Gelato and fox farm

kornwood

kornwood

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Which fox farm nutes did you use? Real nice grow you got there.
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I use there whole soil line up and follow the newest soil schedule almost 100% as I don't use flowers kiss but I do use everything else and feed at 100% with added calmag then 3-4 days later depending on pot size I'll give water with calmag then 3-4 days later its usually every 3 days after week 4
Then after week 4 I'll mix 2 tsp sledgehammer to a gallon of water then follow that gallon up with another gallon with 1 tsp boomerang that's my flush according to the schedule and since I add lime to my soil I don't have to pH until week 5 and tiger bloom gets added so I have to adjust it to 6.7-8 and that's only the feedings i never ph the water / calmag waterings and thank you for the compliment
 
MichiganMedGrower

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kornwood said:
I use there whole soil line up and follow the newest soil schedule almost 100% as I don't use flowers kiss but I do use everything else and feed at 100% with added calmag then 3-4 days later depending on pot size I'll give water with calmag then 3-4 days later its usually every 3 days after week 4
Then after week 4 I'll mix 2 tsp sledgehammer to a gallon of water then follow that gallon up with another gallon with 1 tsp boomerang that's my flush according to the schedule and since I add lime to my soil I don't have to pH until week 5 and tiger bloom gets added so I have to adjust it to 6.7-8 and that's only the feedings i never ph the water / calmag waterings and thank you for the compliment
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Thanks for the info. With all those products why do you need cal mag?

And I was definitely underfeeding when I used the trio. And I got severe mag deficiencies. But I don't follow nute schedules.
 
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I add the calmag since I use led lights and have a low ppm water 150 ppm there's some calmag in the solubles the opensesame Beastie bloomz and cha ching but not enough after trial and error I kept using it after adding the lime to the happy frog and havnt seen a calmag issue since
 
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This was yesterday it received its week 8 feeding at 100% with 2 tsp calmag to the gallon I've learned to up the calmag during the 2 weeks your using Beastie bloom and usually I'll add a 2nd week 8 to the schedule they seem to enjoy the extra week of 1900 ppm feeding
 

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MichiganMedGrower

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kornwood said:
I add the calmag since I use led lights and have a low ppm water 150 ppm there's some calmag in the solubles the opensesame Beastie bloomz and cha ching but not enough after trial and error I kept using it after adding the lime to the happy frog and havnt seen a calmag issue since
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The lack of mag in the grow big is why I have moved away from it.

If you supplement lime and use tap water it may be the high P in the tiger bloom or other products causing the mag issue. Uptake blockage.
 
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And there is no such thing as calmag. It is two seperate minerals and are not actually related.

I would bet you don't need the extra calcium and the Epsom or lime should have enough mag.

Just a thought.
 
kornwood

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MichiganMedGrower said:
And there is no such thing as calmag. It is two seperate minerals and are not actually related.

I would bet you don't need the extra calcium and the Epsom or lime should have enough mag.

Just a thought.
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I know there 2 different elements but they come together when you buy them since there both up taken in the same range so what are you saying maybe my need for extra calmag is because of high potassium kind of like tje 3-1 ratio for lime and epsom salt so if I drop down to say 90% tiger bloom then i would need less calmag but I'm not seeing a need to change it as I don't see anything locked out I've learned to use the lime as a buffering agent more than a calcium supply and with my led they photosynthesise differently and require more of both calcium and magnisium
 
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MichiganMedGrower

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kornwood said:
I know there 2 different elements but they come together when you buy them since there both up taken in the same range so what are you saying maybe my need for extra calmag is because of high potassium kind of like tje 3-1 ratio for lime and epsom salt so if I drop down to say 90% tiger bloom then i would need less calmag but I'm not seeing a need to change it as I don't see anything locked out I've learned to use the lime as a buffering agent more than a calcium supply and with my led they photosynthesise differently and require more of both calcium and magnisium
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No. I am saying maybe tweak your bloom nute up a bit and see if you need the added calmag. It is a lot of calcium nitrate for mid to late flower.

You know your plants man. But you may get the same or better results. I only try things on 1 plant at a time. You could get better buds with a little less nitrogen at the end.

The led intensity on the plants is high. So they need more feed. But not necessarily more products.

I had the same exact problem as the led guys say but I had just doubled my 600 HPS. More intensity. More growth. More nutrients used.

Not criticizing at all. I am very impressed with your results. I was trying to see why it wouldn't work for me. And it is obviously light on soluble mag. I never see a calcium deficit.
 
kornwood

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MichiganMedGrower said:
No. I am saying maybe tweak your bloom nute up a bit and see if you need the added calmag. It is a lot of calcium nitrate for mid to late flower.

You know your plants man. But you may get the same or better results. I only try things on 1 plant at a time. You could get better buds with a little less nitrogen at the end.

The led intensity on the plants is high. So they need more feed. But not necessarily more products.

I had the same exact problem as the led guys say but I had just doubled my 600 HPS. More intensity. More growth. More nutrients used.

Not criticizing at all. I am very impressed with your results. I was trying to see why it wouldn't work for me. And it is obviously light on soluble mag. I never see a calcium deficit.
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I was seeing both cal and mag even after adding the lime to the next round of clones since running the cal-mag which is by general organics it has zero nitrogen compared to some other calmag products but since I use cha-ching I didn't want the extra nitrogen which is in some other calmag products I havnt seen a calcium spot lol or dying off underbrush since until final week before harvest so I'd hate to even try to cut the calmag out of my program
 
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This is the first plant I've grown that the flowers are soo small I'll get a good pic tomorrow this must be why people hate growing anything cookie dominate
 
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That was 2 days ago it received 2 gallons of 200 ppm tap water runoff was 600 so its on its way out tomorrow it'll get another 2 gallons tomorrow I'll also get better close ups
 

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