"Green Crack" bag seed. Very first Grow.

zombiegirl

Member
Aloha all. This is my very first post and my very first grow. This project started as what I hoped would be a late Christmas gift for my boyfriend. He had no idea that I had started, just that I had a new hobby. We only have access to/can really afford shitty brick weed and it often tastes nasty so I thought it would be fun to try my hand at this and see if I could provide a better supply for us. He had always showed interest in growing but never actually tried. I figured I'd introduce him to my grow right before flowering so he could enjoy the final stages and then help me with harvest.

Well as it turns out our 7 month relationship (and 13 year friendship) ended this week. I have decided to pour all my energy into this grow (the results of which I plan to keep for myself now) and knitting Christmas gifts. This is my therapy.

I started this on a whim in the middle of a long weekend. When i get an idea i dive in full force. once i decided i wanted to do this i spent a couple days online just searching forums and youtube on what i needed to get started. I was broke so most of the things I have now will be replaced with better materials this week or next.

Grow Location: a shotgun cabinet in an unused partially finished room in my basement.


Items used:
- the wire and socket part of a lamp kit (which I'll soon add a socket splitter to)
- [1] 90w "Daylight" incandescent bulb with 1400 lumens (plan on replacing with [4] 100w equivalent 6500k CFL bulbs this week)
- aluminum foil for reflective surface (I will replace with mylar emergency blankets this week)
- heating pad (for germinating seeds)
- light timer (on an 18/6 schedule right now)
- peat disks (for germinating seeds)
- one reused (but thoroughly cleaned) takeout plate from taco bell (for germinating seeds)
- MG Moisture Control potting mix
- [2] small pots (I will replace with cheap 3 gal pots once they run out of room)
- ducky watering can
- tiny shovel
- seeds (duh)

The seeds I decided to use are bag seed from buds I received as a Halloween gift from my ex. The guy he got it from called it "Green Crack". They were a nice sticky deep green that smelled delicious. After hearing the name I wanted to research the strain. My high seemed to line up pretty well with the traits of that strain; a sativa with a very strong up but short high. I figured its good enough for experimenting. If I am even remotely successful I think I will buy some femmed seeds for the next round.

I know the priority is going to be changing out my one incandescent bulb for appropriate CFLs. The information I found said that filtered and lower light would be ok for seedlings so I decided to work out the lighting once I knew I had viable seeds.

I started with only two seeds because of limited space. They both sprouted and one has been put in a slightly larger pot already.I know I am unlikely to get a female but I hope to get lucky. If I don't I will just mulch these and start from scratch. Maybe with femmed seeds if I can at least get these to thrive to flower.

I have taken photos but I have to figure out how to post them as I am on my phone right now.

If anyone has any advice, input or questions please let me know. I am an information sponge. I can't have enough.

Thank you!
 

HighFi

Member
Hey zombie, I'm a newb too and mainly read on here, not post. I've only grown 2 plants so far but they turned out great quality. I would definitely just go for the cfl's and get reflectors to minimize light loss, otherwise the light is just going everywhere and not just directly on the plant. I usually keep one 23w cfl bulb with a reflector on each plant during vegging and they usually grow to about 12" with one bulb and then send them into 12/12 flowering on the 5th or 6th week. Make sure you use 5000k or higher light color on veg and 2700k on flower. Gonna take some trial and error. Just don't overfeed or over water.

Just do a bunch of seperate searches on cfl grow, nutrients (nutes), light schedule, odor control, etc. Tons of info on here waiting to be found.

And good luck!
 

RainbowBrite86

Well-Known Member
Hey Zombiegirl :) Welcome to RIU! I've subscribed to your grow and have my fingers crossed for an awesome grow for you.
 

zombiegirl

Member
The second smaller plant died. I think it dried out. The first is thriving though has a little bit of browning at the tips (ideas? advice?) and I started another. I have changed my lights. I couldn't find emergency blankets at walmart. Any ideas as to where they would be located?
 

zombiegirl

Member
So a quick update and a question....

After the second plant died i germinated a couple more seeds. One didn't take but the other did and it is now much larger than the first. I have now re-potted them.


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I switched to a 12/12 cycle after 3 weeks. I had read about 12/12 from seed and I thought I'd try it on bag seed. I'm impatient and have a very small space so it couldn't hurt to experiment. I think I may see a slight sign of female preflowers. Is there any chance I'm right?

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zombiegirl

Member
Get those lights closer.
GC is a nice strain.

Aloha and Mele Kalikimaka
Thank you, Ringsixty. I need more lights in general and should have them closer. I got a little freaked the other day when I went to a friends overnight and came back to them having grown much taller and right into the light. A few of the leaves ended up crispy. :(
 

Ringsixty

Well-Known Member
Thank you, Ringsixty. I need more lights in general and should have them closer. I got a little freaked the other day when I went to a friends overnight and came back to them having grown much taller and right into the light. A few of the leaves ended up crispy. :(
Yep, quick growth can happens. I keep my lights 4 inches above the canopy. But, my CFLs are way bigger than what you are using.
Your pretty safe @ 2 inches above the plant.
 

zombiegirl

Member
Just a few pictures. I had to tie them back because they were getting tall already. I'm a bit concerned. There is a shelf in this cabinet that may limit my height. I plan on getting more lights tomorrow. I have been on a very limited budget.

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zombiegirl

Member
Bought 4 more 23w (100w equivalent) CFLs this morning. I had already had 3 but dropped one on the floor as I was adding the new ones. :( but with the 6 bulbs that are left I am up to over 8,000 lumens. I'm hoping that will make a difference. I'll post a photo of the new lights later.
 

zombiegirl

Member
Here is a quick shot of my lights....
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And some new growth I had from topping that I took last week...
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Had a bit of an issue today. I was at my boyfriend's for two days and came back to them being very droopy. The soil was bone dry. I gave them a huge drink and they seem to be perking back up a bit, though some of the lower leaves do not look happy at all. How concerned should I be?

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locustlord

Active Member
Here's a direct quotation from another thread I read somewhere. I don't remember who exactly wrote this, but it should help if your girls are suffering from something more than just dehydration:

"Before Diagnosing

Before you assume the plant has a nutrient deficiency, make sure the problem is not due to other causes. Examine the plant leaves, and along the stem and in the soil.


Even under the best conditions, not all leaves form perfectly or remain perfectly green. Small leaves that grew on the young seedling normally die within a month or two. Under artificial lights, bottom leaves may be shielded from the light, or be too far away from the light to carry on chlorosynthesis. These leaves will gradually turn pale or yellow, and may form brown areas as they die. However, healthy large leaves should remain green at least three to four feet below the plant tops, even on those plants under small light systems. Under low light, the lower-growing shoots as well as the large leaves on the main stem are affected. Some symptoms of nutrient deficiencies begin first at the bottom of the plant, but these symptoms generally affect the lower leaves on the main stem first, and the progress to the leaves on the branches.


Although some deficiency symptoms start on the lower, older leaves, others start at the growing shoots or at the top of the plants. This difference depends on whether or not the nutrient is mobile and can move from the older leaves to the active growing shoot. Deficiency symptoms of mobile nutrients start at the bottom of the plant. Conversely, deficiency symptoms of immobile nutrients first appear on the younger leaves or growing shoots at the top of the plant. N, P, K, Mg, B, and Mb are mobile in the plant. Mn and Zn are less mobile, and Ca, S, Fe, and Cu are generally immobile.


A dry atmosphere or wet soil may cause the blade tips to turn brown. Brown leaf tips also may indicate a nutrient deficiency, but in this case, more tissue will turn brown than just the end tips.


Chlorosis and necrosis are two terms which describe symptoms of disease in plants. Chlorosis means lacking green (chlorophyll). Chlorotic leaves are pale green to yellow or white. Chlorotic leaves often show some recovery after the necessary nutrient is supplied. Necrosis means that the tissue is dead. Dead tissue can be gold, rust, brown, or grey. It is dry and crumbles when squeezed. Necrotic tissue cannot recover.


Symptoms of deficiencies of either N, P, or K have the following in common: all involve some yellowing and necrosis of the lower leaves, and all are accompanied by red/purple colour in stems and petioles. The simplest way to remedy these deficiencies is to fertilise with a complete fertiliser containing nearly equal proportions of three nutrients.


Nitrogen


N is the most common deficiency of Cannabis indoors or out. Nitrogen deficiencies may be quite subtle, particularly outdoors, where the soil may continuously provide a small amount of nitrogen. In this case the opt of the plant will appear healthy, and the plant will grow steadily, but at a slow pace. The deficiency becomes more apparent with growth, as more and more of the lower leaves yellow and fall. The first sign is a gradual, uniform yellowing of the large, lower leaves. Once the leaf yellow, necrotic tips and areas form as the leaves dry to a gold or rust colour. In small pots, the whole plant may appear pale (or lime colour) before many bottom leaves are affected to the point that they yellow or die. Symptoms that accompany N deficiency include red stems and petioles, smaller leaves, slow growth, and a smaller, sparse profile. Usually there is a rapid yellowing and loss of the lower leaves that progresses quickly to the top of the plant unless nitrogen is soon added.


Remedy by fertilising with any soluble N fertiliser or with a complete fertiliser that is high in N. If your diagnosis is correct, some recovery should be visible in three or four days. Pale leaves will regain some colour but not increase in size. New growth will be much more vigorous and new stems and petioles will have normal green colour.


Indoors, you should expect plants to need N fertilisation a few times during growth. Once a plant shows N deficiency, you should fertilise regularly to maintain healthy and vigorous growth. Fertilise at about one-half the concentration recommended for Soilless mixtures. Increase the treatment only if the plants show symptoms again. Once the plants are flowering, you may choose not to fertilise if the plants are vigorous. They will have enough N to complete flowering and you don't want to chance toxifying the soil at this late date.


Phosphorous


P deficiency is not common indoors, but may appear outdoors, particularly in dry, alkaline soils or in depleted soils, or during cool weather. Phosphorus deficiency is characterised by slow and sometimes stunted growth. Leaves overall are smaller and dark green; red colour appears in petioles and stems. The leaves may also develop red or purple colour starting on the veins of the underside of the leaf. Generally the tips of most of the leaf blades on the lower portion of the plant die before the leaves lose colour. Lower leaves slowly turn yellow before they die. Remedy with any soluble P-containing fertiliser. Affected leaves do not show much recovery, but the plant should perk up, and the symptoms do not progress.


Potassium


K deficiencies sometimes show on indoor plants even when there is apparently enough supplied for normal growth. Often, potassium-deficient plants are the tallest ((Potassium is associated with apical dominance in some plant species.)) and appear to be the most vigorous. Starting on the large lower leaves, the tips of the blades brown and die. Necrotic areas or spots form on the blades, particularly along the margins. Sometimes the leaves are spattered with chlorotic tissue before necrosis develops, and the leaves look pale or yellow. Symptoms may appear on indoor plants grown in a soil rich in organic material. This may be due to high salinity (Na) of some manures or composts used in the soil. Red stems and petioles accompany potassium deficiencies. K deficiencies that could seriously affect your crop rarely occur with indoor soils. However, mild symptoms are quite common. Usually the plants grow very well except for some necrotic spotting or areas on the older leaves. (This condition is primarily and aesthetic problem, and you may choose not to fertilise. See 19.3.)


K deficiencies can be treated with any fertiliser that contains potassium. Wood ashes dissolved in water are a handy source of potassium. Recovery is slow. New growth will not have the red colour, and leaves will stop spotting after a couple of weeks. In a K-deficient soil, much of the added potassium is absorbed by the soil until a chemical balance is reached. Then additional potassium becomes readily available to the plant.


Calcium


Ca deficiencies are rare and do not occur if you have added any lime compound or wood ash. But calcium is added primarily to regulate soil chemistry and pH. Make sure that you add lime to soil mixtures when adding manures, cottonseed meal, or other acidic bulk fertilisers. An excess of acidic soil additives may create magnesium or iron deficiencies, or very slow, stunted growth. Remedy by adding one teaspoon of dolomitic lime per quart of water until the plants show marked improvement. Periodically fertilise with a complete fertiliser. Foliar feeding is most beneficial until the soil's chemistry reaches a new balance.


Sulfur


S is plentiful in both organic and mineral soils. Liming and good aeration increases S availability. Hence S deficiencies should not occur in soils that are suitable for growing marijuana. However, sulfur deficiencies sometimes can be confused with N deficiencies and may also occur because of an excess of other nutrients in the soil solution. Sulfur-deficiency symptoms usually start at the top of the plant. There is a general yellowing of the new leaves. In pots, the whole plant may lose some green colour. Both sulfur and Mg deficiencies can be treated with the same compound, epsom salts (MgSO4). Epsom salts, or bathing salts are inexpensive and available at drug stores.


Magnesium


Mg deficiencies are fairly common. They frequently occur in Soilless mixtures, since many otherwise all-purpose fertilisers do not contain Mg. Magnesium deficiencies also occur in mixtures that contain very large amounts of Ca or Cl. Symptoms of Mg deficiency occur first on the lower leaves. There is chlorosis of tissue between the veins, which remain green, and starting from the tips the blades die and usually curl upward. Purple colour builds up on stems and petioles.


A plant in a pot may lose much of its colour in a matter of weeks. You may first notice Mg symptoms at the top of the plant. The leaves in the growing shoot are lime-coloured. In extreme cases, all the leaves turn practically white, with green veins. Iron deficiency looks much the same, but a sure indication of Mg deficiency is that a good portion of the leaf blades die and curl. Treat Mg symptoms with one-half teaspoon of epsom salts to each quart of water, and water as usual. The top leaves recover their green colour within four days, and all but the most damaged should recover gradually. Continue to fertilise with epsom salts as needed until the plants are flowering well. If you are using soilless mixtures, include epsom salts regularly with the complete mixture. Because Mg deficiencies may indicate interference from other nutrients, foliar-spray with Mg to check your diagnosis if the plants are not obviously recovering.


Iron


Fe deficiency rarely occurs with indoor mixtures. Iron is naturally plentiful in most soils, and is most likely to be deficient when the soil is very acid or alkaline. Under these conditions, which sometimes occur in moist eastern soil outdoors, the iron becomes insoluble. Remedies include adjusting the Ph before planting; addition of rusty water; or driving a nail into the stem. Commercial Fe preparations are also available. If the soil is acidic, use chelated iron, which is available to the plants under acidic conditions.


Symptoms of iron deficiency are usually distinct. Symptoms appear first on the new growing shoots. The leaves are chlorotic between the veins, which remain dark green and stand out as a green network. To distinguish between Mg and Fe deficiencies, check the lower leaves for symptoms. Iron symptoms are usually most prominent on the growing shoots. Mg deficiencies will also show in the lower leaves. If many of the lower leaves have been spotting or dying, the deficiency is probably Mg. Mg deficiencies are much more common than iron deficiencies in marijuana.


Other Trace Elements


The following deficiencies are quite rare. Trace elements are needed in extremely small amounts, and often enough of them are present as impurities in fertilisers and water to allow normal growth. Many houseplant fertilisers contain trace elements. Trace-element deficiencies are more often caused by an extreme pH than by inadequate quantities in the soil. If a deficiency is suspected, foliar-spray with the trace element to remedy deficiencies. Our experience has been that trace-element deficiencies rarely occur indoors. We advise you not to add trace elements to indoor soils, which usually contain large amounts of trace elements already because of the addition of organic matter and liming compounds. It is easy to create toxic conditions by adding trace elements. Manufacturers also recommend using amounts of trace elements that may be too high for indoor gardens; so use them at about one-fourth of the manufacturer's recommended dose if an addition is found to be necessary.


Manganese


Mn deficiency appears as chlorotic and the necrotic spots of leaf tissue between the veins. They generally appear on the younger leaves, although spots may appear over the whole plant. Manganese deficiencies are not common. Manganese is present in many all-purpose fertilisers. Mn deficiencies may occur if large amounts of Mg are present.


Boron


B deficiency may occasionally occur in outdoor soils. The symptoms appear first at the growing shoots, which die and turn brown or grey. The shoots may appear "burned," and if the condition occurs indoors, you might think the lights have burned the plant. A sure sign of boron deficiency is that, once the growing tip dies, the lateral buds will start to grow but will also die. B deficiency can be corrected by application of boric acid, which is sold as an eyewash in any drugstore. Use one-fourth teaspoon per quart of water. Recovery occurs in a few days with healthy growth of new shoots.


Molybdenum


Mb deficiency occurs in outdoor soils, but rarely indoors. Mb is readily available at neutral or alkaline pH. Mb is essential for nitrogen metabolism in the plant, and symptoms can be masked for a while when N fertilisers are being used. Usually there is a yellowing of the leaves at the middle of the plant. Fertilising with nitrogen may remedy some of the yellowing. However, Mb symptoms generally progress to the growing shoots and new leaves often are distorted or twisted. Mb is included in many all-purpose fertilisers.


Zinc


Zn-deficiency symptoms include chlorosis of leaf tissue between the veins. Chlorosis or white areas start at the leaf margins and tips. More definite symptoms are very small, new leaves which may also be twisted or curled radially. Zn deficiencies may occur in alkaline western soils. Galvanised nails can be buried or pushed into the stem. Commercial preparations of zinc are also available.


Copper


Cu deficiencies are rare; be careful not to confuse their symptoms with the symptoms of overfertilisation. The symptoms appear first on the younger leaves, which become necrotic at the tips and margins. Leaves will appear somewhat limp, and in extreme cases the whole plant will wilt. Treat by foliar-spraying with a commercial fungicide such as CuSO4."
 

locustlord

Active Member
Though, more chances than not, those lower leaves may just be drooping because they aren't receiving enough light, probably due to poor reflection (you really should find some good mylar-type reflective surface to layer your grow area with) or just weak lights in general. Anyhow, best of luck treating your girls back to good health!
 

bde0001

New Member
Just a few pictures. I had to tie them back because they were getting tall already. I'm a bit concerned. There is a shelf in this cabinet that may limit my height. I plan on getting more lights tomorrow. I have been on a very limited budget.

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hey just curious, that light in the first pic.... that reddish one, is that a regular incandescent? If so, that MAY be a good reason why your plants are stretching a lot. Also genetics. I am growing og kush with just cfl's and it is staying very short.
 

zombiegirl

Member
Thanks for the replies guys!

bde0001 Yes, it is an incandescent. I had another 100w eq there but I dropped it. :( I lowered it between the plants just to get a little more light to the lower growth. There are 6 other 100w eq cfls above it....

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If ti's lowered between them will it still cause stretching? I thought that only happened if there wasn't enough light in general. I do plan to get another CFL to replace it, but with the holidays I have about 8 cents to my name.

locustlord They seem to be perking back up quite nicely and returning to what they were before they missed a watering. They weren't yellow or droopy before that so I don't think I am having a nutrient problem. I am going to start Dyna-Gro Bloom and molasses this week if they seem to have recovered. I am a little late starting bloom nutrients, but as I've said, I'm broke. Haha. We will see what happens.

And I 100% agree about the mylar. It has been on the list for a while but I haven't been able to get my hand on any yet. Hopefully soon.

The girls are in their dark cycle at the moment. I will be able to check on them in about 2 hours so I'll post some pics of them to show how they are recovering.
 

bde0001

New Member
hmm thats a good question. I am not totally sure if it still causes strectch if the light is low in height. But If I were you I would get rid of the incandescent. Its really not much good at all for the plants. I would stick with the cfl's. right now I am vegging my 1 plant and I onyl have 2 cfl's on it now. So to get more light to the plant I used foil to make a makeshift reflector to bounce the lights rays downward. I would do that if i were you, just until you get a couple more cfl's. Good luck! I hear green crack is some heavy duty shit.

Oh yeah not to mention those old incandescent's use a lot of electricty for the light output...plus it isn't the right type of light the plant should be getting.
 

zombiegirl

Member
I haven't updated here much. Here is a link to a thread with some of the problems I have been having: https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/612083-panic-almost-all-fan-leaves.html


So.... I pulled her. She somehow leaned directly into my light and ended up with some CFL burns right on the buds. So sad. She looks pitiful. The smoke is good though after a quick sample, so hopefully after curing it will be at least ok. I am sad it didn't turn out as well as I had hoped, but that is what the first grow is for right? Learning.

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The second plant still seems to be going strong and getting denser and frostier every day. I have high hopes that she will be more potent than her sister.

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