Gonna start my first grow [HELP NEEDED!!!] [200 watt ESL soil grow CANNA Terra nutes] [Purple Haze]

MF-Wizard · May 1, 2015

So I'm gonna start my first grow in a couple of months as soon as I get my gear setup. If any of the experienced growers can answer my questions and possibly correct some mistakes I made on the setup plan, please let me know, I want my first grow as problem free as possible.

For my first time I'm thinking about growing Purple Haze from sensiseeds, I'm thinking about growing 5 plants and take cuttings from them late flower so I can do a clone grow next.

THE GROW BOX BUILD
I'm thinking about growing with a grow box the size of 60x60x120 cm (23x23x47 inches) with PAR+ reflective material, two 200 Watt ESL bulbs with the first bulb packing 6500 Kelvin light spectrum and for flowering I have 2700 Kelvin bulb of the same wattage in my shopping list (aluminium reflector included), inline fan with a mufller and an air duct connected to an activated carbon filter (possibly homemade), dehumidifier, temperature meter, hydrometer, two grow nets, bunch of string for LST and finally an oscillating fan for early veg to stimulate strong stem growth.

NUTRIENTS
Canna Terra Vega and Terra Flores for the main fertilizer, Canna PK (13-14???) to ensure healthy flowering, Cal-Mag to battle the two most common deficiencies, Maxi Crop liquid seaweed to stimulate root growth and pest control, blackstrap molasses for health and overall boost and BioBizz Light or All mix as the medium

GROW EQUIPMENT
A pH pen, EC pen (possibly with PPM read included) and also the proper liquids for the meters so they stay in commission for a long time, five 3 liter medium pots for LOTS AND LOTS OF ROOT GROW, a misting bottle for seedlings/cuttings/vegetation, propagation tray with humidity dome and heat tray for cuttings and seedlings before transplantation, 1 liter pitcher to give water and nutrients to the plants, rubbing alcohol to sterilizer most of the equipment, razor blade to take the cuttings with, scissors for trimming and fimming and rubber gloves so I don't contract anything nasty to the plants.

QUESTIONS I WISH YOU GUYS COULD GIVE ME ANSWERS TO PLEASE

Q: What kind of nutrient requirement does Purple Haze have? I don't want any deficiency surprises and would really like to take pre-emptive strike by providing all the necessary nutrients in the right PPM levels. Also what PPM levels should I have for this particular strain?

Q: Will my light setup give enough lumens for the plants or will they instead burn them? From the interwebs I found a calculator which gave me a rough number of 12000 lumens for 200 watts but it didn't have the option for ESL and instead showed what a CFL bulb would do, I know that the CFL bulb is an older generation of energy savers but I want to be sure about this...

Q: Should I use BioBizz All mix or Light mix for the grow? I intend to transplant the seedling in the to the medium after it has grown enough

newbuddy · May 1, 2015

Im following this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

moondance · May 1, 2015

Hey Brother thank for stopping in, For that space you may want to do a dry run test, lights on fans on, thermo on the floor and record the temp for like 8 hrs each hr on the hr, that will tell you your temps right there! The nutrient choice you have chosen I have not run but someone here sure has they will get with ya sometime today. Thank for growing MD.

MF-Wizard · May 1, 2015

moondance said:
Hey Brother thank for stopping in, For that space you may want to do a dry run test, lights on fans on, thermo on the floor and record the temp for like 8 hrs each hr on the hr, that will tell you your temps right there! The nutrient choice you have chosen I have not run but someone here sure has they will get with ya sometime today. Thank for growing MD.

Thanks for the advice! I haven't even thought about doing a dry run test. That's going to save some trouble and prevent some nasty surprises.

mickey oneil · May 1, 2015

MF-Wizard said:
So I'm gonna start my first grow in a couple of months as soon as I get my gear setup. If any of the experienced growers can answer my questions and possibly correct some mistakes I made on the setup plan, please let me know, I want my first grow as problem free as possible.

For my first time I'm thinking about growing Purple Haze from sensiseeds, I'm thinking about growing 5 plants and take cuttings from them late flower so I can do a clone grow next.

THE GROW BOX BUILD
I'm thinking about growing with a grow box the size of 60x60x120 cm (23x23x47 inches) with PAR+ reflective material, two 200 Watt ESL bulbs with the first bulb packing 6500 Kelvin light spectrum and for flowering I have 2700 Kelvin bulb of the same wattage in my shopping list (aluminium reflector included), inline fan with a mufller and an air duct connected to an activated carbon filter (possibly homemade), dehumidifier, temperature meter, hydrometer, two grow nets, bunch of string for LST and finally an oscillating fan for early veg to stimulate strong stem growth.

NUTRIENTS
Canna Terra Vega and Terra Flores for the main fertilizer, Canna PK (13-14???) to ensure healthy flowering, Cal-Mag to battle the two most common deficiencies, Maxi Crop liquid seaweed to stimulate root growth and pest control, blackstrap molasses for health and overall boost and BioBizz Light or All mix as the medium

GROW EQUIPMENT
A pH pen, EC pen (possibly with PPM read included) and also the proper liquids for the meters so they stay in commission for a long time, five 3 liter medium pots for LOTS AND LOTS OF ROOT GROW, a misting bottle for seedlings/cuttings/vegetation, propagation tray with humidity dome and heat tray for cuttings and seedlings before transplantation, 1 liter pitcher to give water and nutrients to the plants, rubbing alcohol to sterilizer most of the equipment, razor blade to take the cuttings with, scissors for trimming and fimming and rubber gloves so I don't contract anything nasty to the plants.

QUESTIONS I WISH YOU GUYS COULD GIVE ME ANSWERS TO PLEASE

Q: What kind of nutrient requirement does Purple Haze have? I don't want any deficiency surprises and would really like to take pre-emptive strike by providing all the necessary nutrients in the right PPM levels. Also what PPM levels should I have for this particular strain?

Q: Will my light setup give enough lumens for the plants or will they instead burn them? From the interwebs I found a calculator which gave me a rough number of 12000 lumens for 200 watts but it didn't have the option for ESL and instead showed what a CFL bulb would do, I know that the CFL bulb is an older generation of energy savers but I want to be sure about this...

Q: Should I use BioBizz All mix or Light mix for the grow? I intend to transplant the seedling in the to the medium after it has grown enough

I can tell you've def done your research... Kudos to you. I too was well prepared prior to my first grow. Did about 8 months of research and I probably still should have done more.

Why I'm saying this is because you're inevitably going to have issues...sometimes it's the genetics of the plant. But there is no doubt you will be prepared for whatever she throws at you (plus you have forums like these to bounce issues/ideas/successes off of) and I think you'll have a successful grow.

About the soil... It depends. All Mix will have all the nutes it will need for the first 3-5 weeks roughly. However, you might find its a bit hot for seedlings and young plants. I use FFOF and it's a bit hot for seedlings as well so I run a few gallons of water through it before planting to bring nute levels down.

I would at least start out with the light... You can always add nutes later; much less stressful on plants than having to flush nutes out.

Could maybe add rapid/dolomite lime and Epsom salt to your list. Maybe some perlite too.

I'm a newb too. About to harvest my first grow. Good luck... I'll have to watch this thread.

MF-Wizard · May 2, 2015

mickey oneil said:
I can tell you've def done your research... Kudos to you. I too was well prepared prior to my first grow. Did about 8 months of research and I probably still should have done more.

Why I'm saying this is because you're inevitably going to have issues...sometimes it's the genetics of the plant. But there is no doubt you will be prepared for whatever she throws at you (plus you have forums like these to bounce issues/ideas/successes off of) and I think you'll have a successful grow.

About the soil... It depends. All Mix will have all the nutes it will need for the first 3-5 weeks roughly. However, you might find its a bit hot for seedlings and young plants. I use FFOF and it's a bit hot for seedlings as well so I run a few gallons of water through it before planting to bring nute levels down.

I would at least start out with the light... You can always add nutes later; much less stressful on plants than having to flush nutes out.

Could maybe add rapid/dolomite lime and Epsom salt to your list. Maybe some perlite too.

I'm a newb too. About to harvest my first grow. Good luck... I'll have to watch this thread.

Thanks for the advice! I've been thinking about the nuts deficiency question and I'm gonna get cal-mag for calcium and magnesium, molasses

mickey oneil said:
I can tell you've def done your research... Kudos to you. I too was well prepared prior to my first grow. Did about 8 months of research and I probably still should have done more.

Why I'm saying this is because you're inevitably going to have issues...sometimes it's the genetics of the plant. But there is no doubt you will be prepared for whatever she throws at you (plus you have forums like these to bounce issues/ideas/successes off of) and I think you'll have a successful grow.

About the soil... It depends. All Mix will have all the nutes it will need for the first 3-5 weeks roughly. However, you might find its a bit hot for seedlings and young plants. I use FFOF and it's a bit hot for seedlings as well so I run a few gallons of water through it before planting to bring nute levels down.

I would at least start out with the light... You can always add nutes later; much less stressful on plants than having to flush nutes out.

Could maybe add rapid/dolomite lime and Epsom salt to your list. Maybe some perlite too.

I'm a newb too. About to harvest my first grow. Good luck... I'll have to watch this thread.

Thanks for the reply! I think I'm gonna go with BioBizz Light Mix since it does have less nutrients and perlite to the bottom of the container so the excess water will get through a little better. I also had thoughts about covering the medium surface with perlite so that larva and bugs have a harder time getting to the plant and roots. Thanks for tip dude! BTW, Really beautiful plant, hope you get dank stuff!

MF-Wizard · May 2, 2015

BUMB UPDATE!

I've done some extra research on Canna nutrients and have come closer to a more final plan of the nutrient concoction I'm gonna use for the plant.

VEGETATIVE PERIOD: I'm gonna give it Canna Terra Vega as the main fertilizer, either Rhizotonic or liquid seaweed to stimulate healthy root growth (whichever forum thinks works best), Cal-Mag for calsium and magnesium or Zeolite silica powder with calcium and potassium but from what I heard, Canna Terra line has a good amount of potassium to begin with and silica is already present in trace amounts either in the soil or the nutes so I'm bit on the fence about that one,.

FLOWERING PERIOD: after flushing I'm gonna the plant Canna Terra Flores as the main fert, PK 13-14 for weeks 5-7 as a boost, either blackstrap molasses or canna boost for flowering stimulation (probably going to give 2 plants Canna boost and 2 others molasses and the last plant both to see what works best for maximum budding and potency), Cannazyme for soil conditioning and assuring good health (might use it during vegetative period during 3 week or later to ensure good health).

*UPDATE EDIT*
The nutrient question will possibly be solved right after Canna responds my email and gives me the nutritional value chart of Canna Terra Vega & Flores so I can take precautions for nutrient deficiencies or switch brands, whichever is a more viable solution but I'm hoping to stick with Canna nutrients for this grow

I'm also going to get some baking soda in case white powdery mildew shows up to crash the party so I can kill that immediately with wet paper towels and then foliar feed or give it with the main feed or water to ensure the mildews departure to hell. BE WARNED MILDEW AND FUNGI! I'M NOT TAKING PRISONERS!

EDIT: Typo fix, update, cleaning the text a little

MF-Wizard · May 2, 2015

STRAIN INFO UPDATE! (NUTRIENT SPECULATION) (CLONING CONCLUSION) (SPEECH OF A SORT IN THE END)

I have decided to get Purple Haze 1# from Positronics since I have heard that this gives the near-psychedelic high and relaxing stoned feeling in the body. Also found out that this strain likes to stretch a lot and also gets 2-4 times stretch into flowering, also requires growing sticks or grow nets to support itself but luckily I have 2 nets in the plan and the oscillating fan to make the stem stronger (possibly during lights on so my electric bill doesn't go through the roof). Also I have theorized that Purple Haze 1# requires either less than other strains or then a tad bit more due to its size. I'm going to experiment with PPM levels of 200 as the lowest and 800 as the highest, treating 1200 PPM as the absolute limit since that might induce nute burn and/or I might be wasting the nutrients. The reasoning behind this comes from the possibility that Canna nutrients exaggerate the EC/PPM levels required for a good grow and therefore will treat the label numbers as the absolute limit. This strain also likes more water so I have come together with a feeding schedule of feed-water-water-feed or then feed-water-feed-water, this strain also grows a lot of roots so I'm thinking about buying 3.5 liter growing pots (0,9 us gallon) and for that I'm probably going to feed it Rhizotonic along side the fertilizer for the first couple of weeks of vegetative grow. I will probably induce flowering stage little bit before the pre-flowers show due to its size but that has not been decided yet because I have a bigger grow box than normal chosen for this grow.

As for the cloning, I have come to a conclusion of using Clonex gel for the cuttings to induce rooting, possibly rockwool as the medium or BioBizz Light mix or plain garden shop soil but I have high hopes for rockwool. Cuttings WILL be taken during LATE FLOWER so I have to give it the feed during late flower but this poses no other problem than that the harvest after drying will have more chlorophyll taste in it but the taste gets better after 2-4 weeks of curing. Give your thoughts about this and some hints if you got them.

I have also decided to share pictures of the grow and cloning process to this thread so I can share my knowledge with other newbies and offer sagely advice. I'm still taking advice here and hope that others visiting this thread share their collective knowledge for during this arduous quest I call my first grow.

EDIT: More info added, cleaned up the text a bit.

Merlot · May 2, 2015

I think you'll do just fine.

MF-Wizard · May 2, 2015

Merlot said:
I think you'll do just fine.

Thanks. I'm thinking that it'll all go swimmingly if all my theories are right on the money. I just want to be on the right side of things and not waste money and time in a botched grow. But thanks anyways, it's very reassuring to hear someone say that I'll do fine.

MF-Wizard · May 5, 2015

BUMB UPDATE! NEW GROW PLAN (HYDRO BUBBLEPONICS) (250-350 WATT LED) (SERIOUS YIELD)

Ok so I'm pretty much throwing away all prior planning to do a soil grow since I found out that to grow big quality yields that I would need bigger pots (around 18-30 liters which is 4-7 US gallons) and crap-ton more soil and I have dainty weak arms which cannot carry that many medium bags and I would pretty much struggle to carry only one bag...

NEW MASTER PLAN FOR WORLD DOM- I MEAN TO GROW POT

GROW BOX BUILD CHANGES
The grow box will be 120 x 60 x 160 cm in size (3"11 in x 1"11 in x 5"2 in).
I'm planning on buying 250-350 watt LED lamp for vegetation and flowering which does the same job as the metal halide and high pressure sodium lamps for less energy but cost like a motherfucker. This build will still have the dehumidifier, hydrometer, temperature meter, active carbon filter (possibly homemade but I'm possibly going to add a third scrog net if the forum thinks so.

GROW EQUIPMENT/HYDRO BUBBLEPONICS
I'm going to buy 5 black buckets which hold around 20 liters of water (5 US gallons) or I might buy bigger ones depending on their size, hydro rocks, net pots, 5-6 way drip manifold to soak the hydro rocks and roots, 5 air blocks to make dem bubbles, 5 decently sized net pots, rockwool as the seedling medium, an air pump and a water pump,

NUTRIENTS
Good thing I chose hydro bubbleponics for this op since I don't need that many nutes to work with. I'm going to go with general hydroponic trio since that gives me all the needed nutes on a fair price. I'm going to get some root bacterium as well to support healthy root grow but I'm pretty much going with top fed DWC guidelines show in growweedeasy website.

If the forum and visitors would like to give any advice considering the LEDS and nutrients, I'm all ears since this is the rough draft of the grow I'm planning.

rnint · May 5, 2015

Hey man you have a pretty well thought out plan here, I'm still on my first grow but there are a couple of things I thought i might mention just so that you know,
1) having 120cm height might get a bit annoying depending on how tall you are
2) hydroponics/bubbleponics can go wrong very quickly if things start to mess up so if you have a full time job or are a student you might want to think about using coco maybe as a sort of halfway point between soil and hydro so that you don't run the risk of coming home to a bunch of wrecked plants
3) Things don't always run to plan, don't plan everything so intensely that if some unseen problem arises you don't have any leeway to make it work
4) Don't put too much pressure on yourself your first grow man its great being able to just observe and learn without freaking out
Last but not least man enjoy yourself and keep your head down, i know how it feels when you finally get your seeds to pop it makes you want to tell all your mates and everything but yeah just keep it to the forums man you never know who might do something stupid in the future its best to just keep the risks down.

MF-Wizard · May 5, 2015

rnint said:
Hey man you have a pretty well thought out plan here, I'm still on my first grow but there are a couple of things I thought i might mention just so that you know,
1) having 120cm height might get a bit annoying depending on how tall you are
2) hydroponics/bubbleponics can go wrong very quickly if things start to mess up so if you have a full time job or are a student you might want to think about using coco maybe as a sort of halfway point between soil and hydro so that you don't run the risk of coming home to a bunch of wrecked plants
3) Things don't always run to plan, don't plan everything so intensely that if some unseen problem arises you don't have any leeway to make it work
4) Don't put too much pressure on yourself your first grow man its great being able to just observe and learn without freaking out
Last but not least man enjoy yourself and keep your head down, i know how it feels when you finally get your seeds to pop it makes you want to tell all your mates and everything but yeah just keep it to the forums man you never know who might do something stupid in the future its best to just keep the risks down.

Thanks for the advice. I'm pretty adamant about doing this with bubbleponics. From what I read, since most of the things are automated and what you really have to keep an eye on mostly is the reservoir water, which should be changed once or twice a week. Also since there are a lot of concentrates and bacteria enzyme solutions for roots, I will also avoid root rot and dead roots by giving some of dat sweet bacterium in the feed. I also noticed that this method saves a lot of money and after the first couple of weeks into vegetative growth, bubbleponic method becomes incredibly low maintenance and less time consuming if I take a little foresight. The only real issue will most likely occur during late vegetation when I have to change the reservoir water with different feed, which means I'll probably have to scrub the buckets or get extra set of dry ones for flowering. Also, the roots can survive for 15 minutes in air so changing the buckets will probably be a bitch but if its done in an orderly fashion, no major problems should occur

I don't think the size of the grow tent will be a problem as long it has enough lighting and the inline fan has enough power to make the daily air exchange. I made the decision to get LED lights since they have shown a lot of promise and today produce results like metal halide and HPS bulbs but they don't come cheap...

Anyway, thanks for posting and have a dank day!

MF-Wizard · May 7, 2015

BUMP UPDATE! LIGHTING REVISIT

Ok so I was looking at the price range of LED lights and I'm petrified at the price of decent LED grow lights. Most reliable LED lights that I have found that are suited for growing 5 plants are about 250-300 watts and price range goes from 300 to 600 dollaridoos....

So yeah, ESL AKA CFL lamps are back in my grow plan since they have 250 watt lamps for a much fair price and offer closely similar color spectrum. So I'm thinking of doing this grow with 250 watt ESL bulbs ONCE AGAIN cause I'm broke. I'm still adamant about using hydro bubbler as the base of the grow and I'm not going to change that due to the possibly higher yield and quality of the harvest so yeah I'm not re-inventing the wheel again at least.

I'm still pretty bummed out that I can't get LED's for this grow, since they show a lot of promise and have been proven to give increased yields and have a longer lifespan than other lighting instruments.

I still have a questions about ESL bulbs since I can't seem to find certain information online as easily as I initially thought.

Q: Can I get a decent yield with two 250 watt cfl bulbs?

Q: Should I use one or two bulbs during veg and flower or will I have to get more for 5 plants?

rnint · May 8, 2015

MF-Wizard said:
BUMP UPDATE! LIGHTING REVISIT

Ok so I was looking at the price range of LED lights and I'm petrified at the price of decent LED grow lights. Most reliable LED lights that I have found that are suited for growing 5 plants are about 250-300 watts and price range goes from 300 to 600 dollaridoos....

So yeah, ESL AKA CFL lamps are back in my grow plan since they have 250 watt lamps for a much fair price and offer closely similar color spectrum. So I'm thinking of doing this grow with 250 watt ESL bulbs ONCE AGAIN cause I'm broke. I'm still adamant about using hydro bubbler as the base of the grow and I'm not going to change that due to the possibly higher yield and quality of the harvest so yeah I'm not re-inventing the wheel again at least.

I'm still pretty bummed out that I can't get LED's for this grow, since they show a lot of promise and have been proven to give increased yields and have a longer lifespan than other lighting instruments.

I still have a questions about ESL bulbs since I can't seem to find certain information online as easily as I initially thought.

Q: Can I get a decent yield with two 250 watt cfl bulbs?

Q: Should I use one or two bulbs during veg and flower or will I have to get more for 5 plants?

CFL's will be good for veg but for flowering you should really try and get an HID bulb like an HPS or a MH bulb, its a bit of a pain because then you need a ballast but yeah CFL's probably won't get you a good yield and your going to have to spend money on your grow no matter what so you might as well make it worth while

and as for how many bulbs one 250W CFL would be fine for veg and one 250W HPS/MH would be fine for flower, if you want you can break up the lighting in veg with lots of smaller CFL's so that you can spread the light more easily but yeah I grew 5 plants through veg with a 250W CFL and it worked fine

MF-Wizard · May 19, 2015

rnint said:
CFL's will be good for veg but for flowering you should really try and get an HID bulb like an HPS or a MH bulb, its a bit of a pain because then you need a ballast but yeah CFL's probably won't get you a good yield and your going to have to spend money on your grow no matter what so you might as well make it worth while

and as for how many bulbs one 250W CFL would be fine for veg and one 250W HPS/MH would be fine for flower, if you want you can break up the lighting in veg with lots of smaller CFL's so that you can spread the light more easily but yeah I grew 5 plants through veg with a 250W CFL and it worked fine

Thanks for the tip and sorry for being away from the thread for some time.

I've decided to get either a 90 watt led or 120 watt and maybe 2 more cfl bulbs for extra boost. I'm adamant about not getting HID lamps since LEDs do incredibly well and they are perfect for indoor grows. I've been studying LEDs like crazy and it's now a permanent part of my grow plan. As for the hydro bubbler plans, I have decided to do extra research on the matter and make another bumb update soon.

MF-Wizard · Oct 1, 2015

New grow plan and thread here: http://rollitup.org/t/first-grow-thread-dwc-600w-hps-gh-nutes-stealth-homemade-grow-box-barneys-farm-lsd.885690/

Sry for being gone so long

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