Get a Harvest Every 2 Weeks

cmak40 said:

they are in 40mm rockwool cubes,

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cool.

i think that they may be a little over saturated but they dont feel like it to me(im NEW)

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40mm cubes weigh 5g dry, 25g when properly damp, not wet.

yes a tupperware thats all i had, walmart didnt have one.

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Whether a tupperware or a humidome, it's not needed if the plant can get water through the stem cut.

ya i sterilized everything, i cut them off the plant then put under water and cut again then into rooting solution then into cubes.

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Eliminate the underwater stem cut. Not necessary. If the water isn't sterile, it's a pathogen vector. Ignore dire warnings of 'air embolisms' in cuttings. It's a practise florists use for cut flowers, not real useful for propagation.

Just cut with a sterile scalpel, dip in rooting powder (yes powder- gels can harbour pathogens, powders form a paste which stays put through several waterings), knock off all excess powder, leaving only a dusting, and plug in the cube. A heat mat will improve your strike rate dramatically.

ahh ya they went into about 4hrs of darkness and under a 400 hps that puts enuf heat to keep the area plenty warm(closet)

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Probably too much radiant heat. A clone without a root system has a hard time picking up enough water without applying a lot of light or thermal stress, both which increase the transpiration from the leaves. Clones need very little light intensity- they just need enough light to be convinced it is daytime for 18+hrs/day so to remain in veg state. Get a CFL or regular flo over them.

Go back over my post about cloning in rockwool. If you follow that like a cookbook recipe- to the letter- you will get 100% strikes in 6-7 days.

I think you may have got the beginnings of pythium/fusarium stem rot- the underwater recut could be the culprit. A humidome will not solve the problem. However, all is not lost. You can re-cut your stems, dip in rooting powder and plug back in the existing cubes you've tried to use once before, but the cubes will need to be treated with a sterilising solution, 50% H2O2 @ 1ml per litre of solution, pH adjust to 5.8. Drain the cubes with a salad spinner or with a snap of the wrist so they weigh about 20-25g.

Watering clones in rockwool is really hard to get right, I certainly acknowledge that. The best way is to dip only a corner of the cube in a watering solution. The cubes really should be quite dry (lost about 1/2 the water weight, cube wt about 15g) 12 hours after watering. You'll have to estimate the weight of the cutting in the cube if you will be trying to manage watering by cube weight, but it's a sure way to make it work.

I've just re-read the cloning bit. When I wrote it, I was using a weak dose of veg nutes in the clone watering solution. I later found this slowed rooting and deleted that from the process.

I really ought to get a moderator to edit that out of that post. I can no longer edit it- I think the board is set to only allow editing for a certain time after posting.

thanx al really appreciate that ill be there in the morning to try n mend things up.

also what do you use for nutes on your moms?

cmak40 said:

thanx al really appreciate that ill be there in the morning to try n mend things up.

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coolio.

Just don't repeat the overwatering. Overwet conds drive all the O2 out of the cube, slowing root node formation and favouring pythium/fusarium rot. You should be not able to shake any water out of a properly just damp cube with a snap of the wrist. It's better to underwater and check them several times per day to make sure they have not dried out than to overwater.

You can also buy a 60ml irrigation syringe from the pharmacy for watering the cubes- these don't come with needles, are easy to buy and not too exxy. Easy way to measure small amts of water. Each watering should take about 10-15ml per cube for 12 hours when using a heat mat, slightly less without a mat. Squirt the water into the bottom of the cubes.

also what do you use for nutes on your moms?

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Canna Vega (Substra), 1400-1600ppm @ 5.8.

ok im trying to figure out how many clones I should start with to begin the whole cycle. The goal is to have 8-10 moms at all times, 30 on each tray, 35 clones ready to go into the trays at all times. Should I get 12 clones to start and then grow them into mothers and then clip, or try to get 40 clones 30 for the first tray and 10 to grow into mother. What do you think?

Can this method be expanded with more plants and more stages of growth to get a harvest every week?

bigal10 said:

ok im trying to figure out how many clones I should by to begin the whole cycle. the goal is to have 8-10 moms at all times, 30 on each tray, 35 clones . Should I get 12 clones to start and then grow them into mothers and then clip, or try to get 40 clones 30 for the first tray and 10 to grow into mother. What do you think?

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If you're buying clones, you could buy just one, veg it up for 2-3 weeks, get 15 cuts intending to use the best 10 for mums, then veg those up for 2-3 wks to give you your 40 cuts for your first batch of 30 to be flowered, plus extras for insurance.

If you can get clones very cheaply (or you're independently wealthy ), you could buy in enough to fill your mother tray and your tray #1. Would save you several (4-6) weeks over buying only one. Don't know what's practical for you.

Kuji said:

Can this method be expanded with more plants and more stages of growth to get a harvest every week?

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Sure. You COULD do cuttings every DAY and have cuttings ready to go in also daily, with plants coming out for harvest every day, too!

I designed the 2-week rotation system to break up the job of harvesting. You should have seen me before I reorganised things, trying to manicure 4 trays of plants and have 4 trays worth of clones ready to go in- all at once, every 8 weeks. Disaster. Could not finish manicuring all the plants before they would go to mould, as there was no room in the op for both plants just finished flowering and new plants. Air in my op is humidity controlled and has plenty of ventilation through-flow, but the area where I do the manicuring work is not so fortunate- and speeds up mould if the plants have to be there for any appreciable amt of time before I can finish the trimming work. Having 92 clones ready all at once also required more mother plants than I keep now.

I am going to try this even though I havent been doing any of this in years. Could you guys look at the picture I am attaching and tell me what you think! I will be using 3x3 trays for # 1-4 . My moms will be in a box 2ft 6 in x 2ft 6inx 6ft 9in tall with a flood and drain setup that is 2ftx2ft. My clones will be in a box 2ft 6in x 1ft 8in x 2ft tall this drawing is too scale 1 square= 2 in. The clone box will be on tracks mounted to the wall so i can slide it out in the open and open it then when i am done slide it back next to the moms out of the way! The 3x3 trays will be a standard flood and drain setup! Hopefully with one 1000 w light in air cooled tube, with the batwing setup this will cover two of the 3x3 trays, another 1000 w light in air cooled tube, with batwing setup for other 2 3x3 trays. When I hang these lights how far should they be from the plants and how do you make yours cover two trays when the plants in the two trays are different heighs? I should center the light between tray #1 and #2 right and the same for #3 and #4! For my moms they will have an air cooled 400w setup. For the clones I will have a heat mat with a 2ft four lamp t5 setup! Cany anyone give me any hints or see anything that will be wrong with this setup? This room is in a basement and stays a constant 65 degrees so I am going to wait on the exhaust/scrubber and intake fans becuase i wanna see what heat does in here first when I do my test runs for a wk or so! Also, I think you said your pots are 175 mm wouldnt that be a 6" pot not 8" because I dont see how you are fitting 23 8" pots in your tray that is smaller than 3x3? Sorry for all the confusions just trying to get this all streight and have some other people look at it with another eye to help fix any problems before I go and drop this kinda money on equipment. The room is also covered with B/w Poly film except the floor but its painted flat white and is concrete!

AL, also on the first page you said that you use a 400w hps for your mother isnt that light designed for budding why do you use that versus a 400w mh? Just curious

insanestang4life said:

AL, also on the first page you said that you use a 400w hps for your mother isnt that light designed for budding why do you use that versus a 400w mh? Just curious

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READ ABOUT 107 MORE PAGES AND YOULL SEE.....CONVENIENCE AND ITS GOOD FOR HIS SITUATION

I have read all 116 pages in one sitting talk about a lot of information! I was just trying to figure out why he is using it? I know its convenient for his situation I am just wandering why? But, thanks for the ponter to page 107 LOL

insanestang4life said:

I have read all 116 pages in one sitting talk about a lot of information! I was just trying to figure out why he is using it? I know its convenient for his situation I am just wandering why? But, thanks for the ponter to page 107 LOL

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he likes to get thicker stems for his clones. By having the hps it allows his stems to be thicker than they would be with mh set up.

Thanks alot bigal!

I'm composing a reply to stang's many queries now, in between manicuring- a job I hate, but comes first, sorry.

stang should be the very LAST person accused of not reading the thread- I read his notes and said to myself, 'here's a fella who has read this whole thing from top to bottom- and gets it.'

cu in a few hours, if not tomorrow.

i didnt say he DIDNT read it but if he did the answer to his question was answered just not to long ago, not exactly on page 107 but in that range somewhere hard to remember where certain info is at sometimes.

whats the deal on telling sex in veg tho al, i have 13 plants on 24hr lite from seed and from las nite when i talked to you to today one has sacs all over it. they are 32 days old from germ and this is the only one showing any signs of sex??

cmak40 said:

i didnt say he DIDNT read it but if he did the answer to his question was answered just not to long ago, not exactly on page 107 but in that range somewhere hard to remember where certain info is at sometimes.

whats the deal on telling sex in veg tho al, i have 13 plants on 24hr lite from seed and from las nite when i talked to you to today one has sacs all over it. they are 32 days old from germ and this is the only one showing any signs of sex??

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From many references, longer lighting increases male percentages. 16/8 or 18/6 for veg.

I haven't tested this.. but it makes sense to me.

Stress = Male

I know you werent saying I hadnt read the whole thing. I probly just missed it because I literally sat here and have read this whole thing in one sitting.

cmak40 said:

i didnt say he DIDNT read it but if he did the answer to his question was answered just not to long ago, not exactly on page 107 but in that range somewhere hard to remember where certain info is at sometimes.

whats the deal on telling sex in veg tho al, i have 13 plants on 24hr lite from seed and from las nite when i talked to you to today one has sacs all over it. they are 32 days old from germ and this is the only one showing any signs of sex??

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Hey AL B take your time I am in no hurry just get to me when you have a chance! And THANKS for the comments!

Hey Al,

A couple of pics of the new design... What do you think?


Picture #1: Revised 35 gal res; 1000w HPS; Cooltube; Wing; (61) 3" net pots.

Picture #2: Same as Picture #1, Model - 5a, with (2) 1000w HPS.

Picture #3: New! 45 gal res; Holds mothers & clones; 48" Quad T5's; 250w-400w HPS; Cooltube; Wing.

Picture #4: New! Process and flow diagram. The two rooms share the same fan to cool a 1000w HPS and a 250w-400w HPS.


What size fan do you think would be needed (150 CFM+)?

What size HPS to veg mums (8 mums; 400w)?



Enigma

Al B. Fuct said:

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Sure. You COULD do cuttings every DAY and have cuttings ready to go in also daily, with plants coming out for harvest every day, too!

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