Gorilla Bubble from Tonygreens Tortured Beans

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akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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tonygreen said:
Every few months I google around and check up f there is any GB stuff I'm missing.
Apparently their is tons of it ha! Our girl is getting around. Anyone on IG? I want to ht this chick up and see where she got that GB.

@misscannabiscourtney says she got some 27% GB.

http://www.imgrum.net/media/13386478...143_2044317749

Wonder if its the real :)
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Somebody asked her where she got it from she didn't say anything yet. Be nice to know if it was real looks like some nice nugs
 
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Alright well I took a trip to the seed pop, down to the final 20 now.

It has also become apparent from my notes and generational observations that a unique trait has been identified. The BX3 helps confirms my suspicions of linkage to the dominant more gg4 homozygous phenotype. I am naming this trait G5 since it is confirmed in the 5th generation of work.

We first saw the g5 trait appear in my winner of testing the bx2.
She is bonzaied out and raggedy now so forgive her condition. You might remember the pics I posted. Here is the bx2 manifestation of the g5 trait.

Here is the g5 trait manifesting on the dominant glue phenos in bx3.
I got some pics of the tops as well so you can see how the emerging sets have such clear separation from each other. The hybrid phenos and sour b leaners will have thicker closer or overlapping fans progressively.

An easy way to observe the g5 trait is topping early, you will see one side of nodes throw 2 branches. I have only seen this on the highest quality dominant glue phenotypes. It appears to be an identifier of the dominant lateral branching glue phenotype in the more homozygous forms.

G5 is not the a result of a FIM. It is not fasciation either.

Frea-kaaay right? ha!

If anyone runs across this g5 trait please post pics, I want to try to get some more notes on the phenos it appears on, I popped a shitload and havent seen it on a non glue leaner yet.
Let's see, lots of beans out there here.

bx2 g5.JPG g5.JPG g5indentifier.JPG g5indentify.JPG g5tops.JPG g5topset.JPG top g5 (2).JPG top g5.JPG traitg5.JPG upperg5.JPG
 
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Im only seeing it on the pure glue dom phenos. It appears to be a representation of the gg4 lateral branching trait in homozygous form. :)
Hopin you guys can keep an eye out to see if it shows on only glue dom phenos in the bx3 or if it appears on a sour b leaner.

Ive ran through several hundred selecting and only on glue dom so far. Much more prevalent in the bx3 than bx2.

See those emerging leaf sets? That is the clear space between the distinct curling curvy fingers you want if you are looking for a glue dom plant. Hybrid phenos will have less space and pure sour b recessive phenos will have fat overlapping leaves.

You can see the trichs developing already in some pics, hairy stinky bitches lol.
 
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Long term plans...

The intial goals Dan and I have been met, you can find phenos we were looking for in many of the side lines I created bx1f1 etc. Dan wanted a glue pheno with more structure, I wanted a sour bubble with vigor unlocked. You can find both of those easily in many of the side branches of the family. The terpene profile of the gg4 is easy to find in any plant in a pack basically.

Going forward with my studies the goals have increased.
You cannot stabilize a genotype with back crossing alone.
After I obtain the RIL, it is possible to stabilize the genome completely within roughly 11 generations or so.
If I get to that point I will still be under 50 years old and believe I will have a p-1 pool to make supreme F1's that will be unmatched. People hold on to their homozygous lines, if you want one you have to basically make your own... I, like many am tired of watered down F1's. A true F1 made with two distinct stable lines can potentially blow random poly hybrid f1's out of the water.
So it is all work with the eye for the future dude.

There are a few bx3's I made and I am selecting for the bx4 now.
Then onto working the other NIL I need. I have one at bx1...
Ideally I would like several NIL to work with toward the RIL project.

It will be some time, much work to do, might not ever get there... In the meantime these bx lines are truly made for outcrossing and providing keeper cuts, they will combine exceptionally well and make supreme F1's, a side benefit of the work in the meantime.

Also to comment on the negative side affects of inbreeding. I believe these can be minimized with proper selection. To be sure their is some mutants, the recessive phenos have decreased every bx.
But the dominant phenos maintain vigor really well. One of my vigor tests is a topping test where I judge many responses to topping. I think this has allowed the line to remain vigorous.
The two main overall phenos (glue dom/sour b dom/recessive) are easy to pick out from seedling at this point.
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eastcoastmo

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tonygreen said:
Long term plans...

The intial goals Dan and I have been met, you can find phenos we were looking for in many of the side lines I created bx1f1 etc. Dan wanted a glue pheno with more structure, I wanted a sour bubble with vigor unlocked. You can find both of those easily in many of the side branches of the family. The terpene profile of the gg4 is easy to find in any plant in a pack basically.

Going forward with my studies the goals have increased.
You cannot stabilize a genotype with back crossing alone.
After I obtain the RIL, it is possible to stabilize the genome completely within roughly 11 generations or so.
If I get to that point I will still be under 50 years old and believe I will have a p-1 pool to make supreme F1's that will be unmatched. People hold on to their homozygous lines, if you want one you have to basically make your own... I, like many am tired of watered down F1's. A true F1 made with two distinct stable lines can potentially blow random poly hybrid f1's out of the water.
So it is all work with the eye for the future dude.

There are a few bx3's I made and I am selecting for the bx4 now.
Then onto working the other NIL I need. I have one at bx1...
Ideally I would like several NIL to work with toward the RIL project.

It will be some time, much work to do, might not ever get there... In the meantime these bx lines are truly made for outcrossing and providing keeper cuts, they will combine exceptionally well and make supreme F1's, a side benefit of the work in the meantime.

Also to comment on the negative side affects of inbreeding. I believe these can be minimized with proper selection. To be sure their is some mutants, the recessive phenos have decreased every bx.
But the dominant phenos maintain vigor really well. One of my vigor tests is a topping test where I judge many responses to topping. I think this has allowed the line to remain vigorous.
The two main overall phenos (glue dom/sour b dom/recessive) are easy to pick out from seedling at this point.
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Wow man, so great to hear what your goals are with your project. Many breeders just want to be the hit with the strain of the day where you want to create a P1 for others, I really admire that. Hopefully I'm still around to witness it all and use your P1 to breed with. I intend on utilising the BB GB to do some future work with as well, aiming more for the SB leaners to outcross. I wish you all the best mate, you are almost halfway there and I look forward to seeing your results!!
 
eastcoastmo

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tonygreen said:
Cross away, please do! The beauty is as we move along to the main goal we still have some nice inbred work to play with.

Try asking breeders to release their homozygous breeding material, I have, they're generally like fuck you nicely or not so nicely, haha!
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Thanks man, will do. I'll be sure to credit your work along the way :)

LOL, a lot of breeders out there today wouldn't know a homozygous strain if they fell over it, let alone release it for people ha ha.
 
Stonironi

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eastcoastmo said:
And we all appreciate it mate :)

I agree, first time I grew blueberry back in the late 90's all the plants looked identical and grew so vigorously!
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Yeah those were the days lol now you get a ten pack with ten different phenos haha. Tony reminds of a person who cares about other things than the quick buck ! Your reputation will live on sir ! That in itself is something to be very proud of these days !! Great work. Even though I don't understand all the jargon with the crosses ( NIL) ?lol :roll: you are doing it the right way !
 
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eastcoastmo

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Stonironi said:
Yeah those were the days lol now you get a ten pack with ten different phenos haha. Tony reminds of a person who cares about other things than the quick buck ! Your reputation will live on sir ! That in itself is something to be very proud of these days !! Great work. Even though I don't understand all the jargon with the crosses you are doing it the right way
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Agreed mate. I still have a few bb beans from back then too, going to get to them eventually and see what they have!
You're right too, Tony's rep will live on strong...just like the force :)
 
digging

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I really don't understand the terminology of bx's vs f1's vs bxf1's.

What can we look forward to in the bx3 vs bx2?

And when you finish the bx4, how different will the bx4 be to the bx3 ?

From a fan's perspective of what you are doing, will the bx4 be the big end prize, and how ultimately will the bx4 be in comparison to the GG#4 clone ?

Also each GB back cross you are creating, are you being successful in getting the stronger structure people desire the GG4 to have ?

Thanks.
 
PerroVerde

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digging said:
I really don't understand the terminology of bx's vs f1's vs bxf1's.

What can we look forward to in the bx3 vs bx2?

And when you finish the bx4, how different will the bx4 be to the bx3 ?

From a fan's perspective of what you are doing, will the bx4 be the big end prize, and how ultimately will the bx4 be in comparison to the GG#4 clone ?

Also each GB back cross you are creating, are you being successful in getting the stronger structure people desire the GG4 to have ?

Thanks.
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Bx1 = f1 crossed back to one of its parents.
Bx1f1 = the first sibling cross of the Bx

Or this is at least my understanding of things... :)
 
Stonironi

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digging said:
I really don't understand the terminology of bx's vs f1's vs bxf1's.

What can we look forward to in the bx3 vs bx2?

And when you finish the bx4, how different will the bx4 be to the bx3 ?

From a fan's perspective of what you are doing, will the bx4 be the big end prize, and how ultimately will the bx4 be in comparison to the GG#4 clone ?

Also each GB back cross you are creating, are you being successful in getting the stronger structure people desire the GG4 to have ?

Thanks.
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That strain is 2 monster house strains crossed!! You cannot go wrong with any of them !
 
Stonironi

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digging said:
I really don't understand the terminology of bx's vs f1's vs bxf1's.

What can we look forward to in the bx3 vs bx2?

And when you finish the bx4, how different will the bx4 be to the bx3 ?

From a fan's perspective of what you are doing, will the bx4 be the big end prize, and how ultimately will the bx4 be in comparison to the GG#4 clone ?

Also each GB back cross you are creating, are you being successful in getting the stronger structure people desire the GG4 to have ?

Thanks.
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If you have time read back about the last 8 pages of this thread and Tony explains all of what you are asking .
 
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