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fitzyno1

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Hi Al,

a few days ago i was linked to your thread from another forum, and now i'm totally addicted to it. I'm at page 112 now.

You have answered all my question, and i've learned so much, 'your da man' LOL

Anyway, as far as i have read, you have had to answer quiet a few questions over and over as ppl don't bother their arses to read your thread for themselves (or maybe they hadn't the time), it 'is' pretty long, it never seems to stop. So i hope you dont think i'm one of these ppl who couldnt be bothered to read the work you've put into this thread, by asking a couple of questions before i've finnished.

Q#1. Up until p.112 you havent mentioned Mylar, i was planning to use it, and was wondering if the black and white Panda stuff you use is better? And if so, why?

Q#2. I cant get Fytocell where i live, could you tell me a couple of substitutes i could use in its place that hold O2? Other than rockwool, clay pellet and other usual medium. I can get my hands on Perlite if thats any good.

Anyway, hell of a job your doing, keep the good work up!
 

40acres

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Can't advise you on soil, sorry. I really don't know why you're mixing soil with pellets and coco, either. The usual point of using inert media i.e. pellets & coco coir is to permit frequent flooding with a nutrient solution- which you won't be doing in soil.

More curious yet if you're using the MH to flower- and why.

If you're a new grower, I would strongly disadvise trying new things. Find an op that works and copy it to the letter. If it works for someone else, it will work for you if you duplicate every aspect of the known working grow op. Don't make changes, even little ones.

Experienced growers can (and should) try small experiments running parallel with their grow ops, which already operate with established techniques.

Newbs, who don't have an established op which is reliably delivering buds, will find that experimental methods are a great way to long periods with no weed.
I think the cocofiber will give the plants easier acces to root growth. I see cocpots all the time that work, so there is no reason it wont work as a medium to mix. I have a few complete grows under my belt and am always looking for a leg up.
I also have 3 or 4 foot plants i am lst'ing to capture the light that is not used in the bottom center of the area.
I think I am going to stick with soil because it feels right to me. I know the earth. I use soil with it on purpose just like having a layer of compost on the top of a plant. Everytime you water, a little bit of nutrients will run down.
It will work, I just dont know to what point. I will keep the plants in veg for a few weeks and then to 12/12. I will update if there is any interest and it works.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Q#1. Up until p.112 you havent mentioned Mylar, i was planning to use it, and was wondering if the black and white Panda stuff you use is better? And if so, why?
Mylar is a bit too reflective and doesn't diffuse enough. Badly hung, it can focus light and create hotspots. Panda film is lightproof (240u thickness will block a 1000HPS from inches away), tough, cleanable and cheap.

Q#2. I cant get Fytocell where i live, could you tell me a couple of substitutes i could use in its place that hold O2? Other than rockwool, clay pellet and other usual medium. I can get my hands on Perlite if thats any good.
Perlite is worth a try. Pack the pot bottoms with about 50mm of RW floc to stop the perlite falling out of the drain holes.

Anyway, hell of a job your doing, keep the good work up!
'You're doing a hell of a job' used to be a compliment- before Hurricane Katrina. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I think the cocofiber will give the plants easier acces to root growth. I see cocpots all the time that work, so there is no reason it wont work as a medium to mix.
I think you're fooling yourself. There's reasons to use different sorts of media- your purposes are not helped by clay pellets and coir in your soil.

I have a few complete grows under my belt and am always looking for a leg up.
Gardeners don't normally want any valuable pot space taken up by rocks- and that's what clay pellets are. If you want a leg up, work out the right balance of sand, soil conditioners like fine woodchips, composted manures, etc. There's several soil gurus on this (and other) pot forums. Ask them how much gravel they usually add to their mix.

I also have 3 or 4 foot plants i am lst'ing to capture the light that is not used in the bottom center of the area.
SoG will help you lots and gobs. Learn to love short plants. :)

I think I am going to stick with soil because it feels right to me.
Say, that's a great reason. Much better than using hydroponics because it grows more, better quality dope, faster and more consistently than in soil.

You know what feels right to me? More dope than I could ever smoke, every 2 weeks.

I know the earth.
I am somewhat familiar with it myself. :lol:

I use soil with it on purpose just like having a layer of compost on the top of a plant. Everytime you water, a little bit of nutrients will run down.
It will work, I just dont know to what point.
OOH! A liquid nutrient solution! Be careful, you could have hydroponics sneeeking up on you!

I will keep the plants in veg for a few weeks and then to 12/12. I will update if there is any interest and it works.
What you will get is tall plants with little development down low on the plant. Lower buds will be fluffy & annoying to manicure. 85% of your yield will be in the top 1/2-1/3 of the plant. So, why not get 85% of the yield of a tall plant- but do that times 4 in the same floorspace as one tall plant? If you grew plants no taller than the depth that your light can penetrate, you wouldn't have to stuff around with the annoying bottom parts... which strangely enough, is what this thread is about- how to grow only the top 1/2 of a cannabis plant.
 

VictorVIcious

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Now you say 1/2. I have been looking at my tall plants and saying I probably should have pruned them 1/2 up instead of 1/3. Four weks flowering, should I make the adjustment or live and learn this time? VV
 

40acres

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check this out though, I have lollipopped the last few harvests to get smaller one cola plants. That idea I think comes straight from this thread. I thought it sounded good, and i decided it is easy.

I am not using an overabundanve of clay pellets, just a smattering, as well as not a bunch of the cocfiber.I may be fooling myself, but no real harm in trying. I can make it work just like nute less soil.

I have some perlite I am going to try.What do you think of it?


If i can get to the point where i can afford a full hydro system to do sog in, I will be doing that as well, I do like soil though. But if I ever can get a nice one, I am going sog all the way.I do think sog is possible with dirt, its just going to take a little longer.
And i admit it grows faster in water. its not fair thought to take taste away. Ever tried hydroponic fruit? Taste like water sacks.



I dont care what you say AL, Me and you are going to work out this soil sog thing.:mrgreen:
 

cmak40

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LMAO...tried. didnt work. i want taste to but i think al is right in the fact id rather have more that i can smoke or sell every 2 weeks. besides like he said try something tried tested and true then when YOU know what youre doing go and experiment, or even just take 4 clones that you cut and after they set root throw them in soil for yourself, just find a 400 for them or something, theres plenty of ways to get what you want but you should be learning this technique if youre in here....
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Now you say 1/2. I have been looking at my tall plants and saying I probably should have pruned them 1/2 up instead of 1/3. Four weks flowering, should I make the adjustment or live and learn this time? VV
VV, we're talking in proportions. Because of the uneven bud production habit of cannabis (biggest buds on the tips of mainstems and branches), most of the yield, even from a SoG plant, does come from the tip-top of the plants, but because they are shorter (mainly due to having been flowered immediately after the clones set root), the avg bud size and density will be much higher. Removing the branches from the lower 1/3 of the stem does get rid of the very smallest buds, but it's more useful an exercise in improving air circ around the plants.

Keep pruning the lower 1/3.

check this out though, I have lollipopped the last few harvests to get smaller one cola plants. That idea I think comes straight from this thread. I thought it sounded good, and i decided it is easy.
It is easy, but a number of factors have to come together in SoG to make it work properly.

I am not using an overabundanve of clay pellets, just a smattering, as well as not a bunch of the cocfiber.I may be fooling myself, but no real harm in trying. I can make it work just like nute less soil.
Well, the nut is that the pellets and coir are simply extraneous in soil. The only way you'll get it to work like inert media is to use inert media- and a nutrient solution... which we in the biz call hydroponics.

Noobs often guess there's some special plant growing characters contained in hydroponic media. The fact is that hydroponic media is inert- no nutrient value at all. The job of hydroponic media is to give the roots something to grab on to so the plants stay upright and also to hold some moisture while not permitting total saturation, which removes airspaces from the media. No air in media = poor root development, slow growth, etc.

I gotta tell you, 97% of the reason why I bother to talk about this with y'all is because there's so much mis- and disinformation out there about growing cannabis, even amongst the cannabis growing community.

Too many noob growers have succumbed to buzzwords- with 'help' from anti-drugs campaigners. Hydroponics, properly done, will grow more plant material faster but won't affect the potency, despite the anti-drugsters' claims that hydroponics yields cannabis which is 10-1000% stronger than cannabis from the 1960s and 70s.

If you grow in soil, you just get less weight. Incorporating hydroponic media into soil won't grow you more or better dope than plain old soil alone. Using hydroponic nutes in soil is a bad idea because hydro nutes include certain micronutes that are already present in soil.

The reason hydroponics does better than soil is because you are watering with an oxygenated nutrient solution. The more O2 to the roots, the better the plant development. Soil won't let you do that because it generally holds too much water to permit frequent watering. You may only be able to water a plant in soil a couple of times a week before symptoms of overwatering occur.

Is there any harm in trying hydro media mixed in soil? No, nothing that is particularly evil- coir & pellets in soil won't hurt your plants. However, you could have had more compost in your soil mix in the space occupied by the inert material. If you want to do soil, ask some of the soil guys on here how they do it- and copy the competent folks' grows, to the letter.

There's absolutely no shame in mimicry in this pursuit! If you see any monkeys growing great weed, monkey-see-monkey-do ought to get you some great weed.

I have some perlite I am going to try.What do you think of it?
Perlite is a natural volcanic glass which contains a small amount of water. When it is heated to about 870C, it puffs up like popcorn, and for the same reason. The combination of the glass material becoming softened from the heat and the flash evaporation of the water causes the puffing.

Of course, perlite is inert. No nutrient value. It makes a pretty good soil conditioner because it holds some water but won't saturate. Used alone, it's a good hydroponic medium, only problem is it is granular and will fall out of pot drain holes. Packing RW floc in the bottom of the pots solves this problem.

If i can get to the point where i can afford a full hydro system to do sog in, I will be doing that as well, I do like soil though. But if I ever can get a nice one, I am going sog all the way.I do think sog is possible with dirt, its just going to take a little longer.
If you are deadset committed to doing soil, this thread probably won't help you much. Hydroponics is more expensive to start up but the ongoing operation costs are not much more than a good soil op. The difference in hydroponics' greater production pays you back, many times over.

And i admit it grows faster in water. its not fair thought to take taste away. Ever tried hydroponic fruit? Taste like water sacks.
Apples and oranges, man... Hydroponic tomatoes are tasteless for two basic reasons, but neither have anything to do with hydroponics. The strains used are bred for high production, not good flavour and hydroponic tomatoes are harvested while still green but then forcibly ripened by exposing the fruit to ethylene gas. This turns them red but does not break down complex carbs into simple sugars as happens when you ripen a tomato on your windowsill. Give this a go- ripen some hothouse/hydroponic tomatoes on your windowsill for a week- you will be amazed at the taste improvement.

Hydroponics doesn't alter the flavour of cannabis one whit.

I dont care what you say AL, Me and you are going to work out this soil sog thing.:mrgreen:
If you don't care what I say, why are you here?

It won't be me & you working out a soil SoG- it'll be you. I have given numerous reasons throughout this thread regarding why soil isn't the way to go for a SoG op. Any further discussion from me is just repetition- and I'm now officially bored with repeating myself!

LMAO...tried. didnt work.

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you should be learning this technique if youre in here....
Yeah, it just knocks me out how many ppl have it in their mind that they are going to grow a certain way, then come to me asking if something will work... In fact, they're usually already doing it they way they have imagined it will work, but then come to me looking for validation or approval. More than one person has gone away disappointed when I can't give them the validation they want. A few even go away and tell others that I'm either totally nuts or just plain mean when I don't give them the approval they seek. In either case, I'm OK with the fact that folks like that, who are not really looking for information, just an ego prop, simply go away!

My op and techniques are not something I just worked out yesterday afternoon at 3 o'clock. This particular op is the product of 8 years of continuous refinement out of my 20 years growing weed in various ways. I've arrived at my methods as a compromise between high volume production and low labor input. I've got a good reason for every aspect of this op. If you mimic my op, you'll get what I get out of it, it's that easy.

There are some variations one can employ that won't make much difference in production, but will generally increase the amount of work involved. I really have pared this all back to suit a lazy stoned slacker, cos that's wot I am!
 

VictorVIcious

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I uhhh..I think its enough work as it is right now. You can't miss many days and be this successful. Did you see my new 152mm square pots , 35 easily on my 812 mm X1220 mm tables. VV
 

PlasmaRadio

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Yeah, i was just trying to ask some questions. I thought since maybe you had a thousand page thread, you wouldn't mind. I was wrong, and you are a dick.
Please, if anything, you're the dick. First off who quotes a novel post? Also, secondly, I see Al B. offer quality advice to people for free all the time. I would have lost patience with ingrates like you long ago. I don't know how he tolerates it.
 

cmak40

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Yeah, it just knocks me out how many ppl have it in their mind that they are going to grow a certain way, then come to me asking if something will work... In fact, they're usually already doing it they way they have imagined it will work, but then come to me looking for validation or approval. More than one person has gone away disappointed when I can't give them the validation they want. A few even go away and tell others that I'm either totally nuts or just plain mean when I don't give them the approval they seek. In either case, I'm OK with the fact that folks like that, who are not really looking for information, just an ego prop, simply go away!

My op and techniques are not something I just worked out yesterday afternoon at 3 o'clock. This particular op is the product of 8 years of continuous refinement out of my 20 years growing weed in various ways. I've arrived at my methods as a compromise between high volume production and low labor input. I've got a good reason for every aspect of this op. If you mimic my op, you'll get what I get out of it, it's that easy.

There are some variations one can employ that won't make much difference in production, but will generally increase the amount of work involved. I really have pared this all back to suit a lazy stoned slacker, cos that's wot I am!
do you mind checkin my op out Al its my signiture, dont need any help i dont think ive copied you to a t just want you to chek it. thanx

Yeah, i was just rrying to ask some questions. I thought since maybe you had a thousand page thread, you wouldnt mind. I was wrong, and you are a dick.
i admit after my first ? i was apprehensive as to the person al was but after reading THE WHOLE FUCKIN thread i realized he had answered most ?s a thousand times and he was showing a CERTAIN op not the one you are interested in, and that HE IN FACT DOESNT OWE any of us anyfuckingthing. so i came back correct and am about 2 weeks from pulling clones and 12 weeks from perpetual growth, not to mention i told you how to plant yourself a couple the way YOU INSIST upon. and still maintain a perpetual growth...its your fault you cant find the information provided in this cornocopia of info to use to your advantage!!! not als or anyone elses. even if he didnt give the answer you wanted you could get valuble info to apply to your way of growth here!

Please, if anything, you're the dick. First off who quotes a novel post? Also, secondly, I see Al B. offer quality advice to people for free all the time. I would have lost patience with ingrates like you long ago. I don't know how he tolerates it.
MUCH AGREED!!!
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Yeah, i was just rrying to ask some questions. I thought since maybe you had a thousand page thread, you wouldnt mind. I was wrong, and you are a dick.
I answered your questions- and I didn't mind. If you call that being a dick, you haven't seen me be a dick.

I also covered the mindset you presented, which is 'I'm doing it this way, tell me it's great, I really don't care about your opinion if you don't like it.' Begs the question, why did you bother asking any questions?

You can go away now.
 

cmak40

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I uhhh..I think its enough work as it is right now. You can't miss many days and be this successful. Did you see my new 152mm square pots , 35 easily on my 812 mm X1220 mm tables. VV
dunno about mm but i have square 5.5 inch pots but they are 6.8 inch high so they are about 1.6ish litre i remember you Al sayin 1 litre + is good, these should be A-okay then right, hope so bought 200. i can fit 30 comfortably in my 2x4 flood table(which is 2x4 on the outside and actually only fit 4 of my 5.5" pots wide) or 32 with 2 over the inlet and overflow but i think ill stik to 30 or less per 2 week period.
 

massbaster

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been reading your 1000 post thread. too bad some of the comments.

just wanted to put my 2 cents in... and say thanks, Al.

i have gotten great info from this thread and come back often to reread it.

i like your idea of being able to do this operation with any number of plants.

i do plan on copying you as much as i can to have a nice rotation.

since i am a noob, and having just worked out a bunch of "kinks" to this hydro growing, i am definitely ready for some good quality fems to get into this well explained SOG rotation.

but again just wanted to say thanks for the info and dont let the buggers get to ya. always a few bad apples on the tree.:peace:
 

Enigma

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been reading your 1000 post thread. too bad some of the comments.

just wanted to put my 2 cents in... and say thanks, Al.

i have gotten great info from this thread and come back often to reread it.

i like your idea of being able to do this operation with any number of plants.

i do plan on copying you as much as i can to have a nice rotation.

since i am a noob, and having just worked out a bunch of "kinks" to this hydro growing, i am definitely ready for some good quality fems to get into this well explained SOG rotation.

but again just wanted to say thanks for the info and dont let the buggers get to ya. always a few bad apples on the tree.:peace:
I know he isn't bothered by all of the haters.. he has reassurance every two weeks!

HA!

:peace:

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hornedfrog2000

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Hey AL, I had a couple questions... I have been reading a ton and I was wondering if these are some good ideas.

I was planning on using some sliding glass patio doors for the doors to my room, and do you think that PVC would be a good alternative to the dryer vent tubing that everyone uses for venting? I figured the PVC would insulate the scent better, as would some sliding glass patio doors.

One other question. you want the exhaust to suck harder than the intake right (example exhaust=200 cfm, and intake 175 cfm?) , so there isn't any smell being force out through the cracks?

I'm getting about 1000$ next week, and plan to gather supplies :D Thanks president douche bag, that stimulous check is going to good use.
 

cmak40

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been reading your 1000 post thread. too bad some of the comments.

just wanted to put my 2 cents in... and say thanks, Al.

i have gotten great info from this thread and come back often to reread it.

i like your idea of being able to do this operation with any number of plants.

i do plan on copying you as much as i can to have a nice rotation.

since i am a noob, and having just worked out a bunch of "kinks" to this hydro growing, i am definitely ready for some good quality fems to get into this well explained SOG rotation.

but again just wanted to say thanks for the info and dont let the buggers get to ya. always a few bad apples on the tree.:peace:
noob dont mean shit k i planted a couple plants on 2 occasions before now. damn near everything ive learned was from here or i got reference from here. my op is goin pretty well i think never done any kind of hydro in my life was honestly scared to. now i got a mother table and 3 of my flowering tables going with plenty of foreseeable success(chek the journal) just do it the info is here

Hey AL, I had a couple questions... I have been reading a ton and I was wondering if these are some good ideas.

I was planning on using some sliding glass patio doors for the doors to my room, and do you think that PVC would be a good alternative to the dryer vent tubing that everyone uses for venting? I figured the PVC would insulate the scent better, as would some sliding glass patio doors.

One other question. you want the exhaust to suck harder than the intake right (example exhaust=200 cfm, and intake 175 cfm?) , so there isn't any smell being force out through the cracks?

I'm getting about 1000$ next week, and plan to gather supplies :D Thanks president douche bag, that stimulous check is going to good use.
patio doors?...?...?...price is high and unnecessary. and for pvc for duct that is definately unnecessary. your intake and exhaust take care of the inefficiencies of those 2 things if you notice al talked about it(youre pretty much right about the cfm for each) the exhaust when more cfm than the intake also sucks in from the leaks if any in the room i.e. your door, or around shitty taped duct worm or any other small cracks its called negative pressure, al talked about it rather recently...
 

hornedfrog2000

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I'm just kind of paranoid about the smell. If I find a good price on some patio doors I will still buy them though.

I try to search this thread with what questions I have, but I don't always find the specific answers to the questions I have, and try to read 10x the amount I post. I guess I haven't searched very recently, but I also work almost every day too.
 

Enigma

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Hey AL, I had a couple questions... I have been reading a ton and I was wondering if these are some good ideas.

I was planning on using some sliding glass patio doors for the doors to my room, and do you think that PVC would be a good alternative to the dryer vent tubing that everyone uses for venting? I figured the PVC would insulate the scent better, as would some sliding glass patio doors.

One other question. you want the exhaust to suck harder than the intake right (example exhaust=200 cfm, and intake 175 cfm?) , so there isn't any smell being force out through the cracks?

I'm getting about 1000$ next week, and plan to gather supplies :D Thanks president douche bag, that stimulous check is going to good use.
Check out my journal (link below) I have some information in there on what carbon scrubber I'm using.. it cost around $30 to make.. and it isn't just one, no no.. it is TWO!

The exhaust should always pull more than the intake. This causes negative pressure which will insure that all scents are pulled into the filter(s). Every room has crack that air passes through.. unless you have a lab, a professional one.. with air-locks.

If you don't have any nutes yet, invest in General Hydroponics.. they are the simplest and most effective. Macronutrients/micronutrients/trace elements are all included in either the 3-part system, or the 2-part with a booster.

:peace:

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