Got me some azomite..

Kush Killington · Oct 24, 2014

Sooo i bought some azomite hoping that it cud replace my earthjuice microblast (and provide a complete array of mircos) but the label only has 6 minerals listed:
K2O - .2%
Ca - 1.8%
Mg - .5%
Cl - .1%
Co - .002%
Na - .1%
Derived from volcanic ashes.
I assume the rest are just to small in amount to be listed?

Basically, can azomite effectively replace ALL my micro nutrient needs (aside cal/mg for which i have.. GO cal/mag)? I was planning to brew it in a AACT of Reverse osmosis water with some Blue Moutain Organics Super Plant Tonic and some of Roots organic Trinity for my mothers/clones.
If so, at what rate per gal should i add the azomite (its powdered) ?
Or would i be better off jus top dressing my pots? Rate?

Thanks

Sir KK

Edit: Cal/Mg are secondaries, not micro

Pattahabi · Oct 24, 2014

Azomite is junk imo. It's alumuniosilicate clay. Buy some basalt, granite, or GRD for minerals. 4c per cu ft. Hopefully there is a tea therad on this site which will point you in the right direction. Look for microbemans instructions.

Peace!
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Moldy · Oct 24, 2014

I use it as a top dressing when I switch/transplant to flowering. 1-2 tablespoons mixed into the top layer of dirt. I'm not sure how much good it does but it makes me feel cozy inside. lol

greasemonkeymann · Oct 24, 2014

Moldy said:
I use it as a top dressing when I switch/transplant to flowering. 1-2 tablespoons mixed into the top layer of dirt. I'm not sure how much good it does but it makes me feel cozy inside. lol

if it makes you cozy, then go for it man, life is short, coziness is nice.

greasemonkeymann · Oct 24, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Azomite is junk imo. It's alumuniosilicate clay. Buy some basalt, granite, or GRD for minerals. 4c per cu ft. Hopefully there is a tea therad on this site which will point you in the right direction. Look for microbemans instructions.

Peace!
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why don't you like azomite, Pat? I did a bunch of research on it prior to purchasing a bag, whats not to like? and I like it as a mix in my minerals.

Kush Killington · Oct 24, 2014

Ndeed. Ill look into microbeman.
No ones tried to brew ghis stuff as a powder?! Lol

Sir KK

Pattahabi · Oct 24, 2014

greasemonkeymann said:
why don't you like azomite, Pat? I did a bunch of research on it prior to purchasing a bag, whats not to like? and I like it as a mix in my minerals.

I don't like azomite for a the low diversity of elements.Take a look at the attached image. The first column is Gaia Green GRD, second is azomite, third is Basalt.

Peace!
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greasemonkeymann · Oct 24, 2014

Pattahabi said:
I don't like azomite for a the low diversity of elements.Take a look at the attached image. The first column is Gaia Green GRD, second is azomite, third is Basalt.

View attachment 3279902

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that's why I asked! Good info, on looking at that chart, there are some big differences, one of the reasons I like to use my 4-cups per cubic foot in a mix of greensand, azomite, rock phosphates, and oyster sheel dust.
Besides, the bag I have is almost empty.
I do need to start adding basalt though...
So looks like the only advantage would be the speck more of silica, and potassium?
Oh and the obvious and SUPER crucial element of Rubidium...can forget about that one!
I thought it had higher amounts of mag.

Pattahabi · Oct 24, 2014

greasemonkeymann said:
that's why I asked! Good info, on looking at that chart, there are some big differences, one of the reasons I like to use my 4-cups per cubic foot in a mix of greensand, azomite, rock phosphates, and oyster sheel dust.
Besides, the bag I have is almost empty.
I do need to start adding basalt though...
So looks like the only advantage would be the speck more of silica, and potassium?
Oh and the obvious and SUPER crucial element of Rubidium...can forget about that one!
I thought it had higher amounts of mag.

Keep in mind you want more actual rock dust. Azomite and SRP are clay, and oyster shell is more for liming. I've not done much research on greensand.

You do not remineralize after each round.

Peace!
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Ace Yonder · Oct 26, 2014

Pattahabi said:
I don't like azomite for a the low diversity of elements.Take a look at the attached image. The first column is Gaia Green GRD, second is azomite, third is Basalt.

View attachment 3279902

Peace!
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I'm confused... You don't like Azomite because it lacks diversity of minerals, but recommended GRD... According to that chart the Azomite it substantially more diverse than the GRD, and is comparable to the Basalt. The color coding is also sort of misleading and doesn't really seem to relate to the actual top measurement. At first I thought they had highlighted the top levels with green, but the COBP is greened in areas where it contains less than Azomite as well as areas it contains more. And it's not that those are bad things and it is green because it has less of them either, because on some of them it is the middle value, with GG containing even less, and if it was bad then the GG would be greened. Where did you get that chart from?

Ace Yonder · Oct 26, 2014

This is the Azomite analysis I found. It includes quite a bit of stuff that the other chart left out

Pattahabi · Oct 26, 2014

Ace Yonder said:
I'm confused... You don't like Azomite because it lacks diversity of minerals, but recommended GRD... According to that chart the Azomite it substantially more diverse than the GRD, and is comparable to the Basalt. The color coding is also sort of misleading and doesn't really seem to relate to the actual top measurement. At first I thought they had highlighted the top levels with green, but the COBP is greened in areas where it contains less than Azomite as well as areas it contains more. And it's not that those are bad things and it is green because it has less of them either, because on some of them it is the middle value, with GG containing even less, and if it was bad then the GG would be greened. Where did you get that chart from?

I like Basalt and Granite better then Azomite and GRD, period. If you had to use azomite or GRD you could, but basalt and granite are better.

The list came from Central Oregon Basalt Products (COBP). I would ask regarding your azomite list how much gold and silver plants uptake? Are these essential elements? What are we really looking for in a rock dust component? If it were me, I'd be most interested in boron (B), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), chloride (Cl), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo) and zinc (Zn).

Peace!
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Kush Killington · Oct 26, 2014

Pattahabi said:
I would ask regarding your azomite list how much gold and silver plants uptake? Are these essential elements? What are we really looking for in a rock dust component? If it were me, I'd be most interested in boron (B), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), chloride (Cl), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo) and zinc (Zn).

Peace!
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In my experience, girls like shiny things so im sure even female plants want some gold and silver too

maybe some powdered diamonds too. Haha.
Serious thou, even if they aren't essential elements, there must be something extra the plants are liking in basalt/azomite etc. beyond the usual list of micros. Though i have no proof. Perhaps a side by side test using just the require minerals vs azomite (or other mineral rock/salt dust).
Im willing to bet jus like silica that there is other micro nutes you cud increase the ppms of and see results. Not a scientist thou so i wudnt know how to narrow it down to a specific micro nute without a lot of work lol

Sir KK

Pattahabi · Oct 26, 2014

Kush Killington said:
In my experience, girls like shiny things so im sure even female plants want some gold and silver too maybe some powdered diamonds too. Haha.
Serious thou, even if they aren't essential elements, there must be something extra the plants are liking in basalt/azomite etc. beyond the usual list of micros. Though i have no proof. Perhaps a side by side test using just the require minerals vs azomite (or other mineral rock/salt dust).
Im willing to bet jus like silica that there is other micro nutes you cud increase the ppms of and see results. Not a scientist thou so i wudnt know how to narrow it down to a specific micro nute without a lot of work lol

Sir KK

I totally agree about the plants needing more then the basic elements we associate with plant growth. I haven't looked that close at every element, but I'd be willing to bet both basalt and granite have comparable and most likely better numbers on most of those elements. I do need to be doing more digging on the subject for other reasons, so I'll try and post up what I find.

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Pattahabi · Oct 26, 2014

Also, keep this in mind:

http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/kelp.html

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Kush Killington · Oct 26, 2014

Wow i didnt know kelp was like that! Thats pretty amazing lol. Everyone should know this!
Im gonna have to read up on that. And do some more research on minerals. I try to be very exact with my nutes so itll be interesting to see how plants react with or without things.
Experimenting is fun

Id love to read anything yu dig up as well. Im sure others would appreciate it too

Sir KK

Ace Yonder · Oct 26, 2014

Pattahabi said:
I like Basalt and Granite better then Azomite and GRD, period. If you had to use azomite or GRD you could, but basalt and granite are better.

The list came from Central Oregon Basalt Products (COBP). I would ask regarding your azomite list how much gold and silver plants uptake? Are these essential elements? What are we really looking for in a rock dust component? If it were me, I'd be most interested in boron (B), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), chloride (Cl), manganese (Mn), molybdenum (Mo) and zinc (Zn).

Peace!
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I would initially point out that the levels of those elements are pretty evenly devided between Azomite and Basalt.
Basalt has higher levels of Cu, Fe, ZN, Mn, Azomite has more Mo, Cl, an B, K2O, and Silica. As a matter of fact, Basalt doesn't contain ANY Boron, while Azomite does, so if Boron is important to you that would put Azomite ahead of the pack IMO.

Pattahabi · Oct 27, 2014

Ace Yonder said:
I would initially point out that the levels of those elements are pretty evenly devided between Azomite and Basalt.
Basalt has higher levels of Cu, Fe, ZN, Mn, Azomite has more Mo, Cl, an B, K2O, and Silica. As a matter of fact, Basalt doesn't contain ANY Boron, while Azomite does, so if Boron is important to you that would put Azomite ahead of the pack IMO.

Pretty evenly divided is subjective.

Basalt has:
Magnesium - 460%
Sulfur - 250%
Maganese - 1350%
Iron Oxide - 1007%
Cobalt - 143%
Copper - 375%
Zinc - 217%

Azomite has:
Molybdenum - 126%
boron - I don't see on the list?
Clorine - are you worried about enough of this in your soil?

But to each their own, I'll be using basalt or granite. They are also paramagnetic if you are into that field of soil science.

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Nullis · Oct 27, 2014

Chlorine is still an essential element, probably more so than Si or the more exotic minerals. Remember elemental or ionic chlorine is different than say hypochlorous acid, or chloramines.

What's wrong with using both? Extra potassium is usually a good thing.

Pattahabi · Oct 27, 2014

Nullis said:
Chlorine is still an essential element, probably more so than Si or the more exotic minerals. Remember elemental or ionic chlorine is different than say hypochlorous acid, or chloramines.

What's wrong with using both? Extra potassium is usually a good thing.

I would not go out and buy azomite to make sure I have enough Chlorine in my soil, but that's just me.

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