Got 1.5 trillion to spare?

CrackerJax said:

Clinton left us with a war. Wars are expensive.

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One could argue that it was Bush Sr who passed that "war" onto Clinton (if there was a "war", which there wasn't). Of course this argument would be totally lost on you, so one will just present it hypothetically.

You just can't make the argument...... about anything.

I implore you to seek out sources of information that aren't GOP propaganda. Why did Al Queda and the taliban declare jihad on America? Because Clinton cut off the aid we'd been sending them, because it was clear to him that they were our enemy. Why were we sending aid to our enemy? That's a good question, but you'll have to ask a Bush.

Like I said, you can't make an argument.

doobnVA said:

I implore you to seek out sources of information that aren't GOP propaganda. Why did Al Queda and the taliban declare jihad on America? Because Clinton cut off the aid we'd been sending them, because it was clear to him that they were our enemy. Why were we sending aid to our enemy? That's a good question, but you'll have to ask a Bush.

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I would implore you to seek out information that isn't Democratic/liberal propaganda.

BTW you would have to ask Reagan about aid to the middle east.

NoDrama said:

I would implore you to seek out information that isn't Democratic/liberal propaganda.

BTW you would have to ask Reagan about aid to the middle east.

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Reagan aided Afghanistan because they were fighting our enemy, Russia. In other words, because the enemy of our enemy is our "friend". After Russia withdrew and Afghanistan was left in ruins, we did very little to help them rebuild - before this, there was no taliban, so we couldn't have possibly been aiding them.

Once the taliban was in power, we gave them more aid to combat the opium trade (yeah, they're real humanitarians aren't they?). I believe GB Sr. was in office around the time we realized they were actually the bad guys, but he continued to send aid anyway. Then, Clinton took office and (rightly) cut off funding to the taliban. Of course, cutting of their US funding didn't reduce their power. Clinton definitely could have done more to stop them from taking nearly complete control of Afghanistan - but at least he can honestly say he didn't send aid to terrorists.

Doob consistently shows he doesn't understand global politics.

doobnVA said:

Clinton definitely could have done more to stop them from taking nearly complete control of Afghanistan - but at least he can honestly say he didn't send aid to terrorists.

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Sure he didn't send physical aid to them, but his response to the USS Cole incident acts as a microcosm for his whole presidency - He did nothing, except for showing America how good he is at exploding on a dress.

I think doob is a She, am I correct?

Naivete knows no gender limitations.

fdd2blk said:

how much does it cost to fund a war? =-/

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I thought we were still funding that war.

Oh well so much for the "there's an oil man in the white-house" theory.

Besides the 1.5 trillion was to "fix" the economy, so "war" has nothing to do with this discussion

A little something from Bill Bonner over at the daily reckoning.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And now, the United States staggers under the weight of its eternal wars...its imperial illusions...and its everlasting efforts to provide bread and circuses. If it kept its books like a private enterprise, it would be broke. If it were a public corporation, it would be De-listed.[/FONT]
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Take away the "Great Society" failed experiment and the Obama administration & Congress, and the numbers start to become very reasonable. Most of our debt obligations stem from these two entities.

CrackerJax said:

Take away the "Great Society" failed experiment and the Obama administration & Congress, and the numbers start to become very reasonable. Most of our debt obligations stem from these two entities.

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Absolutely, Johnson started this whole socialism spending gig again after we had some fiscally responsible presidents for a good amount of time after FDR.

Real misery comes on real slow and steady. The real cow pies have not been stepped in yet.

Everyone will be completely surprised.... again.

Gold has hit an all time high of $1,033 .

Gee, Obama must be doing something right huh!!?? Where's the dollar again???

Thank gawd i already went into euros.

Gold at $1,043 and it aint even noon yet.

Obama has announced his new GOLD stimulus package. it is guaranteed to wreck the price of GOLD !!!

LOL Yeah I would have to sell all my holdings if Obama Actually said that.