londonfog
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yup....!!!! They freakin cousins of each other
GRAPHIC CONTENT- The "faces" of Islam (12 images)
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RickWhite
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I am beginning to realize just how foolish it is of me to waste my time arguing with the idiots in this forum. Anyone who can't see that the horrors of Islam are specific to Islam and that there are no parallels in any other faith is either a complete moron or is so blinded by their hatred of all religion that they can't think straight. To argue that all religion is to blame for the horrors of Islam is the same as arguing that all people are to blame for the crimes committed by some.
Why stop with religion? Why not say that "Islam is not the problem, humanity is the problem." By the same logic, religion is not to blame, humanity is. Therefore, all humanity is part of the problem and we ought to get rid of it.
It seems to me that most of the posters here know they are anonymous and don't care how utterly foolish they sound so they just say anything no matter how idiotic.
Why stop with religion? Why not say that "Islam is not the problem, humanity is the problem." By the same logic, religion is not to blame, humanity is. Therefore, all humanity is part of the problem and we ought to get rid of it.
It seems to me that most of the posters here know they are anonymous and don't care how utterly foolish they sound so they just say anything no matter how idiotic.
CrackerJax
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They are both cult religions. Cult religions cause most of the strife in the world.
Roseman
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I just don't get it. I lean towarded agreeing with what RickWhite just posted as if anyone is going to hold an entire religion responsible for horrible acts, then hold all of humanity responsible.
Are all Muslims terrorists and all terrorists Muslims?
Does Cat Stevens or Muhammed Ali or Kereem Abdul Jabar or Omar Sharif condone those terrible horrible acts of violence to women? They are all Muslims reading the same Koran.
Maybe we ought to hate all the Catholics? Timothy McVeigh was raised a catholic and he killed 168 Americans in Oklahoma, the worst terrorist act this country ever saw until 911. And look what those catholics did in the so called Holy Wars. And look at what violent acts David, Saul, Solomon and many other leaders in the Old Testament of the Bible did. And then later, the Jews had Jesus beaten and crucified. Those jews loved to stone someone to death, but I am not hating all of the jews for it.
How ignorant is it to hate all people of one race, or one nationality because of what a lot or a few of them do? Just as ignorant as hating all of one faith or one religion.
In the Christian Bible Jesus said the greatest gift anyone can give is to lay down his life for someone else, but he was not promoting suicide bombers, was he? But some idiot could quote him and believe it is OK to do.
All religious Books, all sacred books can be interpreted widely and differently. There are nearly as many sexts of Muslims as there Christian Denominations, and if 90 out of 100 condone and promote violence, that doesn't mean that they all do and should be hated.
I pray for those females that can not flee the violence and get out of town. I feel very sorry for them, and every female all over the world that is violated or faces violence. Jesus said to pray for those that do it to them. ("pray for your enemies and those that persecute you") That is a very difficult thing to do, but it is easier than hating 1/5 of all humanity and wishing them harm and injury. Jesus had alot to say about judging and comdemning people. I accept it and as difficult as it is, I try not to do it.
Are all Muslims terrorists and all terrorists Muslims?
Does Cat Stevens or Muhammed Ali or Kereem Abdul Jabar or Omar Sharif condone those terrible horrible acts of violence to women? They are all Muslims reading the same Koran.
Maybe we ought to hate all the Catholics? Timothy McVeigh was raised a catholic and he killed 168 Americans in Oklahoma, the worst terrorist act this country ever saw until 911. And look what those catholics did in the so called Holy Wars. And look at what violent acts David, Saul, Solomon and many other leaders in the Old Testament of the Bible did. And then later, the Jews had Jesus beaten and crucified. Those jews loved to stone someone to death, but I am not hating all of the jews for it.
How ignorant is it to hate all people of one race, or one nationality because of what a lot or a few of them do? Just as ignorant as hating all of one faith or one religion.
In the Christian Bible Jesus said the greatest gift anyone can give is to lay down his life for someone else, but he was not promoting suicide bombers, was he? But some idiot could quote him and believe it is OK to do.
All religious Books, all sacred books can be interpreted widely and differently. There are nearly as many sexts of Muslims as there Christian Denominations, and if 90 out of 100 condone and promote violence, that doesn't mean that they all do and should be hated.
I pray for those females that can not flee the violence and get out of town. I feel very sorry for them, and every female all over the world that is violated or faces violence. Jesus said to pray for those that do it to them. ("pray for your enemies and those that persecute you") That is a very difficult thing to do, but it is easier than hating 1/5 of all humanity and wishing them harm and injury. Jesus had alot to say about judging and comdemning people. I accept it and as difficult as it is, I try not to do it.
CrackerJax
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Yes, I agree completely, we'd all be better off without religion ...
Haul me to Heaven
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Thank you Rick. My heart was broke by all the idiotic responces. Your post was to the point.
"And fools hate knowledge".
To those that post idiotic stuff all I can do is provide the following:
Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I (God) will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
But ye have set at naught all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose to respect the LORD:
They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. "
Also:
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
And, lastly:
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; "
There will be a day of Reckoning for every one of us. You can count on it.
But:
Dan 12:10 but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked will understand; but the wise shall understand.
But fools hate knowledge. Mores the pity.
doitinthewoods
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That's what I'm saying. I'm also saying that you're wrong. How ya like that?
You're just as wrong as any other extremist out there. All your threads lean hard one way or the other, which doesn't make you strong at all, but more in the realm of warped and closed minded. You'll never see it that way though, which is my point precisely.
doitinthewoods
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You start off bitching about wasting time, only to continue with your garbage about islam.
I wish with all my heart that I could tell you to your face that you're wrong.
What horrors of islam have you personally experienced?
You clearly aren't capable of the introspection needed to realize how astern most of your ideas are. "get rid of islam" It's just that easy right, and everyone should just be a knucklehead and join right in on that brilliant idea ....Wow,.. you have a highly developed thought process that doesn't have a place in todays ever evolving society. It's this very type thought process that makes you and so many (not all) of your buddies on the right look like complete morons to the rest of the world.
Haul me to Heaven
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Spoken like the true 'sheep shagger' you are. Your post image is suitable. But if the redneck were a Wahabist- he'd be holding the head of an 'infidle'.
Don't you see that as wrong? Or are you just afraid to admite the painfully obvious?
Iron Lion Zion
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Islam isn't a problem. Take out the fundamentalist Islams, who not only act violently but pollute people within their own religion with their ideologies, and there wouldn't be an issue with Islam.
It is interesting that the country who created and espouses the most radical of radicals is our ally. I wonder why that is... $$
It is interesting that the country who created and espouses the most radical of radicals is our ally. I wonder why that is... $$
doitinthewoods
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I never said it wasn't wrong. The fact that you're ignoring everything else that has happened throughout the history of civilization is wrong. You act like it's islam is the root of the problem.
What is painfully obvious is the fact that you're oblivious to how ass backwards you think, and you'll never see it because you're inside it.
I was in the US army infantry for 8 years. I've been shot at, blown up, got purple heart, and lost dozens of friends from the result of extremist thinking not too much different than yours. It's extremist LIKE YOU that are the problem. Too much of anything is bad, including people like you. I've dealt with hardline islamic culture first hand for literally years of my life. What do you know about it?
You resort to calling me "redneck" and "sheepshagger" because I don't agree with you, and I never will, but I wouldn't expect anything less from somebody with the mindset that you have.
It's people like you who will bitch and bitch, but never lift a finger to do ANYTHING about it. It's nice to be such a tough guy from your couch, is it not?
All this talk of exterminating religions. It's your fucking thought process that needs to be exterminated so we, as a people, can move on without you.
You call me the redneck, when you have the backwards way of thinking. .
Haul me to Heaven
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You are right... I verbally asaulted you and that was wrong.
I'm a bit gun shy due to some pathetic view points being expressed and I went off on you.
You also made a point I often make and that is about the 'hardline' radicals. Wahabists. True.
I usually seperate the two. I haven't in this post. My mistake. Not all Muslims are like the Wahabists sect. Jihad etc.
But, omiting them, I am sorry for taking it out on you.
The first two posts shocked me and due to all the interuptions I made my post in an untimly manner. Then I read your post and - let it rip. I should have counted to ten or something.
No hard feelings and I hope you accept my apologizes.
Justine
I'm a bit gun shy due to some pathetic view points being expressed and I went off on you.
You also made a point I often make and that is about the 'hardline' radicals. Wahabists. True.
I usually seperate the two. I haven't in this post. My mistake. Not all Muslims are like the Wahabists sect. Jihad etc.
But, omiting them, I am sorry for taking it out on you.
The first two posts shocked me and due to all the interuptions I made my post in an untimly manner. Then I read your post and - let it rip. I should have counted to ten or something.
No hard feelings and I hope you accept my apologizes.
Justine
CrackerJax
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Cult religions always end badly. The longer it goes on, the worse the ending.
Haul me to Heaven
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Butonly a certain type of Muslim makes Islam a cult. It has been correctly pointed out that not all Muslims are wack-job wahabists. The Saudi sect of Islam (Wahabisum) has done most (but not all) of the nasty crap around the World.
Saddly- Wahbisum will be around as long as there are extreme people wanting to become a part of something extreme. And Hate is really big these days!
Saddly- Wahbisum will be around as long as there are extreme people wanting to become a part of something extreme. And Hate is really big these days!
ruderalis88
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These poor women are the victims of awful crimes against morality, but it isn't fair to directly attribute this suffering to the teachings of Islam.
Unless you read and cite the Qu'aran in Arabic, its native language, then there are a lot of possible fallacies in the translation, particularly into English. (This is not the same as saying the Bible should be read in Latin or Aramaic, it has been taught in English for a very long time.) So any quoting you're doing is not satisfactory to me. I have a well regarded scholar of the language in my acquaintance, and from conversations with him i have learned enough to resolve that without learning the language myself I'll probably never be able to fully understand the Qu'aran. He practises no religion, and preaches no others' words. He is one of the kindest and most intelligent men I can imagine, I have very good reason to trust him as a source. Also, any text can be interpreted in different ways so direct quotation out of context is not really valid as evidence here.
It's important to note that most critics of Islam, or any religion for that matter, are predisposed to be anti-that-religion, and that if you haven't really experienced that religion or given it a chance then you're on thin ice with a lot of your judgements. HMTH i'm sure you've had people criticise your religious beliefs and felt they have not the suitable basis to comment. Same deal.
I find what has happened to these women to be despicable. It sickens me, but you appear to be picking on the whole religion based on the actions of a few. These few are clearly misguided and probably at least a little insane but it doesn't make the whole of Islam dangerous or evil. These are not the first to use religion as an excuse for diabolical actions. There are also at least as many incidents of murder, rape, disfigurement, torture etc that have nothing to do with religion. Some humans are just cunts and will do horrible things to innocent people just cause they feel like it. So it goes.
If the world has any chance of stamping out the extremists then we should unite with those of different cultures and faiths, that we might face a common enemy together. Let us not forget the brotherhood of nations. If we demonise Islam, thousands of innocent Muslims will be punished. If we demonise all Americans because of the ones we see in the media acting like idiots and racists then thousands of innocent Americans will suffer. If we demonise all Irish Catholics because of the IRA then blah blah blah it's all the same theory.
It stands to reason that hose who are evil within their own spheres would be evil in any sphere, regardless. All this chat about Islam teaching killing is just guff. Psycho Muslims teach killing. So do psycho Christians and Jews. So do psycho athiests and agnostics and psychos who like cheese sandwiches. Them being psychos is the problem, not their religion or culture or tastes.
Every community is divided, and divisions lead to conflict. This here for example is a very interesting documentary on the divisions within Jewish Israeli society:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od#3011374
Of course the Muslim men who destroyed these Muslim women should be held accountable and punished for their actions. Of course those who actively maintain a culture where these crimes are accepted should be brought into the real world. Is there any suggestion that they knew any better? If you're taught your whole life that a banana is called an apple it doesn't make it so. It's still an apple. But someone should definitely try and get the message across to you and your source of knowledge that your beliefs IN THIS PARTICULAR are erroneous. You might still know an orange is an orange, if you catch my drift.
Picking on Islam isn't going to help anyone. Pointing fingers and saying "you're more evil than me and here's why" isn't going to achieve anything more than unnecessary hatred and discrimination.
If you were that concerned you might turn your hand to actually contributing to a positive effort to help those afflicted, not just pissing and moaning about how someone could do such a thing.
I don't mean to cause offence, this is statement of fact as I see it.
Peace
Unless you read and cite the Qu'aran in Arabic, its native language, then there are a lot of possible fallacies in the translation, particularly into English. (This is not the same as saying the Bible should be read in Latin or Aramaic, it has been taught in English for a very long time.) So any quoting you're doing is not satisfactory to me. I have a well regarded scholar of the language in my acquaintance, and from conversations with him i have learned enough to resolve that without learning the language myself I'll probably never be able to fully understand the Qu'aran. He practises no religion, and preaches no others' words. He is one of the kindest and most intelligent men I can imagine, I have very good reason to trust him as a source. Also, any text can be interpreted in different ways so direct quotation out of context is not really valid as evidence here.
It's important to note that most critics of Islam, or any religion for that matter, are predisposed to be anti-that-religion, and that if you haven't really experienced that religion or given it a chance then you're on thin ice with a lot of your judgements. HMTH i'm sure you've had people criticise your religious beliefs and felt they have not the suitable basis to comment. Same deal.
I find what has happened to these women to be despicable. It sickens me, but you appear to be picking on the whole religion based on the actions of a few. These few are clearly misguided and probably at least a little insane but it doesn't make the whole of Islam dangerous or evil. These are not the first to use religion as an excuse for diabolical actions. There are also at least as many incidents of murder, rape, disfigurement, torture etc that have nothing to do with religion. Some humans are just cunts and will do horrible things to innocent people just cause they feel like it. So it goes.
If the world has any chance of stamping out the extremists then we should unite with those of different cultures and faiths, that we might face a common enemy together. Let us not forget the brotherhood of nations. If we demonise Islam, thousands of innocent Muslims will be punished. If we demonise all Americans because of the ones we see in the media acting like idiots and racists then thousands of innocent Americans will suffer. If we demonise all Irish Catholics because of the IRA then blah blah blah it's all the same theory.
It stands to reason that hose who are evil within their own spheres would be evil in any sphere, regardless. All this chat about Islam teaching killing is just guff. Psycho Muslims teach killing. So do psycho Christians and Jews. So do psycho athiests and agnostics and psychos who like cheese sandwiches. Them being psychos is the problem, not their religion or culture or tastes.
Every community is divided, and divisions lead to conflict. This here for example is a very interesting documentary on the divisions within Jewish Israeli society:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od#3011374
Of course the Muslim men who destroyed these Muslim women should be held accountable and punished for their actions. Of course those who actively maintain a culture where these crimes are accepted should be brought into the real world. Is there any suggestion that they knew any better? If you're taught your whole life that a banana is called an apple it doesn't make it so. It's still an apple. But someone should definitely try and get the message across to you and your source of knowledge that your beliefs IN THIS PARTICULAR are erroneous. You might still know an orange is an orange, if you catch my drift.
Picking on Islam isn't going to help anyone. Pointing fingers and saying "you're more evil than me and here's why" isn't going to achieve anything more than unnecessary hatred and discrimination.
If you were that concerned you might turn your hand to actually contributing to a positive effort to help those afflicted, not just pissing and moaning about how someone could do such a thing.
I don't mean to cause offence, this is statement of fact as I see it.
Peace
Haul me to Heaven
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I find it odd that the Qu'aran does not teach AGAINST this conduct. Hey, in the Bible conduct like this is wrong. But in the Qu'aran- it's what.... sort of okay??
And I am not... picking on Islam. I did point out that this conduct is acceptable in many, many regions around the world. And the Qu'ran, what, sort of supports it?? No school for women? and the list goes on and on and on....
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And I am not... picking on Islam. I did point out that this conduct is acceptable in many, many regions around the world. And the Qu'ran, what, sort of supports it?? No school for women? and the list goes on and on and on....
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ruderalis88
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Yeah i missed loads of posts cause i was fannying about while writing the above ^ so fair play to yeh, i realise a lot of my points were redundant by the time i made them, sozzles.
There are times in all the religious texts where violence and murder are condoned. As i said all this is out of context, so probably shouldn't count as an argument but it proves at least that Islam isn't the only mainstream religion teaching dubious morality.
Two examples:
"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." Deuteronomy 17:12, and
"If one comes with the intention of killing you, be quick and kill him" is from the Torah.
I disagree that the Qu'aran doesn't teach against these crimes, for one example (in spite of all the previously made points regarding the invalidity of most quotes)
"There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient"
That's a lot more inclusive than most would think Muslim beliefs are. There's also a lot of stuff about 'turning away from the ignorant' as opposed to destroying them, and that the servants of God are those who, when "the ignorant address them, say 'Peace'." Showing patience is repeatedly said to be better than taking vengeance.
I'm not aware of a Moses on Mount Sinai style list of rules like "thou shalt not kill" but there's plenty in the Qu'aran that is pro peace and anti evil.
The women not learning thing, I'd regard that as a symptom of the time and culture it was written in more than a direct lesson from God. When the bible says such and such a person should be stoned to death for whatever reason, most Christians and others don't see that as an actual command to chuck rocks at them.
Also, cultural differences are not the same as religious differences; 'Arab culture' has a lot to do with the treatment of women as 2nd class citizens, not just Islamic culture. Let's be fair 'Western Culture' was maltreating women (and blacks and gays and a whole lot of other groups) until the early 1900s, we don't normally blame the predominant religions of the West for that.
There are times in all the religious texts where violence and murder are condoned. As i said all this is out of context, so probably shouldn't count as an argument but it proves at least that Islam isn't the only mainstream religion teaching dubious morality.
Two examples:
"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." Deuteronomy 17:12, and
"If one comes with the intention of killing you, be quick and kill him" is from the Torah.
I disagree that the Qu'aran doesn't teach against these crimes, for one example (in spite of all the previously made points regarding the invalidity of most quotes)
"There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient"
That's a lot more inclusive than most would think Muslim beliefs are. There's also a lot of stuff about 'turning away from the ignorant' as opposed to destroying them, and that the servants of God are those who, when "the ignorant address them, say 'Peace'." Showing patience is repeatedly said to be better than taking vengeance.
I'm not aware of a Moses on Mount Sinai style list of rules like "thou shalt not kill" but there's plenty in the Qu'aran that is pro peace and anti evil.
The women not learning thing, I'd regard that as a symptom of the time and culture it was written in more than a direct lesson from God. When the bible says such and such a person should be stoned to death for whatever reason, most Christians and others don't see that as an actual command to chuck rocks at them.
Also, cultural differences are not the same as religious differences; 'Arab culture' has a lot to do with the treatment of women as 2nd class citizens, not just Islamic culture. Let's be fair 'Western Culture' was maltreating women (and blacks and gays and a whole lot of other groups) until the early 1900s, we don't normally blame the predominant religions of the West for that.
Haul me to Heaven
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Well said. Morality is the basis of pure religion. Within morality we also find a foundation in, or upon, love. Love conquors all. To forgive is a blessing, like water to dry ground.
Evil is a theif, a liar and a deceptive cheat.
I, personally, would rather live with/be arond people who 'hope' and 'help' those in need of both. Love and forgivness is an answer to many things.
Reconciliation and restoration.
Just a few things we need more of- in my opinion.
j
Evil is a theif, a liar and a deceptive cheat.
I, personally, would rather live with/be arond people who 'hope' and 'help' those in need of both. Love and forgivness is an answer to many things.
Reconciliation and restoration.
Just a few things we need more of- in my opinion.
j
ruderalis88
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Agreed, good man. If every single follower of religion actually acted with love, compassion, and to create equality then the world wouldn't be in the big shagging state it is in. Too bad there aren't more like you pal
peace
peace
