lBiG lBeAR
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I agree, but I thought their original cheese was great. better than the exodus cut
greenhouse seed review
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Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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Greenhouse is almost exclusively renown for being the worst breeders aroud, they buy their cup wins, they dont earn them.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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In high school i once answered every question with "c" on a scantron. I got a few things right, still earned myself a failing grade, greenhouse is eerily similar.
Jogro
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Well, I'm no fan of Greenhouse (and in fact I won't buy their ceeds at all), but I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. I think there probably are worse breeders out there, for one thing.
To me Greenhouse is more like the "McDonalds" of ceeds in the sense that they're the largest seller by volume irrespective of quality ("over ten billion served"). Although at least some of their genetics are questionable, and a portion undoubtedly mediocre, I'm sure out of their 20+ lines at least some of them are good. I realize this is damning by faint praise, but you probably could do worse.
Danny Danko of High Times magazine recently made a point of saying that Greenhouse has gotten a lot of flack over the particular issue of cup cheating (and it most certainly IS true that this particular house has been guilty of bribery in the past, effectively buying cups), but their last High Times Cannabis cup win was in blinded judging, so it must have meant something.
Without parsing his statement too much (ie was it REALLY blinded?, etc), in general I think its a bad idea to attribute too much meaning to contest wins.
Even stipulating legitimate judging, the criteria the judges use to pick winners probably aren't the same as what you should be using to grow strains at home. Specifically, the judges are only judging BUDS, they are NOT judging STRAINS, and this distinction is absolutely critical.
Specifically the judge are only looking at appearance, scent, flavor, potency, and high quality. They *can't* judge how hard it is to grow a strain, how hermie-prone it might be, how pest resistant, how stable/unstable the genetics, nor how good/bad yield is, and all these things matter a great deal to growers.
If you can only expect to see the cup entrant pheno in 1 out of 4 plants from a pack (or fewer. . .or NEVER), that's a big issue for growers that the judges will never be aware of. Likewise, if a particular "haze" is hermie prone, low yielding, and takes 18 weeks to finish, most growers aren't going to want to grow that in their homes, regardless of how good the buds turn out to be. If a particular plant is highly susceptible to bud rot or mites, etc, again, this is something of great interest to individual growers that isn't going to be reflected in a contest win (or loss).
Another issue unique to judging is that with 20+ entered strains to test in a relatively short time, the judges can't possibly really smoke and test all of them. Their first step is typically just to narrow the selection down by pure visual "bag appeal". This means that anything that wasn't trimmed right, cured right, or even just a strain that looks a bit "leafy" by nature might not stand a chance of winning, even if its great. Take the same 20 strains, and have them grown by different growers, trimmed and cured differently, and the outcome may well be different.
Almost by definition, judges are hardcore smokers, who've tried a lot of buds and probably smoke frequently. So they may have a sort of "critic bias", in that what appeals to them may not have the same appeal to the ordinary smoker. They're looking for something "different", even if most smokers may not be.
As another issue, I don't think High Times has ever actually publicized its cup entry criteria. Its certainly NOT "open entry", and I suspect its "invitation only" for their advertisers, which, assuming its true, presents its own set of issues. Of course, just because a given breeder's plant "A" wins a contest, that doesn't necessarily mean that their lines "B", "C", "D" and "E" are equally noteworthy.
The point is, the various cups are mostly intended to serve as publicity forums for their sponsors and their entrants. In that regard, they work extremely well. Even if the cups legitimately do select the best BUDS from a given set of entrants, that doesn't mean that the winning entrants are necessarily good choices for any individual grower. More simply, its a bad idea to pick a strain JUST because it won a cup, and by extension its a bad idea to choose a particular breeder just because they have won one (or more) cups.
That Greenhouse has won fifty-gazillion cups tells me mostly that they have figured out how to win cups. Whether or not being the most successful at what might be termed cup "gamesmanship" is the same thing as having "earned" the cups is debatable, but I don't think it tells me much at all about whether I do. . .or don't. . .want to grow their strains.
x iGrow x
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I've grown K-Train.. Which was garbage there was no uniformity in the strain.. I had four plants some grew to be 6' outdoors others were only 4' some were only 3'.. And the smoke wasn't very good either.. Im growing Great White Shark and Chemdog ATM.. Great white is killing it, and are alot more uniform.. And I put one out last year with the K-Train.. And it did better than them with less time.. My Chemdog are just seedlings so im not too sure about them yet
hotrodharley
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yeah well i kew about those ip rograms out there but i never taught i would have to use them for this reason. I like roll it up allot, (as they gave me a discount at attitude seed bank) but they banned me after I gave greenhouse the worst review I have seen ever given by a reviewer. As the lord is above I shall post the pics of the proof of greenhouse robery and lies. Roll it up admin cant do shit about that cause ill just sign up for another email adress and re-regester with a different user name, mungruez, zaakir , munzaak, whatever once it goes on and on untill I get the proof up, these forums get paid to delete reviews like this and thats why there are soo many deleted reviews on this site on this thread! Please reply to this so it will appear in a bubble and that way they cant remove it soo easily!
i am moving on now tough thank god i got some biodesel atoflower and some afghani from KC brains now so I can grow my medicine and FUCK GREENHOUSE FOR GETTING RICH OF SELING SHIT! I NEVER SEE SEEDS TAKE DAY TO GROW A PLUMULE AND THEN DIE WITH THE PLUMULE! AND WHAT ANGERS ME SOO MUCH IS ALL THE CANABIS CUPS THEY WON AND ALL OVER THE WORLD THEY GO IN SEARCH OF STRAINS AND THIS IS THE SHIT I GET WHN I SPEND 50 EUROS? WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WONT FEEL TO RING THEIR NECKS?
ANYONE WHO HAS SENSE WOULD KNOW GREENHOUSE SEEDS ARE SHIT!
I AM ALMOST SURE I WILL GET THE NEW SEEDS I GOT FROM ADVANCED AND KC BRAINS TO GROW!!!!
I WILL POST THE PICTURES SOON! FUCK GREENHOUSE SEED COMPANY FOREVER MORE!!!!
fuck greenhouse seed co and fuck strain hunters they are a hoax! I purchased KALASHNIKOVA from them and none of the seeds grew, not fucking one and now I feel to ring someone`s neck at greenhouse and I will if those strain bullers ever come to my country again! below is my invoice:
| Product | Quantity | Unit price | Subtotal |
|---|---|---|---|
| Kalashnikova (Feminised)Options: Pack of: 10 Seeds (+18.00) Code: KALAS | 1 | 30.00 | 30.00 |
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YES I HAVE USED THEIR KALASHNIKOVA SEEDS AND THEY ARE THE WORST FUCKING THING I EVER SPENT EUROS ON IN MY LIFE!!!
FOCK GREENHOUSE SEED CO AND FUCK STRAIN BULLERS I WISH THEY WOULD DROP DEAD!
I HATE THEM SO MUCH FOR RIPPING ME OFF!
FUCK GREENHOUSE SEED COMAPNY nd if you like them fuck you to!! i dont give a fuck they ripped me off so how could anyone like that or them fuck them!
FOCK GREENHOUSE SEED CO AND FUCK STRAIN BULLERS I WISH THEY WOULD DROP DEAD!
I HATE THEM SO MUCH FOR RIPPING ME OFF!
FUCK GREENHOUSE SEED COMAPNY nd if you like them fuck you to!! i dont give a fuck they ripped me off so how could anyone like that or them fuck them!
bigv1976
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You just ooze inteligence geek.
Just because a seed germinates doesn't mean its going to be good smoke in the end
I could give a shit less if half the seeds don't germinate if even one of them ends up being killer
I've ordered more than a few10packs of GH seeds before realizing there is much much better and very few worse.
I could give a shit less if half the seeds don't germinate if even one of them ends up being killer
I've ordered more than a few10packs of GH seeds before realizing there is much much better and very few worse.
Cheaper seeds usually means you need more ceeds to find the keeper>
If your going to order GHS I recommend SLH:
The only 10pack of GHS that gave me a keeper (only 6 germed out of 10 though). Flowering times for the 6 were all over the place from 8-12 weeks with the keeper being 10 weeks.
If your going to order GHS I recommend SLH:
The only 10pack of GHS that gave me a keeper (only 6 germed out of 10 though). Flowering times for the 6 were all over the place from 8-12 weeks with the keeper being 10 weeks.
HeartlandHank
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Cheaper seeds often means you bought seeds from the breeder, rather than from a distributor who bought them from the breeder.
Sannies, Beanho, Nirvana... They can charge half as much and make the same profit because there is no middle man.
bigv1976
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I dont think you did your research before posting this. Attitude is within a dollar or two as the breeders own sites on most strains and in most cases they are actually cheaper once you get the 10% discount they offer. I have seen a huge decline in quality of seeds coming from GHS in the last year and I would like to recant all the good opinions I have posted in this thread. I will never buy GHS again. The last 3 packs I have grown have been over rated hemp.
hsfkush
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I've not grown any GHS products myself, but I know people who have. Here is what they had to say about the grow and smoke.
Bubba Kush: Literally as you described, an over rated pack of hemp seeds. It was bushy and grew alright, but had no end product... He flowered for 10 weeks(using a microscope to check trichs @50/50), hung up to dry for a week, then jarred up and burped once a day for 1 week and then burped once a week for the remaining 5 weeks that he cured for.
The smoke was rubbish, We smoked well over a quarter in 1 night and still didn't get high or stoned. We then wrack up some pre-98 Bubba(no idea on breeder) joints the next day, blaze for 2 hours and can't walk... Bit of a difference, eh?
Super Silver Haze: Didn't seem to have an end to the flowering process, so he chopped it after 15 weeks of flower and still had no amber trichs, it was 50/50 in terms of milky and clear trichs. The high was ok, but nothing to really write home about like it's been claimed by GHS.
Strawberry Haze: Meh... That's all I have to contribute in terms of that smoke.
I'm sure they do have some solid genetics somewhere, but my experiences with GHS have been pretty dribble really. I personally wouldn't buy them.
kushhound187
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it depends on your germ method. if you follow mandalas germ guide and grow guide for geenhouse seeds, you will have great results. but, i also got my greenhouse seeds in the city i live in, from a headshop with freshies, as they sell alot of packs. so far, my greenhouse superbuds are dank as hell, covered in chrystal, and have a super complex smell. im breeding them with mandala satori. I think they will produce some lovely offspring.
kushhound187
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One other note. i have heard of germ problems from most major breeders. i usually dont trust the hype unless i hear way more bad than good. i see about 50% satisfaction with gh, so that dosent scare me. but i almost bought some barney, and would have regreted it. i think derry is on crack. utopia haze over slh. yah right. super lemon haze is a excellent smoke, and great to grow inside. ive never heard anything good about barneys. ive never heard anything good about them. one thing i will conceed to about the greenhouse is this. arjan takes himself way to seriously. hes a good breeder, produces some quality shit, and knows how to market his gear. but calling himself the king of cannabis is a disgrace. no one is that, and if there was a king, it would be dj short. hes been around forever, has some of the best known products with proven results. and his grow book is a must have for all. why spend 50 bucks on a 500 page waste of paper when he can make you a expert in a fifth of the pages.arjan talks alot of shit, but his gear is solid. at least as far as ive seen and ive bought as much seeds from him as i have mandala,and as long as you germ like they say in mandalas guide, you should have no problem. remember this, pro botanists and biolagists germ directly in soil. pre germ is risky. its all natural for me, and ive never had a seed not pop. as long s you get your seeds from a reliable distributor, who carries fresh stock you should have no problem, (asuming you know what you are doing and have a room with proper conditions. ive found tho, rockwool cubes, peat, paper towel and soaking to all contribute to problems, not sucsess. if you dont believe me, pop in soil next time. they will grow bigger, faster and healthier. but maybe thats only in my grow room. Btw, im buying more greenhouse afften i crop out. i like their shit. i had zero issues with them,( other than arjan claiming to be the king). but if thats what it takes for him to keep doing what hes doing, i dont give a shit. i havr bigger things to worry about. also, check out the thread on barney tangerine dream its hilarious. the guy decided to make derry look even worse, he either planted some wierd shit that looked kinda like weed to a novice, or he really got the wackest piece of shit ever. its entertaining tho, check it out for a laugh
*moonlight*
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I've grown Great white shark for years and just started some super bud. I've only had 1 GWS hermi. It was grown outside and I think it was because of the heavy hail storms that came through that year. The seeds always had good germination and the plants are always uniform. I can spot a green house seed CO. plant from a mile away because of the stability and how the water leafs are perfectly spaced. Great company and great strains. True strain hunters.
GandalfdaGreen
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Do you have the link for this? Thanks.