weekend long paying close attention to the weight of the pots and using a moisture meter and until this morning they didn't need water. There's 2 other plants with these guys that show absolutely no signs of being under watered and other than these being different strains, everything else is equal. I'm going to water them here in just a few minutes. I'll put em in a rubber maid, water, wait a bit until that soaks up and water again to make sure they're soaked.
 
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Mistik076

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lovemug said:
Have they been growing in those same pots since they were seedlings? As far as the temp swings go they shouldn't cause drooping like this. They might cause a little run on in your stems though.
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Nope, they started off in jiffy tubes and then to small pots on to the 3 gallon smart pots here. They've been in the 3 gallon for a few weeks now at least. I have it written down but it's not near me.
 
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Mistik076

Member
303 said:
What's your reason for distilled water and no nutrients? Try keeping it simple, water with your tap water and buy yourself some nutrients. I agree with the above the soil looks dry.
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The tap water runs about 8.0 on my ph meters so I wanted to give distilled a shot. I'm going to go back to tap but I'll lower the ph to about 6.5-7.0 before I use it. I've got some big bloom and I'll start using it here pretty soon. When they were seedlings the ffof soil alone was showing signs of giving nute burn so I didn't want to add to the damage the soil might have already caused. I've read that ffof soil was good to go for nutes for a month or so. And yep, it's time to start adding em now.
 
*BUDS

*BUDS

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No its overwatering(the droop). You dont water every 2-3 days smack bang on schedule or when top of the pot looks dry, you water when the pot is very light to lift compared to just watered.Raise the light a few inches and start nutes when they show more vigour.
 
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Mistik076

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*BUDS said:
No its overwatering(the droop). You dont water every 2-3 days smack bang on schedule or when top of the pot looks dry, you water when the pot is very light to lift compared to just watered.Raise the light a few inches and start nutes when they show more vigour.
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I only water when the moisture meter says the soil is dry and the plants are light to lift. It just so turns out that the last couple of weeks that's been every 2 to 3 days. Here's the thing.. If they were over watered you would expect to see signs of improvement as the soil dried out. That's simple enough. If they were under watered you would expect them to perk back up when they were given water. Easy enough too. There's no perking up here. I water and they look the same. I let the soil dry out and they look the same.
 
*BUDS

*BUDS

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Mistik076 said:
The tap water runs about 8.0 on my ph meters so I wanted to give distilled a shot. I'm going to go back to tap but I'll lower the ph to about 6.5-7.0 before I use it. I've got some big bloom and I'll start using it here pretty soon. When they were seedlings the ffof soil alone was showing signs of giving nute burn so I didn't want to add to the damage the soil might have already caused. I've read that ffof soil was good to go for nutes for a month or so.
And yep, it's time to start adding em now
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No its not the plants have issues and are unhealthy .Lets have a look at ph then ,get it to 6.5 not 7.Do you have a digital meter with adjusters?
 
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Mistik076

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*BUDS said:
No its not the plants have issues and are unhealthy .Lets have a look at ph then ,get it to 6.5 not 7.Do you have a digital meter with adjusters?
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I've got a cheap digital one that has no adjusters. I've got a fish tank ph test kit that requires drops and another kind that I can swirl in the water to match the color to the ph scale chart. I've got some 6.5 adjusted water ready to go right now.
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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do not pay no attention to this nonsense , those plant are obviously NOT lackin water. like mr ghetto said , they are just hungry ..... the pic shows that plain an simple.

you sound as if you know what your doin when it comes to watering so leave it that way.

i get sit an say the leaves are gonna for sure raise when you feed but i can tell you they need N , an im sure a balanced dose of food.

over all they are pretty healthy. (dont worry about ph , you cant change that ... that soil will hold its own ph no matter what you feed with)






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wyteboi

wyteboi

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*BUDS said:
No its not the plants have issues and are unhealthy .Lets have a look at ph then ,get it to 6.5 not 7.Do you have a digital meter with adjusters?
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Are you serious ?! you think a plant is gonna notice the difference in a .5 ph swing ?

them plants are not unhealthy at all :dunce:

you can not get an accurate readin of the ph in soil without a lab ..... an even if you could , you cannot change the ph of the soil by ph'ing the water.

this ph shit in soil is getting way outta hand on these forums.





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wyteboi

wyteboi

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trust me mistik , there is no food left in the soil. the big bloom is just a "sweetiner" for the soil microbes. use it all the way through your cycle at a low dose.
give them a regular diet from here on out , they need the food now.



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laserbrn

laserbrn

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It looks like they could use a little food. I have a couple of plants every go around with a bit of droop like that. I wouldn't worry about it too much if they are staying green and continuing to grow. Sometime the leaves are big and droopy, I've even had my biggest producers be the droopy ones. As a matter of fact, that seems to be what I've got going right now.

Have you checked on them right before lights out? Usually about an hour before lights out they'll be standing up perked up soaking up light, but right after lights on they may take an hour or two to shake off the droop.
 
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