Ground up bud

vtr90 said:

I did flush for around 7 days. They didn't get any nitrogen from week 7 though, just pk and booster up until week 9, as I read they don't need any nitrogen late in flower and wasn't necessary is that right? This is when I started flushing with pure RO water for a week until chopping it down

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Imo what you want is a proper fade: leaves turning yellow/purplish/blackish. That way you know you got the chloropyll out of the plant and they will cure and taste better. To me you could have easily waited another week or so.
With coco, dialed in enviroment and good intensity you can almost go crazy on nute strength up to the last 3 weeks. But you need to have your ec runoff controlled; cant go too high, we usually try to keep under 3, and then when you get closer to flush/finishing time you need it quite a bit lower for your flush actually to work. You can flush for the last 2 weeks if you want bit if that doesnt bring ec down to cannibalizing levels, then youve not made a successful flush. Its not by scedule, its by EC out so you cant build up too much as youre getting closer to flush. And then when you get ec down low, you just watch the leaves change. Does this make sense? Not always the best at explaining

I was tracking the run off ec all thru flower (had bad salt build up in previous grows so learnt my lesson there) and it was always within .2 of the feed going in. If I remember rightly the run off was down to .4ec a day or two before cutting down from around 2ec a week or two before

I've got another purple punch waiting on the sidelines, I'll be more patient with this one

All info being taken on board tho cheers

vtr90 said:

I was tracking the run off ec all thru flower (had bad salt build up in previous grows so learnt my lesson there) and it was always within .2 of the feed going in. If I remember rightly the run off was down to .4ec a day or two before cutting down from around 2ec a week or two before

I've got another purple punch waiting on the sidelines, I'll be more patient with this one

All info being taken on board tho cheers

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When you reach that low you still need to wait until the leaves change, this means that the plant is auto cannibalizing and is about to finish.
Purple punch is a nice one try to see if you can add some uv, even if its just some AliExpress diodes. Id rec arding 400 and 365nm in a 2:1 proportion. Its easy to learn how to solder up.

Trichomes are an Indicator, not the indicator of a ripe plant. I've all but stopped checking them, say for the last few days when I'm anxious.

I wouldn't bother with UV yet. You will not solve this problem by spending more money. And if you do get UV, make sure you're using the right spectrum, with appropriate PPE. Regular LED lights can damage your eyes, trust me, I'm living with spots in my vision from it, UV ( B or C?) can damage your skin and cause cancer, and do even more harm to your eyes.

Tolerance Break said:

Trichomes are an Indicator, not the indicator of a ripe plant. I've all but stopped checking them, say for the last few days when I'm anxious.

I wouldn't bother with UV yet. You will not solve this problem by spending more money. And if you do get UV, make sure you're using the right spectrum, with appropriate PPE. Regular LED lights can damage your eyes, trust me, I'm living with spots in my vision from it, UV ( B or C?) can damage your skin and cause cancer, and do even more harm to your eyes.

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That is true, but 400nm, which ive used with success is not harmfull. Its on the border of the par region so still photosynthetic. It will help with final ripening and it greatly increases taste/smell. Uvb should only be added with care, and uvc does not belong anywhere near your grow; its damaging to both skin and eyes and only used as disinfection. Near uv can be had for about a $ per diode; bang for buck investment its about the best of all led investments. I recommend it from my own experience.

Really sorry to hear about your eyes. I do not wish to discount from your experience, just adding mine. I usually wear a baseball cap when dealing with intense leds overhead, and keep from looking at the light. But also all our leds run around half power to what you usually see in commercial lights. Ymmv

Rocket Soul said:

That is true, but 400nm, which ive used with success is not harmfull. Its on the border of the par region so still photosynthetic. It will help with final ripening and it greatly increases taste/smell. Uvb should only be added with care, and uvc does not belong anywhere near your grow; its damaging to both skin and eyes and only used as disinfection. Near uv can be had for about a $ per diode; bang for buck investment its about the best of all led investments. I recommend it from my own experience.

Really sorry to hear about your eyes. I do not wish to discount from your experience, just adding mine. I usually wear a baseball cap when dealing with intense leds overhead, and keep from looking at the light. But also all our leds run around half power to what you usually see in commercial lights. Ymmv

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His plants are being harvested early, UV won't fix that. Solve for variables before adding more, that's all I'm saying.

Tolerance Break said:

His plants are being harvested early, UV won't fix that. Solve for variables before adding more, that's all I'm saying.

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Youre right in that, but uv will make the plant mature faster. These are trichomes from 7, 7.5 weeks in our grow:

The amber is already too much but this is fairly hardcore uv supplement going down to 365nm.

It's something I can and probably will look into later on in my growing career but one step at a time I'm still learning, slowly but surely

Edit: that bud does look tastey btw

Rocket Soul said:

Youre right in that, but uv will make the plant mature faster. These are trichomes from 7, 7.5 weeks in our grow:
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The amber is already too much but this is fairly hardcore uv supplement going down to 365nm.

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I need evidence to support that. I have no idea what your genetics or grow style is.

I'm not disputing you, please don't take this as condescending. Im familiar with the emmerson effect, but I need evidence to support anecdotes.

Tolerance Break said:

I need evidence to support that. I have no idea what your genetics or grow style is.

I'm not disputing you, please don't take this as condescending. Im familiar with the emmerson effect, but I need evidence to support anecdotes.

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Emmerson effect is on the other side of things, 680+730nm but its not really about maturity, its about added photosynthesis. Lots of confusion in that since the 730 also seems to have some effect on maturity but thats another thing.

All i can do is to share results. Uv being a ripening agent is pretty well accepted but i havent got any handy papers. Im a try it for yourself kinda guy and i found some results in happy with, just sharing. Its a small investment today since uv diodes have progressed tremendously in the last few years.

10 weeks, MINIMUM, before even looking at the trichomes. Pistils must be fully receded and calyxes must be fat. That last week or two of ripening is almost impossible to bear, but don't harvest early no matter how much you are tempted.

You MUST create a dark drying room that can maintain 60%RH and 60F both day and night. You must also include just the slightest amount of air movement in the drying area....hardly anything -small fan on low pointed down at the floor, for example. And you must extend the drying period to a minimum of 2 weeks.

Wait until the weed is dry, trim it and put it into Mason jars....burping the jars until you get a RH of ~58%. After that, get some 1 ounce size Grove bags and a heat sealer. Take the jar-cured bud and transfer it into the Grove bags and heat seal them. Place them in a cool, dark place for several months.

tstick said:

10 weeks, MINIMUM, before even looking at the trichomes. Pistils must be fully receded and calyxes must be fat. That last week or two of ripening is almost impossible to bear, but don't harvest early no matter how much you are tempted.

You MUST create a dark drying room that can maintain 60%RH and 60F both day and night. You must also include just the slightest amount of air movement in the drying area....hardly anything -small fan on low pointed down at the floor, for example. And you must extend the drying period to a minimum of 2 weeks.

Wait until the weed is dry, trim it and put it into Mason jars....burping the jars until you get a RH of ~58%. After that, get some 1 ounce size Grove bags and a heat sealer. Take the jar-cured bud and transfer it into the Grove bags and heat seal them. Place them in a cool, dark place for several months.

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2 weeks is very depending. But if you dont dry trim, and keep the buds on branches or even on the full cut plant its about right. This would all the best practice if you can do so. Any hurrying of drying is a quality loser.

tstick said:

10 weeks, MINIMUM, before even looking at the trichomes. Pistils must be fully receded and calyxes must be fat. That last week or two of ripening is almost impossible to bear, but don't harvest early no matter how much you are tempted.

You MUST create a dark drying room that can maintain 60%RH and 60F both day and night. You must also include just the slightest amount of air movement in the drying area....hardly anything -small fan on low pointed down at the floor, for example. And you must extend the drying period to a minimum of 2 weeks.

Wait until the weed is dry, trim it and put it into Mason jars....burping the jars until you get a RH of ~58%. After that, get some 1 ounce size Grove bags and a heat sealer. Take the jar-cured bud and transfer it into the Grove bags and heat seal them. Place them in a cool, dark place for several months.

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you make it sound so easy my main problem is overthinking and worrying about ruining it (more ways than one eh? ) I'll hold off on the next one for longer

Glad I came on here now, cheers people

Rocket Soul said:

2 weeks is very depending. But if you dont dry trim, and keep the buds on branches or even on the full cut plant its about right. This would all the best practice if you can do so. Any hurrying of drying is a quality loser.

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I always hang whole plants when possible less hassle for me that way but don't think I've ever gone past 8 or 9 days drying like that. Maybe this is where I'm tripping up every time, by the sounds of it I'd say so

vtr90 said:

I always hang whole plants when possible less hassle for me that way but don't think I've ever gone past 8 or 9 days drying like that. Maybe this is where I'm tripping up every time, by the sounds of it I'd say so

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Reading back on that reply, im not so clear. Drying full plant is desirable, it goes slower and dry trim preserves terps better. If you cant keep up with ideal conditions then dry may be a bit faster but less quality inducing. Sorry if unclear before