ginsberg's dire warning coming true already

SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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DonAlejandroVega said:
we're here for our cake

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Great point.

I once asked the tattoo artist while getting my one and only tattoo if he had ever had anyone ask for white power or swastikas. He said yes, but that he refuses to do that type of work.

I don't dig requiring Jewish tattoo artists to put swastikas on people.

I don't think the bakers are refusing to sale the gays some cup cakes.

I doubt the photographer would refuse to do a portrait for a gay client.

The event coordinator would likely help plan a business party for a gay patron who threw a party for his employees.

These folks are artists in many ways, and artists have always had freedom to accept or decline commissions as they saw fit.
 
DonAlejandroVega

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Buck's argument is, that civil rights are for people who born a certain color or gender or orientation, not for people who CHOSE their identity. some credible studies suggest that reactionary political attitude may indeed, develop before birth. stressed mothers send different hormones to their developing offspring, than do calm, well-adjusted mothers. so.......I guess you can be born a fanatic, or easy-going and tolerant. maybe we should feel sorry for them, and force people to bake them cakes. with SWAT teams and litigation.
 
UncleBuck

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SmokeyDan said:
Great point.

I once asked the tattoo artist while getting my one and only tattoo if he had ever had anyone ask for white power or swastikas. He said yes, but that he refuses to do that type of work.

I don't dig requiring Jewish tattoo artists to put swastikas on people.

I don't think the bakers are refusing to sale the gays some cup cakes.

I doubt the photographer would refuse to do a portrait for a gay client.

The event coordinator would likely help plan a business party for a gay patron who threw a party for his employees.

These folks are artists in many ways, and artists have always had freedom to accept or decline commissions as they saw fit.
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there goes the latest sock puppet, diving right in to politics and defending denial of service and lack of civil rights to gays.

fucking bigot.
 
SmokeyDan

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UncleBuck said:
there goes the latest sock puppet, diving right in to politics and defending denial of service and lack of civil rights to gays.

fucking bigot.
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If everyone were doing it and gay people couldn't buy things they needed or go to places they wanted to go you might have a point, and action would need to be taken.

As it stands, a gay person might need to call to a second store every blue moon for a specifically gay service.

It amounts to nothing more than a minor inconvenience that comes up exceedingly rarely.

As it stands gays need to be extended the right to marry, and protected from being fired for being gay.

It is a balancing act, and since these occurrences are rare and rather harmless due to their low proportion of perpetrators, the right of someone to not be forced into doing something they find objectionable is more important.
 
UncleBuck

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SmokeyDan said:
As it stands, a gay person might need to call to a second store every blue moon for a specifically gay service.
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had no idea flowers or photography or wedding cakes were a "specifically gay" domain.

i've bought all of them before, i must be gay.
 
SmokeyDan

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UncleBuck said:
had no idea flowers or photography or wedding cakes were a "specifically gay" domain.

i've bought all of them before, i must be gay.
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Let's be very clear about one thing.

The bakery in question did not deny gays entry to his store, nor did the baker refuse service all together.

The bakers, photographers, and florists simply refused to participate in a gay wedding.

The services denied to them weren't total (like the blacks) but specifically narrowed to services related to gay weddings.

Another reason this discrimination is but a tiny fraction of what blacks faced.
 
UncleBuck

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SmokeyDan said:
Let's be very clear about one thing.

The bakery in question did not deny gays entry to his store, nor did the baker refuse service all together.

The bakers, photographers, and florists simply refused to participate in a gay wedding.

The services denied to them weren't total (like the blacks) but specifically narrowed to services related to gay weddings.

Another reason this discrimination is but a tiny fraction of what blacks faced.
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as long as you're OK with anti-gay discrimination under the guise of religious freedom, that tells me all i need to know about you.

fucktard religious bigot.
 
SmokeyDan

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UncleBuck said:
as long as you're OK with anti-gay discrimination under the guise of religious freedom, that tells me all i need to know about you.

fucktard religious bigot.
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I'm not ok with it.

It isn't that cut and dry. I would personally refuse to patronize that baker as my own way to tell him he is a religious bigot.

However, the problem is so small, those who would do it so few, that the greater harm is in bringing in the federal government to force people to do something against their will when there are plenty who would gladly do it.

It is a balancing act.

I don't have any hard data on this, and I suspect you don't either, but I suspect a gay couple seeking marriage would have to try to locate a provider of services who refused to help them.

Here is your chance to change my mind or be proven a failure...

How many bakeries in Phoenix will not make a wedding cake for a gay couple?

Now, how many places in Phoenix can someone get a wedding cake?

I suspect my first questions answer will be single digits, and the second question will be triple digits.

If that is the case, then why is that an issue?

If that is the case, why would a gay couple want to compel a business to proved service to them against their will when it can easily be willingly and eagerly obtained elsewhere?
 
DonAlejandroVega

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SmokeyDan said:
I'm not ok with it.

It isn't that cut and dry. I would personally refuse to patronize that baker as my own way to tell him he is a religious bigot.

However, the problem is so small, those who would do it so few, that the greater harm is in bringing in the federal government to force people to do something against their will when there are plenty who would gladly do it.

It is a balancing act.

I don't have any hard data on this, and I suspect you don't either, but I suspect a gay couple seeking marriage would have to try to locate a provider of services who refused to help them.

Here is your chance to change my mind or be proven a failure...

How many bakeries in Phoenix will not make a wedding cake for a gay couple?

Now, how many places in Phoenix can someone get a wedding cake?

I suspect my first questions answer will be single digits, and the second question will be triple digits.

If that is the case, then why is that an issue?

If that is the case, why would a gay couple want to compel a business to proved service to them against their will when it can easily be willingly and eagerly obtained elsewhere?
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now, now....we need a hob-nailed boot on EVERY throat..........democracy an' all. :)
 
desert dude

desert dude

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SmokeyDan said:
I'm not ok with it.

It isn't that cut and dry. I would personally refuse to patronize that baker as my own way to tell him he is a religious bigot.

However, the problem is so small, those who would do it so few, that the greater harm is in bringing in the federal government to force people to do something against their will when there are plenty who would gladly do it.

It is a balancing act.

I don't have any hard data on this, and I suspect you don't either, but I suspect a gay couple seeking marriage would have to try to locate a provider of services who refused to help them.

Here is your chance to change my mind or be proven a failure...

How many bakeries in Phoenix will not make a wedding cake for a gay couple?

Now, how many places in Phoenix can someone get a wedding cake?

I suspect my first questions answer will be single digits, and the second question will be triple digits.

If that is the case, then why is that an issue?


If that is the case, why would a gay couple want to compel a business to proved service to them against their will when it can easily be willingly and eagerly obtained elsewhere?
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My advice is don't try to discuss anything with Buck in a civil way. He is a liar and propagandist. He is to be ridiculed at every turn.

But, that's just me.
 
UncleBuck

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SmokeyDan said:
How many bakeries in Phoenix will not make a wedding cake for a gay couple?
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arizona doesn't have gay marriage you dumb bigot.

SmokeyDan said:
I why would a gay couple want to compel a business to proved service to them against their will when it can easily be willingly and eagerly obtained elsewhere?
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by this logic, i can only assume that you prefer only having access to a smaller, more limited, possibly inferior set of goods and services.

am i right about that, ya dumb fucking bigot?
 
NLXSK1

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UncleBuck said:
arizona doesn't have gay marriage you dumb bigot.



by this logic, i can only assume that you prefer only having access to a smaller, more limited, possibly inferior set of goods and services.

am i right about that, ya dumb fucking bigot?
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Are you trying to say that two gay people have never gotten married in the state of Arizona??

Or are you having a tantrum because their marriages were not recognized by the state?

NM, we already know the answer...
 
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