Gas Cake regular seeds are 1/2 the price at Irvine Seed Company ($120 + tax/10)) as they are at The Jungle Boys ($250/10) -- wtf?

Apostatize · Apr 1, 2022

Looks like both Irvine Seed Company and The Jungle Boys use the same breeder for this strain: Kickflip Genetics.

Is there a difference? If not, I have a problem with The Jungle Boys. I haven't purchased yet.

Irvine also gives you a freebie. Sounds way better.

Kickflip Genetics - Gas Cake (Regular)

Irvine Seed Company LLC - We are a seed company dedicated to providing patients and breeders with the best genetics.

irvineseeds.com

Gas Cake - Jungle boys OC

Feminized 10 Seeds Per Pack Genetics: High Octane x Jungle Cake

jungleboysofficials.com

PJ Diaz · Apr 1, 2022

Why not just get them direct from the breeder for $60?

"Gas Cake" Full Pack (10+ Regular Souvenir Seeds)

Breeder: Kickflip Genetics Lineage: Vanilla Frosting F4 x Headband F4 Strain: Indica/Sativa Sex: Regular Flowering Time: 70+ days Description: Gas Cake is a fruity, cake icing and gas flavored mix that is perfectly named. Gas Cake is a blend of a classic favorite (OG Kush x Sour D) and...

kickflipseeds.com

rkymtnman · Apr 1, 2022

A1 sauce is much cheaper at walmart than safeway.

Budzbuddha · Apr 1, 2022

Markups happen

PJ Diaz · Apr 1, 2022

Not sure what the difference in genetics is about, but this looks different:

Also there's this: https://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Gas_Cake/Jungle_Boys/

Apostatize · Apr 1, 2022

rkymtnman said:
A1 sauce is much cheaper at walmart than safeway.

It's just baffling ... that's a clear example of hype. Wow, gross.

Awesome, I'll grab 10 for $60 or even $120 ($100-120 is the same price point as Dark Horse)!

Now, if I can just find a pack of Dark Horse's Grape Smash (Grape Cola x Bitch Slap) (out of stock (again)), I'll be good on seeds for at least a couple years and can discontinue another 2-3 strains that are now the least impressive in the stable. Cool.

Money just came in to buy a house -- I was planning on going vertical with shelving (extra cost), but this place has a huuuuuuge garage (like 30' x 40') ... and I can probably fit everything under the loft they'd built, just hanging lights from wood, velcro'ing up panda paper and sitting mature plants in 2 rows of two 6x4 flood trays ... and then a 4-shelf 6' x 2' veg space (so I get to do some vertical). Somewhat discrete, not even using half the garage. Already have a big carbon filter fan with a year or two left in it before needing to replace it, but I found a decent looking ozonator online.

Super exciting. Thanks! Great responses, was not expecting to save even more money. Perfect!

rkymtnman · Apr 1, 2022

Apostatize said:
It's just baffling ... that's a clear example of hype

that old saying rings true: something is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it.

man, there are so many strains by so many breeders it's hard to narrow down seed choices for sure.

Apostatize · Apr 1, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
Not sure what the difference in genetics is about, but this looks different:

Yeah, it's like The Jungle Boys just assign their own proprietary name to the parent strains. Weird, both Kickflip genetics. That's what happens when there's no regulation. Confusing for consumers.

Apostatize · Apr 1, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
Why not just get them direct from the breeder for $60?

"Gas Cake" Full Pack (10+ Regular Souvenir Seeds)

Breeder: Kickflip Genetics Lineage: Vanilla Frosting F4 x Headband F4 Strain: Indica/Sativa Sex: Regular Flowering Time: 70+ days Description: Gas Cake is a fruity, cake icing and gas flavored mix that is perfectly named. Gas Cake is a blend of a classic favorite (OG Kush x Sour D) and...

kickflipseeds.com

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I'd love your comment twice if RIU let me, I love saving money without sacrificing quality! I was right to hesitate, I've been considering buying Jungle Boys seeds for months and just couldn't bring myself to pay that much, particularly because they're not feminized.

PJ Diaz · Apr 1, 2022

Apostatize said:
Yeah, it's like The Jungle Boys just assign their own proprietary name to the parent strains. Weird, both Kickflip genetics. That's what happens when there's no regulation. Confusing for consumers.

Actually I think it's the other way around. I did some internet sleuthing, and it appears that the Jungle Boyz version came first. Not sure if the Kickflip version is a copy, or if they just happened to use the same name for different genetics. Keep in mind that the JB site you posted is a dispensary who carries many different brands. Pay attention to the dates in the SS below..

Apostatize · Apr 1, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
Actually I think it's the other way around. I did some internet sleuthing, and it appears that the Jungle Boyz version came first. Not sure if the Kickflip version is a copy, or if they just happened to use the same name for different genetics. Keep in mind that the JB site you posted is a dispensary who carries many different brands. Pay attention to the dates in the SS below..

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Hmm, I see. It seems weird that Jungle Boys refer to Kickflip Genetics. Sometimes there are collaborations. I don't know why Kickflip would be associated with both offerings if it was different genetics. Kickflip might package it as the common names and JB might use their own proprietary names. Kind of like the difference between name brand and generic drugs except here we're probably talking about identical genetics. Well, I hope.

Perhaps JB enjoyed a period of market exclusivity before Kickflip could release its product.

PJ Diaz · Apr 1, 2022

Apostatize said:
Hmm, I see. It seems weird that Jungle Boys refer to Kickflip Genetics. Sometimes there are collaborations. I don't know why Kickflip would be associated with both offerings if it was different genetics. Kickflip might package it as the common names and JB might use their own proprietary names. Kind of like the difference between name brand and generic drugs except here we're probably talking about identical genetics. Well, I hope.

Perhaps JB enjoyed a period of market exclusivity before Kickflip could release its product.

I think the Jungleboys dispensary is just selling the Kickflip seeds, which are different than the original JB Genetics offerings. It wouldn't be the first time two strains with different genetics were named the same. It happened with Wedding Cake, and it also happened with Brr Berry. I'm sure there are others.

Apostatize · Apr 1, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
I think the Jungleboys dispensary is just selling the Kickflip seeds, which are different than the original JB Genetics offerings. It wouldn't be the first time two strains with different genetics were named the same. It happened with Wedding Cake, and it also happened with Brr Berry. I'm sure there are others.

Wouldn't that be false advertising/misleading/bait and switch? It's one thing what you're describing, it's another thing for JB to sell 2 different strains under the same name while combining both in their own ad for one of those strains. That doesn't make sense to me. The other way -- joint venture/collaboration agreement whereby JB has initial market exclusivity and uses its own proprietary name for lineage -- avoids false/misleading advertising.

Otherwise, one entity could sell multiple products under the same name depending on the day of the week. Bait and switch. If that's right, the industry is insane.

PJ Diaz · Apr 1, 2022

Apostatize said:
Wouldn't that be false advertising/misleading/bait and switch? It's one thing what you're describing, it's another thing for JB to sell 2 different strains under the same name while combining both in their own ad for one of those strains. That doesn't make sense to me. The other way -- joint venture/collaboration agreement whereby JB has initial market exclusivity and uses its own proprietary name for lineage -- avoids false/misleading advertising.

Otherwise, one entity could sell multiple products under the same name depending on the day of the week. Bait and switch. If that's right, the industry is insane.

It's not bait and switch if they are telling you who the breeder is and the strain lineage (assuming that they aren't lying). There aren't patents over strain names. Take Gorilla Glue #4 as an example. In reality that was one specific cut that Josey Wales found, but you can find a million different breeders selling their own knock-off version of the seeds. The only thing that really slowed that train down was the Gorilla Glue company itself who issued many cease and desist notices, so that it had to be renamed GG4 or "Original Glue".

Apostatize · Apr 1, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
It's not bait and switch if they are telling you who the breeder is and the strain lineage (assuming that they aren't lying). There aren't patents over strain names. Take Gorilla Glue #4 as an example. In reality that was one specific cut that Josey Wales found, but you can find a million different breeders selling their own knock-off version of the seeds. The only thing that really slowed that train down was the Gorilla Glue company itself who issued many cease and desist notices, so that it had to be renamed GG4 or "Original Glue".

of course. my issue is that Jungle Boys, on the Jungle Boys' page, advertise Gas Cake -- ok, that's 1 product -- but, assuming you're correct that they're selling Kickflip's version of the strain, it's not like someone selling a knock-off; JB's selling a knockoff but advertising it as its own original by including the labeling like they did with differently-named lineage than the Kickflip version. That's what makes it different.

If it's two versions, each by a different breeder, JB shouldn't be including part of each product's labeling in the same ad/item for sale. Confusing. But that's why I'm inclined to think they're the same product. However, still learning ... trying to make informed purchases.

PJ Diaz · Apr 2, 2022

Apostatize said:
of course. my issue is that Jungle Boys, on the Jungle Boys' page, advertise Gas Cake -- ok, that's 1 product -- but, assuming you're correct that they're selling Kickflip's version of the strain, it's not like someone selling a knock-off; JB's selling a knockoff but advertising it as its own original by including the labeling like they did with differently-named lineage than the Kickflip version. That's what makes it different.

If it's two versions, each by a different breeder, JB shouldn't be including part of each product's labeling in the same ad/item for sale. Confusing. But that's why I'm inclined to think they're the same product. However, still learning ... trying to make informed purchases.

I think the problem is that the people who run dispensaries are generally not too knowledgeable. Jungle Boys has gotten so big that they can't keep track of what all of their various franchises are doing. I think this is a case of some underpaid dispensary worker who's tasked with updating their menu, not understanding the subtle nuanced differences. I think the real question for you, is why are you choosing that strain? Is it just because it sounds good, or are you trying to find a specific pheno within a certain set of genetics?

Apostatize · Apr 2, 2022

PJ Diaz said:
I think the real question for you, is why are you choosing that strain? Is it just because it sounds good, or are you trying to find a specific pheno within a certain set of genetics?

Ordered Gas Cake for $60. Thanks! I liked it because I'm looking for something extra gassy. Because JB carries it, I'm giving it a try -- lots of gassy options out there from different breeders. I'd worked through over 15 strains, mostly classics like White Widow, Bubba Kush, etc. After I get Kickflip's Gas Cake and Dark Horse's Grape Cobbler (ordered both last night), my stable will look like this:

Top tier strains:
The Undercaker (includes Zkittlez, Do-Si-Do, Bruce Banner (Strawberry Diesel pheno), and I think Strawberry Shortcake) (flavors: pbj/strawberry),
Rocky Mtn. Strawberries,
Grape Cobbler (includes Zkittlez, Bitch Slap, Grape Cola),
Gas Cake,
Gorilla Cookies.

2nd tier strains:
Taskenti,
Grape Ape,
Green Gelato,
5 Alive.

Hiphophippo · Apr 2, 2022

gas cake the finest around 24$

Apostatize · Apr 3, 2022

It also works out genetically. I have Green Gelato and discontinued Purple, but I chose not to get a Runtz.

The Vanilla Frosting in Gas Cake is supposedly a Humboldt Gelato hybrid that goes in a different direction than just crossing Gelato with Zkittlez for Runtz. Although I do have two strains that include Zkittlez, they're supposed to be all the way fruit forward flavor. Perhaps the Headband, OG Kush, Humboldt Frost OG, Humboldt Gelato Bx3, Sour Diesel collaboration in Gas Cake brings out the gas ... and not just subtle, piney/woody.

And I consider Gas Cake's relatively high incidence of panic attacks reported on askgrowers.com to be a recommendation. Probably the Headband, idk.

Nugbender · May 14, 2022

Wheres everyone sourcing their beans from?

Gas Cake regular seeds are 1/2 the price at Irvine Seed Company ($120 + tax/10)) as they are at The Jungle Boys ($250/10) -- wtf?

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