Greenwood Massacre aka Tulsa Race Riots - 1921

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Rob Roy said:
Okay. Which ones?

Until then, I'm going with "native americans" are a broad and diverse population with varying habits and beliefs. Some good, some bad, just like most people all over the world.


But, I get your point, many were fucked over by those who used unjust practices to acquire property. Which only furthers my argument that might or a majority doesn't make right.
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Again, please help paint a rough picture of history with the RR society and make sure to go back far enough to include the Native Americans.

And I still want to know, now that we're here, how we transition too RR'land
 
mooray said:
But now that we're here. Tell me how we transition to your tightwad utopia.
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Certainly, sorry I missed this.

We respect the right of others to self determine and we have clearer understandings of what rights are and aren't for a start.

Also, in "my Utopia" you don't have to be a tightwad. Just because I am frugal and an advocate of repurposing things, treading lightly on the land and all that horse shit, doesn't mean you have to be as long as you abide by the things regarding rights mentioned above.
 
mooray said:
Again, please help paint a rough picture of history with the RR society and make sure to go back far enough to include the Native Americans.

And I still want to know, now that we're here, how we transition too RR'land
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Were the Annunaki in North America first or African or Polynesian sea farers ? Can I mention Solutreans too? Phonecians? Atlantians? Indigenous Bigfoot folk? We don't know what we don't know, history is what we've read. Sometimes accurate, sometimes not.

Are the only "Native Americans" Siberian people that crossed the bering sea land bridge? Did they displace anyone ?



To help transition to Rob Roy land, you stop defaulting to the idea that some people can rightfully do things that would be wrong if you or I did them.
 
Rob Roy said:
Certainly, sorry I missed this.

We respect the right of others to self determine and we have clearer understandings of what rights are and aren't for a start.

Also, in "my Utopia" you don't have to be a tightwad. Just because I am frugal and an advocate of repurposing things, treading lightly on the land and all that horse shit, doesn't mean you have to be as long as you abide by the things regarding rights mentioned above.
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Of course you're not alone. Just about every republicans hates the idea of paying for someone else, if that "thing" isn't usable to them. There's zero doubt that there would be a whole lot less money. So....AGAIN....tell me how we transition from gov't "owned" power/water/sewage plants, into being owned by someone else. Who owns it? And again, what happens when people don't let you cross their land anymore and the facility can only get to fifty people?
 
Rob Roy said:
Were the Annunaki in North America first or African or Polynesian sea farers ? Can I mention Solutreans too? Phonecians? Atlantians? Indigenous Bigfoot folk? We don't know what we don't know, history is what we've read. Sometimes accurate, sometimes not.

Are the only "Native Americans" Siberian people that crossed the bering sea land bridge? Did they displace anyone ?



To help transition to Rob Roy land, you stop defaulting to the idea that some people can rightfully do things that would be wrong if you or I did them.
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Your kindergarten level of deflecting doesn't matter for this exercise. Call them "People A". How does it go?

You seriously have had this idea for years and haven't thought it through?? You've got to be kidding me.
 
mooray said:
Did you forget you adderall this morning, Dr. Digression? Just trying to get you to tell me when was the last time someone forced you to do something.
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Adderall? No, but I've been smoking weed all morning and in between jawing with you trying to get some chores done. :eyesmoke:

When I use the word force in the context of what we've been discussing, I mean "under threat of force" for noncompliance. The last time I was under threat of force for noncompliance is right now. You are too. Try selling menthol cigarettes off your front lawn to willing buyers, without overlord permission for example.

As far as force and free will go that was not a component of my assertion and not what I'm claiming.

I'm claiming you are under threat of force, persistently, even if you are being peaceful for failure to comply with some edicts of people you claim are your equals, those who (pffft) "represent you" in government. That shouldn't be and is wrong and is self evidently contradictory.
 
You were just selling menthol cigarettes off your front lawn?? That was sarcastic, btw.

So...you said it's not in your mind and that in your mind, you're always free, yet you're always under duress for something you're not actually doing....are you a tweeker?
 
mooray said:
hates the idea of paying for someone else,
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I hate the idea of forcing others to do things and trying to point to that as "charity".

I don't have the right to chose who you will or will not give charity to. Reciprocably (if that's even a word) I have the right to insist you don't try to make my choices in that regard as well.

Weren't you whining about selfish just a few posts back? What is more selfish than removing a peaceful persons choices?
 
I'm seriously shocked that you have such a strong idea in your mind that you've had for years and you've never sorted it out beyond the basic one liners you always throw out. Zero detail whatsoever.
 
mooray said:
I'm seriously shocked that you have such a strong idea in your mind that you've had for years and you've never sorted it out beyond the basic one liners you always throw out. Zero detail whatsoever.
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Too many menthols no doubt.
 
mooray said:
Your kindergarten level of deflecting doesn't matter for this exercise. Call them "People A". How does it go?

You seriously have had this idea for years and haven't thought it through?? You've got to be kidding me.
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Okay, people A.

What is property and who can own it ? Is a question that is part of this dialogue then.

Did people A own ALL the property in North America ? How?
 
Deflection, again, because you've thought about nothing. I guess I'm just bummed that, in my mind, you went from kooky but passionate mountain pot grower, to a rando with no substance. Was hoping to hear more, but it turns out there is no more beyond the initial-thought-while-on-the-toilet. I've lost interest. Have a good one.
 
mooray said:
Deflection, again, because you've thought about nothing. I guess I'm just bummed that, in my mind, you went from kooky but passionate mountain pot grower, to a rando with no substance. Was hoping to hear more, but it turns out there is no more beyond the initial-thought-while-on-the-toilet. I've lost interest. Have a good one.
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It was the "what is property" question wasn't it ?


I've thought that it's impossible to delegate rights I don't have. Therefore if all people are (should be) equal, no group could have any greater right than any of the individuals within it have. You might consider the math of that while thinking your deep thoughts on the throne.
 
Sorry dude, I can see you have no ideas. If you did, you'd lay out the past hypothetical and the modern day transition, instead of asking questions.

Thanks for the catchphrase tho.
 
mooray said:
Sorry dude, I can see you have no ideas. If you did, you'd lay out the past hypothetical and the modern day transition, instead of asking questions.

Thanks for the catchphrase tho.
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Except if all people are equal then no group of individuals can have more right than any of the individuals in the group, insofar as delegation of those rights. That's not a hypothetical. it's a sound application of logic and basic math.

I didn't catch the catch phrase, not sure what you are referring to.

As far as answering questions, you're not exactly Ann Landers yourself.
 
I'm not the one with the "dohn tred awn me" reformation plans. The onus is on you to explain yourself.

Duh.
 
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