Going mars hydro for summer, help welcome

sarahJane211 · Apr 12, 2020

nmibud said:
You will get better support from a more local manufacturer.A warranty claim will actually be honored.

I actually disagree, take the HLG 550 link posted earlier in the thread, @ 780 pounds ($1000).
You could buy 2 of the Chinese clones @ $160 each, total $320, giving you the same lighting for less than 1/3 the cost.
No need for a guarantee, as you can buy essentially the same light set-up 3x, for less money, and just chuck them if they go wrong.

Nizza · Apr 12, 2020

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or this but feel the 2 lights is better for the price than 1 unit.
Anyone got any coupon codes for hlg?

Riu10/diy10 will do 10% off. The 288 boards are on sale now too

nmibud · Apr 12, 2020

That mentality is what's wrong with this world,I would pay double to keep locals in their jobs.Over here people are not disposable like they are in asia.

Homegrownoob · Apr 12, 2020

nmibud said:
That mentality is what's wrong with this world,I would pay double to keep locals in their jobs.Over here people are not disposable like they are in asia.

Exactly. That’s why I bought Timber lights, that was important to me.

StareCase · Apr 12, 2020

sarahJane211 said:
... You could buy 2 of the Chinese clones ... giving you the same lighting for less than 1/3 the cost ...

I totally disagree with that.

The spectral output from blurple manufacturers QB knockoffs still lack the intensity on the red side. Other than a little bump in the green, yellow and orange wavelengths, it's pretty much the same light that the blurples provided. And blurples gave me rather larfy yields.

Chinese clones are not the same lighting.

sarahJane211 · Apr 12, 2020

StareCase said:
The spectral output from blurple manufacturers QB knockoffs still lack the intensity on the red side. Other than a little bump in the green, yellow and orange wavelengths, it's pretty much the same light that the blurples provided. And blurples gave me rather larfy yields.

So you think the same LED chips will give different light output when assembled in China?
I'll let you know, another 2+ weeks before my Amnesia Auto is ripe, and it's the first plant I've gone all the way with these lights.

Renfro · Apr 12, 2020

sarahJane211 said:
So you think the same LED chips will give different light output when assembled in China?

If they are fake. china is known for making fake samsungs and whatnot. Also the build quality can be iffy.

kindnug · Apr 12, 2020

Hopefully the diodes don't burn out in a few months like their original blurples...
Their original designs were terrible.

sarahJane211 · Apr 12, 2020

Renfro said:
If they are fake. china is known for making fake samsungs and whatnot. Also the build quality can be iffy.

They have the same Meanwell drivers as the original HLG lamps.
There's not much that can go wrong with flow soldering LED chips on a board (and there's not much more to the QBs).
I guess the Samsung 301B (V2 first purchase) and Samsung 301H (V3 latest purchase) could be fakes, but so could the chips on the original HLG boards, how could you tell? trust?
But as I said bought the first of these lamps on Feb 1st, and it's behaved perfectly as far as I can tell (47k Lux @ 36").

Renfro · Apr 12, 2020

One thing I have learned in 30 years of growing, you get what you pay for. 9 times out of 10 an attempt to save money on stuff like cheap lights will bite you in the ass. Hopefully that is not the case with the light you picked up and it runs well for many years to come.

sarahJane211 · Apr 12, 2020

Renfro said:
Hopefully that is not the case with the light you picked up and it runs well for many years to come.

I've only got about 5 years left in me ......... no need for them to last that long.

TreeFarmerCharlie · Apr 12, 2020

sarahJane211 said:
I actually disagree, take the HLG 550 link posted earlier in the thread, @ 780 pounds ($1000).
You could buy 2 of the Chinese clones @ $160 each, total $320, giving you the same lighting for less than 1/3 the cost.
No need for a guarantee, as you can buy essentially the same light set-up 3x, for less money, and just chuck them if they go wrong.

This is such a horrible way to think. You are actually condoning creating more waste, and supporting those who steal the hard work of others, just to save money. They aren’t “clones” they are cheaply made rip-offs of quality lights.

Renfro · Apr 12, 2020

sarahJane211 said:
I've only got about 5 years left in me

I am sorry to hear that.

5 years is a long time for a cheap light.

Can't take the money with you lol (just kidding there and probably in bad taste)

sarahJane211 · Apr 12, 2020

TreeFarmerCharlie said:
This is such a horrible way to think. You are actually condoning creating more waste, and supporting those who steal the hard work of others, just to save money. They aren’t “clones” they are cheaply made rip-offs of quality lights.

Not much work in flow soldering Samsung light chips onto a flat circuit board.
I'm supporting my local workers, in a local country.
And I actually doubt HLG are making the boards in the West, most companies just re-badge made in China products.

Not everyone in the world is getting a free $1000 from the President to throw away.

TreeFarmerCharlie · Apr 12, 2020

sarahJane211 said:
Not much work in flow soldering Samsung light chips onto a flat circuit board.
I'm supporting my local workers, in a local country.

You are a supporting the theft of IP and trademarks. The Chinese don’t seem to have any issue ripping off designs, IP, or trademarks, so I guess nobody will be able to change the way you think ig you live in a country where it’s people see nothing wrong with it.

lukio · Apr 12, 2020

@CherryLola

Mars is Spider Farmer. Avoid those guys.

hit up @diyled . he's been around ages and offers quality pre built or DIY kits.

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sarahJane211 · Apr 12, 2020

TreeFarmerCharlie said:
You are a supporting the theft of IP and trademarks. The Chinese don’t seem to have any issue ripping off designs, IP, or trademarks, so I guess nobody will be able to change the way you think ig you live in a country where it’s people see nothing wrong with it.

Don't worry, everyone all over the world will be equally out of work for the foreseeable future.
(apologies to the OP for pooping all over his thread)

Not to mention we're all (illegal?) drug manufacturers ....... hard to take the moral high ground, eh!
Just imagine at your local cop shop, "I'm a drug dealer but I've never infringed someone else intellectual property rights"
Or at your local seed bank, "I've never cloned one of your seeds"

kindnug · Apr 12, 2020

I wonder how many of Mars original lights ended up in landfills...
That was before they had good designs to copy though.

kindnug · Apr 12, 2020

Where I live it's legal farming, maybe where you live it's considered illegal drug manufacturing similar to cocaine or heroin.

kindnug · Apr 12, 2020

Are you trying to say horticulture lighting companies are drug dealers? not sure how that applies to them.

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