Girl scout cookie forum cut issue

[kmog33]

Soil temp could be too high. Or salt build up. Looks like you're getting some lockout but most of the new growth looks good. I'd give them straight water for a few waterings and maybe melt some ice in it before you water. You don't want freezing water. But if you can cool it to around 60F you may see some beneficial reaction.


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[Organicgrow42]

My veg room runs at 70° at soil level so I'd assume interior is somewhere in ballpark of 65°, or at least something not too high I would say. It's not even in a room right now but sitting under a light in corner of basement under flouros so I know temps should be good....

To me it either way too much nutes which seems.unlikely in the mix I described.

Im going to try to go heavy and see what happens I guess. Organically of course

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

My veg room runs at 70° at soil level so I'd assume interior is somewhere in ballpark of 65°, or at least something not too high I would say. It's not even in a room right now but sitting under a light in corner of basement under flouros so I know temps should be good....
To me it either way too much nutes which seems.unlikely in the mix I described.
Im going to try to go heavy and see what happens I guess. Organically of course

I would check your soil temps with a thermometer, especially if it sits on a cold slab. The reason is simple, low soil temps can make a plant look like it has PK problems, you really want something in the mid to high 70's for you soil temp.

I've had a similar problem lately I put my clones next to the window when I run out of room, but the window is cold, because the airtemp is still around 40-50's and thats too cold, because they are in cups. When I move the cups around they feel cold. They show leaves similar to a PK problem.

I guess I should have noticed that sooner, because you said you had purpling in your leaves, the GSC cut does that to me when it gets cold.

 

[Organicgrow42]

@GrowerGoneWild
Hmmm, well this particular cut is on a 3 ft tall table and is only about 12" from the flouro and has a fan blowing between the canopy and lights. The ambient room temp is 70 degrees near the root zone.

I'll use a hygrometer to check what's going on above canopy but it has to be in the 75° range.

I have a gsc in flower right now that is almost done and is a deep purple in all leaves stems and main colas. This is almost furthest from my ac. When I first put it in the flower room, I actually had it right by my door which IS furthest from ac. Hmmm..I know it's a purpling type plant so I wasn't tripping about it

I'll record what I find tomorrow and post it. Thanks for all your help in the mean time!

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

@GrowerGoneWild
I'll record what I find tomorrow and post it. Thanks for all your help in the mean time!

Heh, I want to figgure out this problem, I'm supposed to be very familiar with cultivar.

So back to basics..

-Most plant problems are usually from soil problems. As high as 80%, or so my botany instructors tell me.

-Cold soil temps can look like PK problems in cannabis. I had a problem where I was doing a shed grow, and the floor was not insulated, I had to build a subfloor and put blueboard down and I put the smart pots on pallets. What really tipped me off was my water temp of plants I had in reirc drip. they looked bad like they needed PK, but the water temp was ~50's. I threw in a tank heater to keep it in the low 70's. No more PK problems. Troubleshooting for that was easy because I know that the solution wasn't lacking in anything.

-Cannabis spp. is a warm weather plant its a subtropical to tropical, plant. We know that some of the cultivars involved to make GSC are of tropical origin. I would adjust temps higher to see if its happier there.

-I did a little statistical averaging of grow temps of peoples grow I came up with 78.3 F, for ambient air temps. This is within the range of warm weather plants, for non enriched environments. See if you can get your soil temp into this range.

-One things you did mention that did stand out is the use of floro's, they work but they dont have the punch of IR or heat of a HPS light or the penetration for that matter.

-Lastly my GSC cut likes more PK. I have this rather generic mix that my mom sits in. It seems like lately the 900PPM/5.7PH mix she sits in looks like shes' underfed. A little bit of maxicrop seemed to fix her. Every other cut seems fine zero issues. It might have been that giant bucket of Maxigrow that was getting crusty for the last couple of years. It literally was smelling funny, Anyways I threw it out, and got fresh fertilizer. And as lazy as this sounds, when the PPM starts to rise, she literally explodes from the growth, its almost annoying.

 

[Organicgrow42]

I use the flouros when they get larger than what can fit under my t5s. They sit under the flouros for like 2 weeks max. I have a short ceiling so I got to so what I can.

I made a shelf/table system with the t5 on top and t8 underneath and when they outgrown the t5 they have to go somewhere til they are large enough to go to the flower room so I'd say a temporary stop before flower.

Probably going to take this all down to get my largest plants under the t5 since they need the most light. This will be a couple weeks though. Getting outdoor garden right.

I'll take all the readings I can neXT time. The reservoir temp that holds my water til I need it, the soil temp ambient temp at canopy, a lumen reading.

My blue lab truncheon is not calibrated anymore so I can't ph runoff but I don't trust that anyways

 

[Organicgrow42]

Ok so I'll post a pic at end of this to show how she looks today. I'll keep taking pics to show the progression of her life.

Soil temp: 70° (I used a 6" probe type thermometer and let it sit 30 mins and I'm at 70°)
Temp at canopy: 71.5° RH 51%
Temp at soil level: 69.3° RH: 59%
Lux: least amount is 10,500 on outside branches at canopy, 19,200 in middle of light at canopy

Reservoir temp: about 67° ( let sit 30 mins w same thermometer)

Pic 1: Girl scout cookie today after transplant from 3 gal to a 5 gal.
Transplant Mix# 5:
2 part Roots og, 1 part roots 707
1 part compost
2.5 part perlite (2 parts small chunk,.5 large)
.25 part vermicompost
.25 vermicomposting compost top dress after its all said and done.

Pic 2: top of plant
Pic 3: pic of leaf I showed before, this is at bottom of plant
Pic 4: pic of leaf I showed that was starting to purple I believe, this is towards top

Anything else that would be helpful?

She looks yellowed now towards the tip and stems are purple, leaf margins are mostly purple, leaf tips purple and edges of all leaf tips are purpling

 

[Organicgrow42]

Here is the gsc the plant we are talking about came off of. This one has a lot of purple leaves but wayyyy less purple on stems. It's still there but look, 3rd and 4th pic is a pic of stem. 5th is of the other plants stem

Sorry it's pics in my flower room, can't move it out.

 

[Organicgrow42]

5th pic of younger gsc that we have been talking about, this is a pic of stem and main branches

 

[smink13]

@GrowerGoneWild

I forgot about this thread. I switched my soil mix completely. I went with MOFO style no til organic. First few runs can be a little out of whack til it all starts to balance out.

Still having the issue we talked about but to a lesser extent now. Everything I mentioned before is still going on but less. Buds looks great but there are times I want to leave another week and litreally am too scared to of fear she will end up dying.

The buds start to just brown up. Now this new mix I have only seen that happening on the very very lower popcorn buds but the leaves are all still fucked. The plant right before harvest looks like a dead skeleton w excellent buds lol

Not complaining about the buds but if I can figure this out better I may be able to increase my yields.

I'm going to try doing a" feed the shit out of one" and a LIFTA method on the other and see if she is really hungry or overfed. I dont use bottles of any kind so giving food is now malted barley, kelp, neem or karanja. These are mixed variously with aloe, agsil16, coconut powder.

Anyone else wanna chime in about their experiences growing the forum cut? Is she light or heavy feeder or just random thoughts on her, Thanks!

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

@GrowerGoneWild

Anyone else wanna chime in about their experiences growing the forum cut? Is she light or heavy feeder or just random thoughts on her, Thanks!

The forum cut is difficult, This is kinda how I feel about that cut, you can have beautiful leaves, but not the greatest bud, or feed heavy get some burn, and end up with some sparkling and shiny flowers. I'm not sure if the leaf is actually going through senescence and has nothing to do with feed schedule. I'm also having some similar problems with GSC hybrids like Dark Heart's sherbert, the leaf changes easily.

Since I ran the cut lollypop and in SOG, I guess my leaf issues didn't seem so extreme. Like you said before the plant looks terrible.. flowers look outstanding.

I discontinued the forum cut, and Im now running Platinum GSC. I thought the platinum was better, and the feedback of 10 wk PGSC (hydro) vs. FCGSC (hydro) PGSC won.. I would have done a soil vs hydro, but FCGSC (soil) I can hardly keep around.

 

[smink13]

Hmm thanks for the bit of info. I'm hoping things just get better with time. I'm blown away at home these plants are growing now. Could be that I'm now in 10 gal and 15 gals smart pots and not 5 gal plastic too.

Time will tell. Where did ya score the platinum? I live in michigan so I can't just get bomb genetics at my local dispensary if you in cali.

Jealous of the scene over there.

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

Hmm thanks for the bit of info. I'm hoping things just get better with time. I'm blown away at home these plants are growing now. Could be that I'm now in 10 gal and 15 gals smart pots and not 5 gal plastic too.

Time will tell. Where did ya score the platinum? I live in michigan so I can't just get bomb genetics at my local dispensary if you in cali.

Jealous of the scene over there.

I was running FCGSC in 30 gallon smart pots running supersoils and watering in teas. I didn't have too much leaf issues.
Wish I would have taken pictures, but since I my grows move around every few years and different owners, and it was clearly illegal what I was doing at the time, I didn't document my 60+ plant grow when I was running almost all cookies.

The PGSC was sourced from a local grower, he did an F1 sort, and I got the cut, I dont know the original breeder. I did a bunch of trips to Cali and came back with roughly 20 +different strains from my travels but PGSC wasn't on the menus, Forum Cut GSC was, could have been the store I went to.

Either way, I'm very happy with the PGSC cut I have its strong, and easy to work with. I'm already reversing it for some femmed pollen projects.

 

[Sunny Organics]

i have some flaming cookies going on atm cant wait for it to purp, gsc strains are too fun to grow cheers!

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

i have some flaming cookies going on atm cant wait for it to purp, gsc strains are too fun to grow cheers!

Nice I did a cross like that, Fire OG dad dusted Forum Cut GSC. I got my tester in flower.

 

[Sunny Organics]

Nice I did a cross like that, Fire OG dad dusted Forum Cut GSC. I got my tester in flower.

its going to be fire bro!!! i crossed greenpoints monster cookies with a bushy purple flaming cookies stud, im in the process of testing them as well.