Got these from ann arbor michigan. Hit up bud trader michigan. Look under clones. They didnt have a ton of clones. I got 2 small, very small clones. But they r not "free".....more like $160 for a tiny one and $275 for a normal 5" clone. Its the only place I know of. And another thing. The branches on the #4 dont grow very hardy. It needs some tupe of stem/pland silicone addative for the stem to strengthen the stem stalk. I would've loved a free cut. But now the greed is started. Atleast they r not saturating the area"]yeah Nurse Nancy I don't think so either I talk to him he said they were in a tote somebody left behind and they were in the cups!!! I Thought I lucked up on the GG#4 So I Guess The Hunt Continues!!!