Greenhouse Exodus Cheese is going bad!

SweetnSauer

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downsized_0930011631.jpgblah!.jpg see that leaf pointing up? theres two lower fan leaves doing that. its starting necrotic spots in the pictures. the yellow one has small brown circles starting all over. the turned up one has just a big blotch necrotic spot. these are the bottom leaves. its MG organic with 30 percent perlite added. I water them with 6.8 phed reverse osmosis water. I havent fed them yet. they are small clones and thought they shouldnt need much.
 

echlectica

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It is totally obvious what your problem is. Your getting water and fertilizer on your leaves. In the first pic there are beads of water on the leaves right in the pic.
 

echlectica

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Feed em and stop getting water on the leaves and leaving it there if you get water on the leaves shake or wipe it off.
 

SweetnSauer

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"I have not fed them" is in the first post. that includes any kind of foliar feeding. your attention to detail is amazing. next.
 

racerboy71

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"I have not fed them" is in the first post. that includes any kind of foliar feeding. your attention to detail is amazing. next.
lol, that's what i was thinking.. i've yet to get a plant to get burnt from water droplets on the leaves.. i tend to think it's one of those wives tales.. when it rains and the sun comes out, do plants outdoors get burnt where the droplets of rain were?? of course not..
it looks like it's a nitrogen defeciency to me m8.. feed them with a light dose of some vegetive nutes and see if they come around..
sometimes they leaves that are already affected won't correct themselves, so keep an eye on the new growth and make sure it's coming in nice and green..
i like to foliar feed with some worm casting tea that i make up by adding a few tbsp's to a gallon of water of worm castings, and i let it aerate for about 24 hours with an old airline i had laying around with an old fish pump, and i'll then use this as a foliar feed.. the plants love it and it really seems to keep them nice and lush and green..
 
a clone is a genetic copy of the mother plant and biologicaly is as old as the mother plant as soon as it gets roots it can be fed.the amount of food if any at all is very strain dependant.Your plants look wilted and hungry

a dose of N should do the trick.
 

CEEJR

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I grew that strain last time around. Good stuff and really stinky probably the stinkiest I have ever smelt. I have also heard of the light being magnified by the water droplet burning the leaf but not sure how true it is. I t also likes the pH at 6.5 at least that worked for me in FFOF and their nutes.
 

echlectica

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lol, that's what i was thinking.. i've yet to get a plant to get burnt from water droplets on the leaves.. i tend to think it's one of those wives tales.. when it rains and the sun comes out, do plants outdoors get burnt where the droplets of rain were?? of course not..
it looks like it's a nitrogen defeciency to me m8.. feed them with a light dose of some vegetive nutes and see if they come around..
sometimes they leaves that are already affected won't correct themselves, so keep an eye on the new growth and make sure it's coming in nice and green..
i like to foliar feed with some worm casting tea that i make up by adding a few tbsp's to a gallon of water of worm castings, and i let it aerate for about 24 hours with an old airline i had laying around with an old fish pump, and i'll then use this as a foliar feed.. the plants love it and it really seems to keep them nice and lush and green..
Leaves burning from light being magnified by water droplets is not a wives tale. It never ceases to amaze me how nobies always think they are gonna "re-write the book" on growing weed.
If your so sure its bullshit just wet your plants down and put them right under lights and see where it gets you.
The problem IS that he is getting water on the leaves I'v seen this hundreds of times.
Like I said FEED them and STOP getting shit on the lower leaves and then leaving it there under lights. If you want to foliar feed then do it when the lights go off and let them dry before the lights come on.
 

TinyGrow

Active Member
I have not fed them. How would purified water hurt a leaf?
When beads of water are left on the plant it causes a "magnifying glass" reaction where the bead shoots high powered magnified light directly into the foliage which causes it to dry up and die.

I lost an entire crop doing this. Dont mist your plants, dont water your plants when the light is on - ESPECIALLY if you was sloppy and get water on the foliage.

Purified water sounds harmless and it sure is, if used correctly - when left on the leaves it turns into hell for your plants.

Like I said though, I have had the SAME shit happen to my plants and it looks EXACTLY like what you've posted. Trust the people on this thread I have repped nearly all of them at one point or another for helping me through the same issues.
 

TinyGrow

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lol, that's what i was thinking.. i've yet to get a plant to get burnt from water droplets on the leaves.. i tend to think it's one of those wives tales.. when it rains and the sun comes out, do plants outdoors get burnt where the droplets of rain were?? of course not..
it looks like it's a nitrogen defeciency to me m8.. feed them with a light dose of some vegetive nutes and see if they come around..
sometimes they leaves that are already affected won't correct themselves, so keep an eye on the new growth and make sure it's coming in nice and green..
i like to foliar feed with some worm casting tea that i make up by adding a few tbsp's to a gallon of water of worm castings, and i let it aerate for about 24 hours with an old airline i had laying around with an old fish pump, and i'll then use this as a foliar feed.. the plants love it and it really seems to keep them nice and lush and green..

Dude listen, I see you have 9000 posts and some signature I guess I should envy - but really, you're wrong.

A wives tale? Have you taken a simple introduction to botany class at any college or trade school? Or even read a book on the subject?

It is a PROVEN FACT, in EVERY book of gardening ANY type of plant, that when water beads on the foliage and hits the high intensity light of 11-2pm sun light, it causes magnified rays of the sun to shine through the water and heat up / dry up the foliage that its on. Mind you, 1 droplet will most likely dry out and evaporate before this happens, but if you have a tiny cluster of droplets then the magnification will happen because the leaf wont have time to dry.

I dont just speak from botany experience, my experience as a gardener, or from reading books - I speak from my experience of losing my entire first crop years ago due to watering during the day. Before I knew anything to do with plant life I thought it would be nice to "cool the plants down" during a hot day by misting the hose all over them until they were nice and wet - came back 2 hours later to an entire crop of dead dried up Northern Lights that took about 200 bucks outta my pocket. I also wasnt giving them nutes, I wasnt fucking with them in any sort of way - the soil i planted them in was freshly tilled and there shouldnt have been any problems.

You have to think of it this way, when you put water on your own hands and then say dry them under one of those bathroom blow dryer things. When your hands finish drying, your skin is "rough dry" and over time the natural oils will return and your hands will become softer again.. Its just like a foliage of a plant. If you wet the foliage, the dry it quickly - the foliage will lose all of its moisture, aka killing the leaf because a plant cant just force moisture back into a shriveled leaf.

PS: As for your wives tale comment, you need to read a book man because so much misinformation is flooding through this site whether its intentional or just because you guys were also misinformed idk - but trust me bud this is a proven fact of plant life, you dont spray your plants down during the day - they will die - and if they dont die? As you can see above, many of the foliage will die and set the plant back WEEKS in growth.

Also, if you read any books or looked at any issues having to do with nitrogen def - your leaves dont get rippled yellow spots starting from the middle of the leaf going outward - it is usually a symmetrical pattern going around the EXTERIOR of the leave which will cause the EXTERIOR EDGES of the leaves to yellow, curl, then brown.

God, Ech, some people... lol..

If you dont know for sure, dont try to help somebody - you only make shit worse. Wives tale. lol.... A wives tale solidified by every professonal botanist on earth....
 
weather or not water beads on leaves will cause some burning and discoloration is not the issue at all.It will by the way but still not the issue.The op's plants are wilted and yellowing That is cause they are clones who have not been fed at all. Either his plant is locked out (which I doubt cause the've only had water) or it needs food more specificly a food rich in Nitrogen.
 

echlectica

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weather or not water beads on leaves will cause some burning and discoloration is not the issue at all.It will by the way but still not the issue.The op's plants are wilted and yellowing That is cause they are clones who have not been fed at all. Either his plant is locked out (which I doubt cause the've only had water) or it needs food more specificly a food rich in Nitrogen.
So, like I said FEED THEM and blah blah blah. :rolleyes:
 

TinyGrow

Active Member
Yeah my apologies for blowing up your post, it wasn't my intention. I just hate when people say the words "wives tale" when talking about something scientifically proven. I understand he has 9000 posts but my entire theory to helping and sharing information is that if I do not know about what the fuck I am talking about, I dont post on the topic at all. Talking out of your ass causes many of problems with not only new growers but experienced also. I started out new and quickly jumped into the field of botany and agriculture and love it a lot - I read many books on the scientific methods behind plant growth, growth issues etc. I hate it with a passion when people spread misinformation like factual information without any substantial proof of their claims.

Im babbling again. I hope everything is well with your plants. PS: I have had plants look like that on the lower leaves before - sometimes it COULD be a nute def. but the tricky part is - it could be over nuted. I know you never nuted it - but check the soil you used. Some soils have "time released" nutes alrdy in the soil OR are pre-nuted before ya buy it - this could be your problem. SO be careful when adding nutes - try it out but if the problem gets worse, flush your plant for 30 mins and wait a couple days - see if it gets better.

If all hell breaks loose and nothing you do works - check the PH of your soil run off and the PH of the water you are watering it with. I've had PH problems look similar to this except it usually yellows the entire plant.

Im sorry if I babbled for an hour, just trying to help =D
 

SweetnSauer

Active Member
So what happens in the wild? natural rain and 10,000 lumens per square foot searing sun? they pull out an umbrella? Kidding! you know what happened to those leaves that had the water droplets on them? nothing. absolutely nothing. the fan leaves on the other hand, from oldest to youngest on the main stem, started dying and working their way up. Truth is if I didnt spray all my plants with neem oil and water I would eventually just be growing spider mite colonies with thrips for neighbors. Im not saying that it cant do damage though. Lets all fight! I will bring the wiffle ball bats! You guys bring socks full of quarters!
 

SweetnSauer

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Fights on the net are so funny. i imagine most of you are naked rubbing yourself with peanut butter while screaming at the screen.
 
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