Growing from regular seeds

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Danny88

Danny88

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So I've got 10 granddaddy purple seeds hoping to get them going soon would like to know what people think will be the best way to sex them

  • Method 1 - Just wait for pre-flowers
  • Method 2 - Take cuttings and flower them then throw away when found out sex and clone again to preserve genetics
  • Method 3 - Take cuttings and flower the plants from seed to find out sex
 
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Budget Buds

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What ever way is best for you, there is more then one way to skin a cat. I personally would take cuttings and force them to show sex. There is no need to wait for roots , A cup of water is sufficient for what your doing. Cut them, place in water and put under a 12/12 .
 
breakdancer0003

breakdancer0003

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I have always liked method 3 that you mentioned if you have the space and lighting for a flower and veg room.

It gives you a good harvest right off the bat and as they flower you are already vegging potential moms. after the full flower dry and cure you can then flower out the females of the genetics you don't want to keep giving you another decent sized harvest with that veg time from the previous flower cycle.

With that second flower cycle you would have ready to go moms that would have vegged for 2 full flower cycles and a 2nd harvest of the less desirable females

Then you can either flower out the monsters after taking cutting to have a huge 3rd harvest or if you have the space keep them as big moms.

If you don't have the space for moms of that size flower every female out from round 2 but only take clones from the female you want to turn into your mom would be my long winded explanation.


Downside to this method is wasting of materials, space, and energy on potential males but realistically those costs should be negligible if your harvests go well.

Also if you grow in a SCROG set up i would definitely sex them before or you are gonna have a bad time.
 
Danny88

Danny88

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breakdancer0003 said:
I have always liked method 3 that you mentioned if you have the space and lighting for a flower and veg room.

It gives you a good harvest right off the bat and as they flower you are already vegging potential moms. after the full flower dry and cure you can then flower out the females of the genetics you don't want to keep giving you another decent sized harvest with that veg time from the previous flower cycle.

With that second flower cycle you would have ready to go moms that would have vegged for 2 full flower cycles and a 2nd harvest of the less desirable females

Then you can either flower out the monsters after taking cutting to have a huge 3rd harvest or if you have the space keep them as big moms.

If you don't have the space for moms of that size flower every female out from round 2 but only take clones from the female you want to turn into your mom would be my long winded explanation.


Downside to this method is wasting of materials, space, and energy on potential males but realistically those costs should be negligible if your harvests go well.

Also if you grow in a SCROG set up i would definitely sex them before or you are gonna have a bad time.
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Maybe method 2 will be better for me then I have a 1.2m tent for flower and a cupboard I can use for vegging it is quite smaller though not exactly sure on the size guess I would have to keep trimming them back with that amount of veg time. Also was that a South Park referance then lol
 
Danny88

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Budget Buds said:
What ever way is best for you, there is more then one way to skin a cat. I personally would take cuttings and force them to show sex. There is no need to wait for roots , A cup of water is sufficient for what your doing. Cut them, place in water and put under a 12/12 .
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Well I wil be buying an aero cloner so guess I could use that will a t5 light be enough to flower the clones
 
Danny88

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Well after what people have said I now believe method 3 is the best but method 2 will probably suit me better might see If I can get another light and maybe use 2 cupboards I'm growing it at a friends house so will have to see if we can use any more space thanks everyone for your input
 
GroErr

GroErr

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Good discussion, I typically use option 1. At times method 2. Reason is that by the time the plants are large enough to take a couple of clones they're pretty well ready to show sex and 95% of strains I'll sex in a 1gal pot which is not a lot of work or waste (party cup>1gal pot). I have dedicated veg space so space is not an issue for me. In this case method 1. seems to me is the most efficient

I will force sex sometimes if they're taking too long (have one cross I'm working which fits into this category, takes forever to sex) but it's rare. In that case I'll use method 2.

I don't get method 3. How do you take a cutting from a seedling that hasn't even developed yet. You can take it later once it starts flowering, but now you have a flowering clone which will take a few weeks to revert back to veg before it starts growing at a decent rate again. Not seeing the benefit here since flowering clones take at least 2-3 weeks to revert to veg. May as well have waited the 2-3 weeks to sex them up front (1.). Am I not getting something? Not being a ass, I just don't see the benefit here, what am I missing?
 
Danny88

Danny88

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GroErr said:
Good discussion, I typically use option 1. At times method 2. Reason is that by the time the plants are large enough to take a couple of clones they're pretty well ready to show sex and 95% of strains I'll sex in a 1gal pot which is not a lot of work or waste (party cup>1gal pot). I have dedicated veg space so space is not an issue for me. In this case method 1. seems to me is the most efficient

I will force sex sometimes if they're taking too long (have one cross I'm working which fits into this category, takes forever to sex) but it's rare. In that case I'll use method 2.

I don't get method 3. How do you take a cutting from a seedling that hasn't even developed yet. You can take it later once it starts flowering, but now you have a flowering clone which will take a few weeks to revert back to veg before it starts growing at a decent rate again. Not seeing the benefit here since flowering clones take at least 2-3 weeks to revert to veg. May as well have waited the 2-3 weeks to sex them up front (1.). Am I not getting something? Not being a ass, I just don't see the benefit here, what am I missing?
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Yes I see what you mean with method 3 I have never done it always had fem seeds but a few people have said to do it this way maybe I'm just best waiting to see how long it takes for pre-flowers if they take to long then use method 2 could I take clones before they have matured if the clones are going to be thrown or will it stress the plant too much
 
breakdancer0003

breakdancer0003

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From how it was worded I understand the confusion, How i determined the meaning to be was

-You grow them out till you can take cuttings

-Flower the plants you just took cuttings from and veg the cuttings while the original plants from seeds flower out killing the known male cuttings and original seed pants.

-Then when you have the finished product you will also have a bunch of vegged out plants with known final product so you can make educated decisions on mom selection and you can flower right away

but from Danny's response i think i misinterpreted the meaning. so my original recommendation needs some fine tuning also you know that was a southpark reference :bigjoint:
 
Danny88

Danny88

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GroErr said:
Good discussion, I typically use option 1. At times method 2. Reason is that by the time the plants are large enough to take a couple of clones they're pretty well ready to show sex and 95% of strains I'll sex in a 1gal pot which is not a lot of work or waste (party cup>1gal pot). I have dedicated veg space so space is not an issue for me. In this case method 1. seems to me is the most efficient

I will force sex sometimes if they're taking too long (have one cross I'm working which fits into this category, takes forever to sex) but it's rare. In that case I'll use method 2.

I don't get method 3. How do you take a cutting from a seedling that hasn't even developed yet. You can take it later once it starts flowering, but now you have a flowering clone which will take a few weeks to revert back to veg before it starts growing at a decent rate again. Not seeing the benefit here since flowering clones take at least 2-3 weeks to revert to veg. May as well have waited the 2-3 weeks to sex them up front (1.). Am I not getting something? Not being a ass, I just don't see the benefit here, what am I missing?
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Also I'm going to have to pot them all up if I go with method 3 coz once there in flower you can't do it right that's just wasting more space and resorces where with method 2 soon as I find the males I can throw them out and pot up the females veg a bit longer then flower
 
Danny88

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breakdancer0003 said:
From how it was worded I understand the confusion, How i determined the meaning to be was

-You grow them out till you can take cuttings

-Flower the plants you just took cuttings from and veg the cuttings while the original plants from seeds flower out killing the known male cuttings and original seed pants.

-Then when you have the finished product you will also have a bunch of vegged out plants with known final product so you can make educated decisions on mom selection and you can flower right away

but from Danny's response i think i misinterpreted the meaning. so my original recommendation needs some fine tuning also you know that was a southpark reference :bigjoint:
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So can a plant be mature enough to take cuttings without showing sex coz I guess that will determine the path you take
 
breakdancer0003

breakdancer0003

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This is One of my buddies prized Lemon G plants in a 20 gallon pot ( grown from clone not seed since its clone only ) She was vegged for a few months and showed no signs of sex because it was given the veg light cycle how ever we also didn't look for pre flowers since she was from clone. are you going straight to 12 12 ?

This is about how big your moms would be if you vegged while the other 2 flower cycles went on as i described above. but you need a lot of food, water, light, space, and pot to make this a reality.


 
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Danny88

Danny88

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No was going to start at 20/4 then 18/6 I don't think I will have room to do it that way will have to see if I can have 2 small veg rooms
 
breakdancer0003

breakdancer0003

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I hear ya, they can definitely take allot, but with as much time effort and money that put into each of my monster girls i just don't tempt the fates when it comes to summoning the banana lords of destruction. It's one thing to Hermie a plant with a month invested in her but when i veg for 3-6 months, and i start the 12 12 the kid gloves get put on untill the smoke is dried cured and ready to go.
 
theslipperbandit

theslipperbandit

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Man some ppl lollypop during the first 2 weeks of flowering lol taking a few clones off won't cause any problems but she's ur plant bud lol
 
ryan1918

ryan1918

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They rarely show sex until into flower and good luck because I've had no luck with this strain growing it a few times always got males
 
W@lkingE@gle

W@lkingE@gle

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I know this is an old thread but for educational purposes nugbuckets has a different method for sexing seedlings from seeds in his 'mainling' thread. I believe once the seedlings are 3 nodes tall he flips to flowering for the week or two it takes to show preflowers. Once sex has shown he tops the seedling at the third node removing the preflowers, and changes the light cycle back to the veg times. Since preflowers will first form on the top of the plant topping gets rid of the flower parts. Keep in mind he determines sex as soon as the smallest sex parts show and this method only works if you plan to top your plant.
 
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