Germination advice.

ANC said:

There is a difference between minimum and ideal.
I'll help and give you two, one is actually a base nutrient. P and zink to build those roots and hair cells.

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https://extension.psu.edu/seed-and-seedling-biology

I've found this page which provides some very good scientific information about the requirements of seed germination and the different stages of it. Still no mention of nutrient requirements. Like @Cold$moke said, the cotyledons are the food source for seeds as they develop a root system.

I'm not going to dismiss what you've said, it makes sense that the tissue of the plant itself within the seed would absorb some of the dissolved solids in the water they absorb. I'm just not finding any research papers online that mention this. Next time I germinate some seeds I'll try some both ways and record any differences.

edit: I have been reading further into the above link, and it provides some very very good information about seeds. @Nafydad420 you should definitely check out this article.

Cold$moke said:

Try it ?

what kinda of advice do you need?

Remember im just a noob when it comes to the wool lol

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pretty much just setup for rockwool, do you soak it or anything beforehand? RR i soak everytime.

dtl420 said:

https://extension.psu.edu/seed-and-seedling-biology

I've found this page which provides some very good scientific information about the requirements of seed germination and the different stages of it. Still no mention of nutrient requirements. Like @Cold$moke said, the cotyledons are the food source for seeds as they develop a root system.

I'm not going to dismiss what you've said, it makes sense that the tissue of the plant itself within the seed would absorb some of the dissolved solids in the water they absorb. I'm just not finding any research papers online that mention this. Next time I germinate some seeds I'll try some both ways and record any differences.

edit: I have been reading further into the above link, and it provides some very very good information about seeds. @Nafydad420 you should definitely check out this article.

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i love me a good read thank you!!!

dtl420 said:

https://extension.psu.edu/seed-and-seedling-biology

I've found this page which provides some very good scientific information about the requirements of seed germination and the different stages of it. Still no mention of nutrient requirements. Like @Cold$moke said, the cotyledons are the food source for seeds as they develop a root system.

I'm not going to dismiss what you've said, it makes sense that the tissue of the plant itself within the seed would absorb some of the dissolved solids in the water they absorb. I'm just not finding any research papers online that mention this. Next time I germinate some seeds I'll try some both ways and record any differences.

edit: I have been reading further into the above link, and it provides some very very good information about seeds. @Nafydad420 you should definitely check out this article.

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Look up harvey smith
In one of his vidioes about maximizing yeild
He talks about seedling nutrients
Very informative

Like i said it can sprout with nothing .
Just like starving kids they live but......
Wouldnt they like to eat?

Ill provide a little titty for my babies

As @ANC said. P is one z another

Plus with the mix i give it has rooting stimulants as well via the kelp and humic acids.
B vitamins for any stress

Thousand ways to skin a cat to each their own with PEACE.

Just my 2

Nafydad420 said:

pretty much just setup for rockwool, do you soak it or anything beforehand? RR i soak everytime.

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Well im not a botanist

But i soaked my cubes in ph 5.5 water for a few mins.
Then i shake the water out.

I mix up a LITE 1/4 strength bloom cant stress the lite part (for the extra p and theres plenty of nitro for a baby)

I added the kelp,humic, and b vitamins
This mix would probably be fine by itself as well

Ph to 5.8 and soaked em for about 15 min
Then shake em out without sqeezing hard NO SQEEZING

Just shake them out till they arent soggy they hold the water very well so they dont need to be drippy at ALL

Then pop your seeds in and wait.
Mine poped their heads in 3 days some a day or 2 longer.

Thats it!

No heat , no dome , no problems

If anything im 16 days in and they are showing that they are under fed lol

Now for full disclosure one out of 6 had twisted leaves i dont know if its just a mutant or if it was pissed from the nutes

But ill tell you the truth even if i fuck up

Cold$moke said:

Well im not a botanist

But i soaked my cubes in ph 5.5 water for a few mins.
Then i shake the water out.

I mix up a LITE 1/4 strength bloom cant stress the lite part (for the extra p and theres plenty of nitro for a baby)

I added the kelp,humic, and b vitamins
This mix would probably be fine by itself as well

Ph to 5.8 and soaked em for about 15 min
Then shake em out without sqeezing hard NO SQEEZING

Just shake them out till they arent soggy they hold the water very well so they dont need to be drippy at ALL

Then pop your seeds in and wait.
Mine poped their heads in 3 days some a day or 2 longer.

Thats it!

No heat , no dome , no problems

If anything im 16 days in and they are showing that they are under fed lol

Now for full disclosure one out of 6 had twisted leaves i dont know if its just a mutant or if it was pissed from the nutes

But ill tell you the truth even if i fuck up

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pretty similar to RR, i like to show my Rapid rooter the flick of the wrist after i soak em lol

Cold$moke said:

Look up harvey smith
In one of his vidioes about maximizing yeild
He talks about seedling nutrients
Very informative

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Thank you for posting that. I'm not sure why I haven't seen this guy's videos being promoted more often. Very good information in terms anyone can understand.

Like I said, I won't dismiss the idea of feeding them while they germinate. I'm just skeptical based on everything I've read. But I'll try it on a few beans next time and see what happens. I like to try to be as open minded and unbiased as possible. If there's a better way to do it then that's how I want to do it.

Nafydad420 said:

pretty similar to RR, i like to show my Rapid rooter the flick of the wrist after i soak em lol

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Yep

Anthoer thing i hated about RR is the small size

I sprouted in the 4 inch blocks (not necessary as little one will work)
And i dint have to water or anything for at least a week lol (cant remember exact)

Ive had my RR dry up too fast and kill my babies

dtl420 said:

Thank you for posting that. I'm not sure why I haven't seen this guy's videos being promoted more often. Very good information in terms anyone can understand.

Like I said, I won't dismiss the idea of feeding them while they germinate. I'm just skeptical based on everything I've read. But I'll try it on a few beans next time and see what happens. I like to try to be as open minded and unbiased as possible. If there's a better way to do it then that's how I want to do it.

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Skepticism is a good thing.


I know i dont believe it till i try it.

Just like the first time i waterd a seedling with the above mentioned mix i thought i was gona fry her ..... nope.

Check out my other thread where i. Testing air root pruning for myself to see if it does what its supposed to.

Harvey smith is a cool bastard. I dont know how legit he is but i like him lol and he talks of really impressive things like farms in the netherlands that grow 3 50 foot tomatoe vines in ONE. Rockwool slab!!!

since i made this thread they have popped out of the top lol.

Cold$moke said:

Skepticism is a good thing.


I know i dont believe it till i try it.

Just like the first time i waterd a seedling with the above mentioned mix i thought i was gona fry her ..... nope.

Check out my other thread where i. Testing air root pruning for myself to see if it does what its supposed to.

Harvey smith is a cool bastard. I dont know how legit he is but i like him lol and he talks of really impressive things like farms in the netherlands that grow 3 50 foot tomatoe vines in ONE. Rockwool slab!!!

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Based on what I know about nutrient assimilation and nutrient interactions, I can say that everything he's said so far is true. I'm about half way through an hour long youtube video of him promoting RAW products. He's not going into the details, but he's mentioned several nutrient interactions and much on the uses of the nutrients. I can tell that he's trying to sell a product, but all the points he's made to back it are legit.

That's what I try to impress upon a lot of the new comers to RIU. When people post questions they get quick answers. This isn't a bad thing, but to really understand what you've done wrong and how to fix it you have to do more digging. You may find that something someone said was only half true, or not true at all. But some of the people on here genuine. Still you can't take everything on faith, sooner or later you'll have to learn it for yourself.

edit: Here's the link to the youtube video I'm referring to

His other video on maximizing yeild is better
As its more information nkt so much a sales pitch

This seed is crazy... was curled up in that rr. Then 10 hours later it's too tall for the dome.. so I rigged something. Any advice guys lol?.. or amy better ideas what to do with seedling until it's ready for it's Dwc home

Nafydad420 said:

This seed is crazy... was curled up in that rr. Then 10 hours later it's too tall for the dome.. so I rigged something. Any advice guys lol?.. or amy better ideas what to do with seedling until it's ready for it's Dwc home

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on a side note, this is the FASTEST ive ever seen a seedling want life. im stoked so i dont want to ruin it!!!

Did you go with the cfl? And how high do you have the light hung?

I have tremendous success by soaking seeds in a glass of water that has a few drops of superthrive in it. I let them soak until they sink. Then just put them in solo cups filled with promix and a sandwich bag over each cup to keep moisture up. Keep them warm also. Its fool proof.

dtl420 said:

Did you go with the cfl? And how high do you have the light hung?

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yea i went with the cfl, i check my plants every3 hours, im ocd. and LITERALLY it wasnt barely poked out the top, ( i had no lights at this point) 3 hours later it was that tall!!!! i threw the cfls about 4 inch above it. my real question is, should i keep it in that crappy little cup or do something different until its ready for dwc?

Nafydad420 said:

yea i went with the cfl, i check my plants every3 hours, im ocd. and LITERALLY it wasnt barely poked out the top, ( i had no lights at this point) 3 hours later it was that tall!!!! i threw the cfls about 4 inch above it. my real question is, should i keep it in that crappy little cup or do something different until its ready for dwc?

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also to those of you who are curious, the only prep work i did was soak the rapid rooters for 4 hours, then popped the seeds in. this is now my future way of doing it