Fuck People Who Don't Tip!

I think the only reason this thread is still going is because people seem to be arguing two completely different points.

I think some of us thought that the OP was saying that your servers deserve to be tipped no matter what. And so we wanted to argue that no, being a server does not entitle you to a tip.

But the OP has already clarified that he is not talking about that. He, as a server, is bitching about when he gives GREAT service, and gets no tip in return.

Can't we ALL agree that that's fucked up? And can't we all agree that when your service is poor, your tip can/should reflect that?

Wikidbchofthewst said:

I think the only reason this thread is still going is because people seem to be arguing two completely different points.

I think some of us thought that the OP was saying that your servers deserve to be tipped no matter what. And so we wanted to argue that no, being a server does not entitle you to a tip.

But the OP has already clarified that he is not talking about that. He, as a server, is bitching about when he gives GREAT service, and gets no tip in return.

Can't we ALL agree that that's fucked up? And can't we all agree that when your service is poor, your tip can/should reflect that?

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Yeah that's the thing. Then OP mentioned that he rubs his balls on people's food [among other fucked up stuff]. I ignored OP many pages back, [mostly because anyone who rubs their balls on my food isn't someone I want to hear talk] so I missed out on that, and now the argument seems to be over how shitty service does not equal tip, and some people are saying that any service does not deserve a tip, [which I'll go out to say is fucked up.] I'd say wikid, that there are more like ten sides to this argument, rather than 2.

Logic was left out of many posts in this thread, while biased emotions/ideas with no basis on fact are used as the reference behind many posts.

whiterhyno420 said:

lol well were a hat just like the kid in mcdonals so u dont worry bout tips

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Did you even read my entire post? I don’t work for tips anymore; that was only during college. Everyone here keeps saying find a better job. When I was in college I delivered pizzas and made 27,000 a year after taxes from tips. That’s not a lot of money but where else are you going to make that right out of high school with no experience, certainly not at McDonalds. Servers and delivery drivers make good money, the only thing we are bitching about here is when we busted our asses for people like you and didn’t get a dime.

I’m done with this topic, tired of trying to explain how it works to ignorant 15 year olds. Your ignorance is exactly why you’re cheap and anyone is lucky to get $1 out of you even with great service.

I believe good service should be well rewarded, especially when it is not expected.

I've routinely go 50% when I don't really have it but could tell my server needed it more than I.

Remember there are many ways to pay people instead of with the all mighty dollar.

Do you remember the golden rule?

I find it quite odd how many people do not.

Wikidbchofthewst said:

I think the only reason this thread is still going is because people seem to be arguing two completely different points.

I think some of us thought that the OP was saying that your servers deserve to be tipped no matter what. And so we wanted to argue that no, being a server does not entitle you to a tip.

But the OP has already clarified that he is not talking about that. He, as a server, is bitching about when he gives GREAT service, and gets no tip in return.

Can't we ALL agree that that's fucked up? And can't we all agree that when your service is poor, your tip can/should reflect that?

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Sorry Wikid, he lost all credence when he stated that people who dont tip get there food messed about with and used the threat of such behaviour against all potential non-tippers. Being English I have a totally different take on this as people over here dont believe in tipping the same as you American's. Waiting staff over here get nearly £6 per hour minimum wage and tips are on top. The guy is a moron in my eyes. Tip or I scratch your car????????? There are people who genuinely dont have enough money to tip as well, to which he retorts, if they can afford to eat ou then they can afford to tip-flawed argument. I used to have an old couple come to my restaurant for Xmas dinner every year and they were very poor pensioners, the cost per head for xmas dinner was £52 per head and the way they afforded it was to put a pound each out of their pensions in a jar every week for a year, could they afford to leave a tip? Of course they couldnt, did my staff care? Of course they didnt...Here nedeth the Woo rant...

If you really fuck with people food for not tipping, than you don't deserve a single fucking tip ever again, and I hope you fucking rot in hell!

Woomeister said:

Sorry Wikid, he lost all credence when he stated that people who dont tip get there food messed about with and used the threat of such behaviour against all potential non-tippers. Being English I have a totally different take on this as people over here dont believe in tipping the same as you American's. Waiting staff over here get nearly £6 per hour minimum wage and tips are on top. The guy is a moron in my eyes. Tip or I scratch your car????????? There are people who genuinely dont have enough money to tip as well, to which he retorts, if they can afford to eat ou then they can afford to tip-flawed argument. I used to have an old couple come to my restaurant for Xmas dinner every year and they were very poor pensioners, the cost per head for xmas dinner was £52 per head and the way they afforded it was to put a pound each out of their pensions in a jar every week for a year, could they afford to leave a tip? Of course they couldnt, did my staff care? Of course they didnt...Here nedeth the Woo rant...

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hom36rown said:

If you really fuck with people food for not tipping, than you don't deserve a single fucking tip ever again, and I hope you fucking rot in hell!

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Hell yeah.

I have worked for tips, and around those who work for tips and have noticed a few things:

If you are pleasant, and competent at your job you will be tipped fairly.
Sure there will be those who don't tip, but there will be others who tip well over 20%

Another thing I have noticed is that some tipped employees belive they deserve a tip just for gracing us with their presence.
They forget that the whole purpose of their position is to serve the customers who pay the wages for everyone employed at the establishment.

If you actually do your job well - you will make out fine in the long run. If you are not making out well, then maybe you have a much higher opinion of the quality of your service than the customers do.

blackmetal19 said:

Did you even read my entire post? I don’t work for tips anymore; that was only during college. Everyone here keeps saying find a better job. When I was in college I delivered pizzas and made 27,000 a year after taxes from tips. That’s not a lot of money but where else are you going to make that right out of high school with no experience, certainly not at McDonalds. Servers and delivery drivers make good money, the only thing we are bitching about here is when we busted our asses for people like you and didn’t get a dime.

I’m done with this topic, tired of trying to explain how it works to ignorant 15 year olds. Your ignorance is exactly why you’re cheap and anyone is lucky to get $1 out of you even with great service.

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that wuz in general u ass

Biggravy22 said:

I remember my mother gave a woman a .98 cent tip once. She was a horrible waitress though. If you suck...you aren't getting shit. If you're good and attentive you'll be rewarded. Gratuity isn't something you're entitled to. You have to earn that shit. That's what it's called gratuity.

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True, but it also depends on the person tipping. Some people are total assholes to their waiters no matter how good they are or how nice they are, and then brand them as a waiter that sucks, and dont tip. Those are some of the worst fuckin people.

Obviously your mother was the exact opposite of that, very patient and nice even with a shtty waitress. If only there were more good people in the world.

CSI Stickyicky said:

A lot of people make their living on tips, and when people don't tip, its a serious "Fuck You" ..... And it may come back to you!

Do you think we don't remember you?

Anyone who earns tips for a living feel free to post what you do to non tippers.
Anyone who doesn't tip: take notice!

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i got a tip for you.. dont play with matches..... hahahaha ... i never tip ... hahahahahaha

I think what the OP meant by "fuck people who don't tip", is
fuck people who purposely go out all the time to restaurants and
NEVER tip.

I would say fuck 'em too.
Let me say again, I'm not a waitress, and never have been,
but I understand that waitresses live off of tips.

My best friends mom was a waitress at Olive Garden, and she always
used her tips to give my friend lunch money everyday.

So to the people that never tip, just stop going out to restaurants that have
waiters. Its pretty rude of someone to have a waiter busting their ass, using their
time waiting on you, and you give them a big "fuck you" when you don't leave a tip.

If I was a waiter busting my ass, and you're one of those difficult customers,
and you leave me without a tip when I gave you great service, I'd return
that big "fuck you" next time you came to dine at the establishment I worked at.
I wouldn't fuck with your food because thats a big no, no.

But I'd definitely be sure to make sure you waited ten minutes with an empty cup before refilling it.

Wikidbchofthewst said:

I think the only reason this thread is still going is because people seem to be arguing two completely different points.

I think some of us thought that the OP was saying that your servers deserve to be tipped no matter what. And so we wanted to argue that no, being a server does not entitle you to a tip.

But the OP has already clarified that he is not talking about that. He, as a server, is bitching about when he gives GREAT service, and gets no tip in return.

Can't we ALL agree that that's fucked up? And can't we all agree that when your service is poor, your tip can/should reflect that?

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Exactly! At least some people get it.

blackmetal19 said:

Servers and delivery drivers make good money, the only thing we are bitching about here is when we busted our asses for people like you and didn’t get a dime.

I’m done with this topic, tired of trying to explain how it works to ignorant 15 year olds. Your ignorance is exactly why you’re cheap and anyone is lucky to get $1 out of you even with great service.

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Yea, i don't they will get it until they grow up a little. Yet, some people never do.

Woomeister said:

Sorry Wikid, he lost all credence when he stated that people who dont tip get there food messed about with and used the threat of such behaviour against all potential non-tippers. Being English I have a totally different take on this as people over here dont believe in tipping the same as you American's. Waiting staff over here get nearly £6 per hour minimum wage and tips are on top. The guy is a moron in my eyes. Tip or I scratch your car????????? There are people who genuinely dont have enough money to tip as well, to which he retorts, if they can afford to eat ou then they can afford to tip-flawed argument. I used to have an old couple come to my restaurant for Xmas dinner every year and they were very poor pensioners, the cost per head for xmas dinner was £52 per head and the way they afforded it was to put a pound each out of their pensions in a jar every week for a year, could they afford to leave a tip? Of course they couldnt, did my staff care? Of course they didnt...Here nedeth the Woo rant...

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IMO you are comparing apples to oranges.

Under the american system, if you don't tip your server, then that server has just paid out their own money for the "privilege" of serving you. I can't speak for anyone else, but I go to work to earn money, not to pay out money for the privilege of working. If american servers earned an hourly minimum wage it would be a different story altogether, but that's not how it works here.

I agree with the statement that if you can not afford to leave a tip, then you can not afford to eat in that restaurant.

I think it's great that your servers treated that old couple well. But I suspect their attitude would change if they had to pay out their own cash in order to serve that couple.

With that being said, fucking with peoples food is wrong. If you have a regular customer that doesn't tip, just give him the level of service they are paying for. Make sure your paying customers get taken care of first. If the nontipper's food happens to get cold while this happens, so be it. If they don't get timely refills because you are busy with paying customers, that's their problem. There are a lot of more subtle ways to make your point without spitting in someones food. A good manager will understand and not give you a hard time about it. Eventually that person will find a different restaurant to eat at.

IMO our system is flawed. I would personally rather pay our servers minimum wage, with tips only for exceptional service. But under the current system, you are stealing from a server by not tipping.

One thing I have not seen brought up here...How much do you tip a server at a buffett?

HowardWCampbell said:

IMO you are comparing apples to oranges.

Under the american system, if you don't tip your server, then that server has just paid out their own money for the "privilege" of serving you. I can't speak for anyone else, but I go to work to earn money, not to pay out money for the privilege of working. If american servers earned an hourly minimum wage it would be a different story altogether, but that's not how it works here.

I agree with the statement that if you can not afford to leave a tip, then you can not afford to eat in that restaurant.

I think it's great that your servers treated that old couple well. But I suspect their attitude would change if they had to pay out their own cash in order to serve that couple.

With that being said, fucking with peoples food is wrong. If you have a regular customer that doesn't tip, just give him the level of service they are paying for. Make sure your paying customers get taken care of first. If the nontipper's food happens to get cold while this happens, so be it. If they don't get timely refills because you are busy with paying customers, that's their problem. There are a lot of more subtle ways to make your point without spitting in someones food. A good manager will understand and not give you a hard time about it. Eventually that person will find a different restaurant to eat at.

IMO our system is flawed. I would personally rather pay our servers minimum wage, with tips only for exceptional service. But under the current system, you are stealing from a server by not tipping.

One thing I have not seen brought up here...How much do you tip a server at a buffett?

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1. Flawed premise, if you have enough money to purchase any item off of the menu then you CAN afford to eat in a restaurant, the waiter/ress's job is to serve you, end of story.
2. How could a waiter/ress ever have to pay 'out there own cash'? Absurd. No customers= no job, no tips= no tips+job. There choice.
3. Stealing is a crime, not leaving a tip is not a crime-fact!

Moral differences are all very well, but I speak about facts. I only tip excellent service and dont give a damn about not tipping people because its expected.

Woomeister said:

1. Flawed premise, if you have enough money to purchase any item off of the menu then you CAN afford to eat in a restaurant, the waiter/ress's job is to serve you, end of story.
2. How could a waiter/ress ever have to pay 'out there own cash'? Absurd. No customers= no job, no tips= no tips+job. There choice.
3. Stealing is a crime, not leaving a tip is not a crime-fact!

Moral differences are all very well, but I speak about facts. I only tip excellent service and dont give a damn about not tipping people because its expected.

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You can eat at the restaurant, and it's not stealing to not tip, but maybe I'm old fashioned, and I tip at the average 15-20% for 80% of service. The top 10% of service gets more than that, and the less 10% of service gets less than that, never tipping just because society says you should, but can't make you, is plain childish.

Woomeister said:

1. Flawed premise, if you have enough money to purchase any item off of the menu then you CAN afford to eat in a restaurant, the waiter/ress's job is to serve you, end of story.
2. How could a waiter/ress ever have to pay 'out there own cash'? Absurd. No customers= no job, no tips= no tips+job. There choice.
3. Stealing is a crime, not leaving a tip is not a crime-fact!

Moral differences are all very well, but I speak about facts. I only tip excellent service and dont give a damn about not tipping people because its expected.

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1. Legally speaking, you can afford to eat in that restaurant if you can pay the bill, but no tip. I am not disputing that. Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right.

2. In my personal experience, servers tipped out a fixed % of their sales to the busboy. In some places, they "tip out" to a bartender as well. I don't remember what the % was, but they pay that from their tips. So if the customer leaves no tip, the waiter is still paying the busboy that fixed % of the bill. It's a relatively small amount. But since your hourly pay is practically nonexistant, you are in effect paying for the privilege of having served that customer.

3. See #1

As far as I'm concerned, "morally" that is like stealing. I know "legally" it's not. As I said before, I think it's a flawed system. But in my experience, that's the way it works in this country (usa).

In your case, you have already stated that the servers are receiving at least minimum wage in hourly pay. Therefore, the restaurant is compensating them, relieving you of that direct responsibility. Their pay is included in the cost of your meal. If you want to leave a extra tip, great. If not, you have already paid them.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I don't think I will change your mind. I can almost guarantee you won't change mine.

The Real Peter Parker said:

You can eat at the restaurant, and it's not stealing to not tip, but maybe I'm old fashioned, and I tip at the average 15-20% for 80% of service. The top 10% of service gets more than that, and the less 10% of service gets less than that, never tipping just because society says you should, but can't make you, is plain childish.

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Well said. I would consider that a reasonable attitude towards tipping.

whiterhyno420 said:

that wuz in general u ass

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Im the ass? Grow the fuck up and learn some respect you little shit!