VIANARCHRIS
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Not true...but they didn't ask me yet.neither does anyone else for that matter
"Government will not appeal the Allard medical pot ruling" Philpott
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WHATFG
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I've just got to throw this in the ring because it is a concern of mine...it's wonderful that patients are allowed to grow...my guess is that you're going to have to own the place you grow in...the government can't tell a landlord that they have to allow anyone to grow...this has to do with insurance as well....tenant pkg with a growing option? how likely is that?
VIANARCHRIS
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I'm sure that's going to be the sticking point for a lot of people, but you're right, landlords can't be forced to permit grows. An all-in-one grow box may be a way around that...maybe? Outdoors needs to be an option...anyone can afford to put seeds in the ground and add water. I'd like to see cooperatives form to lease space for multiple patients' gardens both indoor and outside or maybe huge greenhouses. I could grow enough in the summer on a plot of land to last me all year...and I reduce my carbon footprint ( and the hit on my wallet) substantially at the same time. Most prefer to grow indoors, but as a former gardener, I enjoy growing in nature, I just wish I could do it year round. Now that the world has woken up to the fact that cannabis is medicine and not the 'devil's weed', there needs to be a whole new rethink on the attitude around growing.
but......what about the children?
VIANARCHRIS
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Let 'em get their own weed!
TheRealDman
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I've been saying this from the beginning, MMJ grows will have to be properly inspected/insured. That is the only way to address the hypothetical "public safety risks". The good news is that MMJ insurance will be here in a couple of months, at least for former MMAR peeps covered by the injunction.
I'm sure coverage will be extended to MMPR folks who decide to grow when the time comes.
no one is coming in to inspect you tomatoes....
no INS cares about a light in your house that is approved.
Seems funny to think an inspection has to be done when installing HID futures in a home...??
It's never inspected after installation and it's done every day!
INS covers all electrical devices that are approved and installed accordingly....period.
If you don't know what you are doing or cant watch a you tube video on wiring 101, you may need an electrician to do the work, IF you need a new branch circuit.
But then, you can take the permit out yourself ...have it inspected in your home and not need a certified electrician to do anything.
Just sayin
no INS cares about a light in your house that is approved.
Seems funny to think an inspection has to be done when installing HID futures in a home...??
It's never inspected after installation and it's done every day!
INS covers all electrical devices that are approved and installed accordingly....period.
If you don't know what you are doing or cant watch a you tube video on wiring 101, you may need an electrician to do the work, IF you need a new branch circuit.
But then, you can take the permit out yourself ...have it inspected in your home and not need a certified electrician to do anything.
Just sayin
That would be equal to 5 grams s day using the mmar plant count calculator. Seeing as the average patient needs 18 gpd limiting everyone to 25 plants would be grounds for another lawsuit. If goldstars doesn't get stayed it will deal with this point of contention.
Wiring was easy. 220? Easy. 110? Easy. Just do your research and plan your wiring out and don't try to put to much draw on any breaker, wiring and you're fine. Upgrade if needed why risk it.no one is coming in to inspect you tomatoes....
no INS cares about a light in your house that is approved.
Seems funny to think an inspection has to be done when installing HID futures in a home...??
It's never inspected after installation and it's done every day!
INS covers all electrical devices that are approved and installed accordingly....period.
If you don't know what you are doing or cant watch a you tube video on wiring 101, you may need an electrician to do the work, IF you need a new branch circuit.
But then, you can take the permit out yourself ...have it inspected in your home and not need a certified electrician to do anything.
Just sayin
I didnt know but educated myself and everything went fine. People are afraid to try it themselves. It's straight forward really as you know.it's when you don't know...that things go frying right out the window
JungleStrikeGuy
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/medical-marijuana-grow-allard-philpott-no-appeal-1.3506015 , in particular 'The minister would not say whether the revised rules would allow patients to grow their own after that time' (Time being the injunction expiry / August deadline).
This isn't about 'having a plan ready at day 1', this is a simple, yes or no question, 'Will home growing be included in the amendments'. Don't conflate the two.
I would be interested to read Philpott's comments about the right to die legislation though, does anyone have a link?
torontomeds
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You all are putting way too much thought into this topic, none of you see the silver lining? None of it matters. Why you ask? because of a few reasons, but I will say 2 of them.
- It will be legal sooner then later
- if you have a medical reason/grow, no matter what they say as long as you are not trafficking / selling they will not fuck with you.
if they came back and said 25 plants lets say, and say you need 70 plants, 2 things come into play, (unless they start inspecting every grow, impossible) you can still grow your 70 plants because who the fuck is going to know or care, second factor is if someone did care it would only be an infraction kind of like when a corporate company dumps toxic waste and gets off with a fine. If you have a true need for your 70 plants (lets say Cancer) you think a judged is going to jail you for having 45 plants over the "Limit"?
Not to mention my first point, it will be legal soon, police eventually will stop chasing this type of shit, unless you pop up on some cops radar as a trafficker who the fucking is going to know or care what your doing to help your self get better.
At the end of the day none of this shit matters, we won, they are re working the system as we speak, things will change, over time this will be a moot issue. It is not just about the non Cannabis/opposition changing, but also people in our community changing, if you want respect in the world you have to earn it, and you do not earn it by bitching and complaining and fantasizing about potential conspiracy.
- It will be legal sooner then later
- if you have a medical reason/grow, no matter what they say as long as you are not trafficking / selling they will not fuck with you.
if they came back and said 25 plants lets say, and say you need 70 plants, 2 things come into play, (unless they start inspecting every grow, impossible) you can still grow your 70 plants because who the fuck is going to know or care, second factor is if someone did care it would only be an infraction kind of like when a corporate company dumps toxic waste and gets off with a fine. If you have a true need for your 70 plants (lets say Cancer) you think a judged is going to jail you for having 45 plants over the "Limit"?
Not to mention my first point, it will be legal soon, police eventually will stop chasing this type of shit, unless you pop up on some cops radar as a trafficker who the fucking is going to know or care what your doing to help your self get better.
At the end of the day none of this shit matters, we won, they are re working the system as we speak, things will change, over time this will be a moot issue. It is not just about the non Cannabis/opposition changing, but also people in our community changing, if you want respect in the world you have to earn it, and you do not earn it by bitching and complaining and fantasizing about potential conspiracy.
JungleStrikeGuy
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Yep. Pretty much this is all I and others are saying, and 'well let's cross our fingers! if anything bad happens we'll worry about it later!' is the most dangerous line of thinking. Now is the time to contact HC, Justice and the PMO to voice your opinion, not after.
And just for clarification on some things that are just not true:
-If no MMAR was enacted, that does not 'declare the constitution void'. Simply, the laws around cannabis would have been declared of no force and effect.
-Canada is the most sued country under NAFTA, and has been sued successfully in the past for both money and to reverse a decision to ban a dangerous chemical. TPP ISDS (Investor State Dispute Settlement) is about 200x worse, so yes, a foreign corporation can sue Canada for laws that it passes as a sovereign country. The whole agenda at the heart of the Obamatrade trio (TPP/TISA/TTIP) is for corporations to be able to overrule sovereign nations in secret tribunals where corporate lawyers are the judges. http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/10/23/naftas-isds-why-canada-one-most-sued-countries-world
The dangerous chemical I mentioned is the gasoline additive MMT, and the ban was overturned in addition to paying Ethyl 13 million. This is kind of getting off on a tangent though, and my point with regard to the importance of the Allard precedent is just that it was decided at a federal, not SCoC level.
So the tl;dr is that making objective criticism based on what the government says is not 'paranoia'. Ignore government communications and assume everything is going to work out fine because reasons at your own peril.
TheRealDman
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And there is your risk that needs to be covered. Not everyone is an electrical whiz. Go ask your insurance company what they think of you growing say 50 tomato plants under 4k of HID...you make be shocked at their response! Just for shits and giggles, make sure you tell them you did all the wiring yourself!it's when you don't know...that things go frying right out the window
Bottom line.....AGAIN, there are no standard insurance companies that cover MMJ...safe or not. Lloyds is the only company with current MMJ policies, and will be the ONLY one to offer new MMJ policies.
Just because something is legal does not make it possible for you to force insurance companies to issue coverage. For example, lots of insurance companies will not insure houses worth more than $1M, other insurance companies will not insure cars over $100k, or have a 25 year old min age requirement...others will not insure houses with old knob and tube electrical wiring, or lead plumbing pipes, or septic systems more than 30 years old...the list goes on dude.
torontomeds
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The thing about that plant count calculator, is we all can agree that it is very flawed.
Someone said in this thread said they need 18 grams a day, so lets run some math.
18 Grams Per day x 365 days = 6570 divided by 448 Grams in a # = 14.6 pounds per year
2 x 600w = 3#'s per run x 5 runs in a year = 15#
(for added fun) lets say its 120 a month to run a 1200 hydroponic system x that by 12 months = 1440 divided by 15# = 96$ per pound ( for electrical cost.) Once you add in nutes and other BS (not including start up cost) you can probably get it to about 110$ per pound
We all know that no limit was set on wattage or floor space in the MMAR, and we know that you can get 1-2 pounds a light and we also know you can get 2 - 3 pounds per plant in the right set up. If we want to have a real discussion then it should be about floor space x wattage because plant count is to vague. I can grow you 14 pounds a year in a tent with 2 600 watt lights and like 4-8 plants per light, but I can also fill the same space up with 50 plants in rockwool and achieve the same yield, I can also take the same 50 plants and grow 100 Pounds in a massive indoor grow room so plant count is sort of moot. Anyways I am sure you craft guys out here will make it work.